| Not at all... Are you somehow offended that I asked a question you don't
| have an answer for, or are you just building the suspense? :-))
| --
| Cheers!
| Graeme Nash
| >Are you somehow offended that I don't watch college football, or that
it's
| >called "football"?
|
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> > > With F1, like rallying, for me, the attraction is the
> > > machines being driven at the limit.
> > Hmmmm... then how come you call stock cars (NASCAR) being driven at the
> > limit boring?
> The cars are like boats with wheels, and the limit is reached on the same
> two turns lap after lap. I fired up the N4 demo the other day and couldn't
> keep awake after 15 laps.
:)
Olav
Agreed, at Hockenheim qual DC was faster than RB. MH was also faster
than MS, looked like McLaren had the car sorted for qualifying.
But the race saw the McLarens go backwards pretty quickly, so we saw
Ferrari with the overall better car.
I think the Constructor's Championship is the best indicator...
Rafe Mc
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:53:24 +0200, "Mario Petrinovic"
>> Indeed, but as far as "the best car" goes...
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:23:38 +0200, "Mario Petrinovic"
>> > Reliability, power, handling, aero,drivers.
>> >> In agreement with you there Steve, overall it's the best package.
>> >> Reliability, power, handling, aero.
>> >> Rafe Mc
>> >> >Ferarri has a much better overal car then Williams, it's just that the
>> >BMW
>> >> >has lots of power and that shows at Hockenheim and perhaps Monza but
>at
>> >> >other track the Ferarri is far superior. I doubt anyone else here
>would
>> >> >agree with your statement there.
>> There's only one way to even MS with rest of the pack. And
>>that is to give him much slower car.
>How about the BRM?<g>
>Eldred
You misread people on purpose, don't you? -I said it's clearer rally drivers
do things with cars which are beyond the reach of nearly everyone because it
*is* clearer. Watching them on TV you can see them sliding going down
narrow, tree-lined dirt roads at incredible speeds. You can see the knocks
both the cars and the driver takes from the rough surface. You can see them
flirting with rock faces and sheer drops on the asphalt rallies.
All of this happens in F1 too (minus the trees, the potholes, the rockfaces
and the ravines ;-)), of course, but it isn't as noticable.
Having driven a Group A prepared Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4, I can assure you
it's nothing like your average road car. That said, if you're used to
driving a stick shift you might get it going within 10 attemps. Took me 3
tries just to drive off the first time.
Oