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Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

Eldre

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Eldre » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:23:30

Of course, there are some(including myself) who are upset that Mika wasn't
given the advantage of a red flag to get in the backup car... :(
Granted, I agree the flag should have been thrown today.  But, it should also
have been thrown earlier this season...

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Steve Levet

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Steve Levet » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:55:22

Why should it have been thrown? They would have had about 5 minutes before
the field would come round again behind the pace car. That would leave
plently of time to sweep the track. It was only red flagged to let
Schumacher restart again.

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redTe

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by redTe » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:58:25


Don't talk shit. They had already completed another lap and every car was
trying desperately to avoid the debris.
What's your next *** theory ? Montoya was deliberately held up on his
own pit stop so that Ralf could get past and win ? Give it a rest.

Ed Solhei

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Ed Solhei » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:27:33

redTed wrote

You noticed that too ???
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Steve Levet

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Steve Levet » Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:30:22

Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has already
gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to do the
"most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying Villeneuve talks
shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win the
championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

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> > Why should it have been thrown? They would have had about 5 minutes
before
> > the field would come round again behind the pace car. That would leave
> > plently of time to sweep the track. It was only red flagged to let
> > Schumacher restart again.

> > --
> Don't talk shit. They had already completed another lap and every car was
> trying desperately to avoid the debris.
> What's your next *** theory ? Montoya was deliberately held up on
his
> own pit stop so that Ralf could get past and win ? Give it a rest.

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Nick

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Nick » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:46:01

um, didn't you see the race? there was debris all over the track - ultra
sharp carbon fibre. if the marshalls had tried to clear it they would have
had to be appearing on track for at least the first five laps, sweeping it
all off. That is too dangerous. Charlie Whiting had a choice, did he think
the race could continue. He said yes, but as he saw how much the cars were
trying to avoid debris, he decided it wasn't worth the risk and stopped the
race. This gives the teams time to inspect the tyres for the 20min time
between restarts, and check over the cars.

Any why do you hate Michael? He is without doubt the most naturally gifted
grand prix driver out there. Damon Hill didn't have it, Mika Hakkinen
DEFINATELY doesn't have it, but he does. Montoya does. Ralf doesn't.
Coulthard doesn't. Barrichello doesn't. Anybody who saw him in testing at
Maranello back in '98 will justify that. Lap after lap going as sideways as
possible. The shots are amazing.

Don't be such a fool. I bet you think the first corner incident at
Silverstone was Trulli's fault don't you? Despite the video evidence -
especially from Coulthards roll bar camera, which shows Trulli was actually
in front (by a few inches) of DC going into Copse, but as DC moved over, he
braked, and that is why he was behind DC AT THE POINT OF IMPACT.

Please don't try to look knowledgable, when all you are trying to do is take
the***out of the King of F1.

Michael Heymann

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Michael Heymann » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:49:44

Oh yes and after Michael rolled out with his Ferrari why haven't they
disqualified the rest of the field to let Michael win?
I'm not a fan of Schumi, but I can't hear it anymore... those theories and
discussions about Schumacher. He is a great race driver - that's a fact. You
don't have to like him and you don't have to support him, but you can't
change that fact.
I kept my fingers crossed for Montoya, but unfortunatly he has to wait for
his first win.

BTW, the man from Michelin has said after the accident that ALL teams should
change their tires, because otherwise you may have problems with the stuff
they had picked up by driving through the debris.
I think it's not a funny thing to loose one of you tires at 350km/h, isn't
it? So I personally think that the decision was correct to clean the track,
maybe it would have been even better to stop the field BEFORE they came to
that part of the track.

Remember last year? Michael has said that he had expected the red flag after
his crash with Fisico, but only the safety car came out and Schumacher was
out of the race. Why haven't they done the same last year?

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> Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
already
> gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to do the
> "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying Villeneuve
talks
> shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win the
> championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------




> > > Why should it have been thrown? They would have had about 5 minutes
> before
> > > the field would come round again behind the pace car. That would leave
> > > plently of time to sweep the track. It was only red flagged to let
> > > Schumacher restart again.

> > > --
> > Don't talk shit. They had already completed another lap and every car
was
> > trying desperately to avoid the debris.
> > What's your next *** theory ? Montoya was deliberately held up on
> his
> > own pit stop so that Ralf could get past and win ? Give it a rest.

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redTe

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by redTe » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:01:33


Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got near a
***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

Steve Levet

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Steve Levet » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:09:13

So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
champion?

Steve Levett




> > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
> already
> > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to do
the
> > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying Villeneuve
> talks
> > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win the
> > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got near a
> ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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Steve Levet

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Steve Levet » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:15:54

No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver but he is a
cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am not a fan of
any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people here seem
to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone so I'm not
gonna do it again.

JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was surprised it was
stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in here.

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Michael Heymann

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Michael Heymann » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:23:23

Double World Champion???  Jacques was champion only in 1997 or did I miss
something?

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> So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> champion?

> Steve Levett





> > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
> > already
> > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to do
> the
> > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying Villeneuve
> > talks
> > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win the
> > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got near
a
> > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Michael Heymann » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:25:32

Just remember that you have a different view on the track from inside the
***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red flag was
the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a big
supporter of Schumacher.

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> No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver but he is
a
> cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am not a fan
of
> any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people here seem
> to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone so I'm not
> gonna do it again.

> JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was surprised it was
> stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in here.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------


> > um, didn't you see the race? there was debris all over the track - ultra
> > sharp carbon fibre. if the marshalls had tried to clear it they would
have
> > had to be appearing on track for at least the first five laps, sweeping
it
> > all off. That is too dangerous. Charlie Whiting had a choice, did he
think
> > the race could continue. He said yes, but as he saw how much the cars
were
> > trying to avoid debris, he decided it wasn't worth the risk and stopped
> the
> > race. This gives the teams time to inspect the tyres for the 20min time
> > between restarts, and check over the cars.

> > Any why do you hate Michael? He is without doubt the most naturally
gifted
> > grand prix driver out there. Damon Hill didn't have it, Mika Hakkinen
> > DEFINATELY doesn't have it, but he does. Montoya does. Ralf doesn't.
> > Coulthard doesn't. Barrichello doesn't. Anybody who saw him in testing
at
> > Maranello back in '98 will justify that. Lap after lap going as sideways
> as
> > possible. The shots are amazing.

> > Don't be such a fool. I bet you think the first corner incident at
> > Silverstone was Trulli's fault don't you? Despite the video evidence -
> > especially from Coulthards roll bar camera, which shows Trulli was
> actually
> > in front (by a few inches) of DC going into Copse, but as DC moved over,
> he
> > braked, and that is why he was behind DC AT THE POINT OF IMPACT.

> > Please don't try to look knowledgable, when all you are trying to do is
> take
> > the***out of the King of F1.

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Ian

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Ian » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:31:06

Who's the double world champion ?

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> So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> champion?

> Steve Levett





> > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
> > already
> > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to do
> the
> > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying Villeneuve
> > talks
> > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win the
> > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got near
a
> > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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Ian

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Ian » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:34:43

Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's (Schumacher's
main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the right
decision.

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> Just remember that you have a different view on the track from inside the
>***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red flag
was
> the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a big
> supporter of Schumacher.

> --
> Have several nice days !!!

> Michael Heymanns
> Team-Manager SRG

> IWSC Champion 2000
> IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 1999
> TPTCC Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 2001

> www.srg-group.de
> www.teamsrg.de
> www.tptcc.de

> 1&1 Profiseller
> www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791


> > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver but he
is
> a
> > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am not a fan
> of
> > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people here
seem
> > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone so I'm
not
> > gonna do it again.

> > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was surprised it was
> > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in here.

> > --

> > Steve Levett

Joachim Trens

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:31:45

Hi Steve,

if names mean anything, Gerhard Berger, Niki Lauda and Christian Danner all
said that it was the right decision to stop the race. Norbert Haug said
something to the effect that it was an acceptable decision.

The reasoning was always that this much debris on a hi-speed track like
Hockenheim could have lead to devastating accidents.

The track BTW wasn't cleaned manually, they sent out two road-cleaner trucks
to get it cleaned up in time for the restart.

Achim


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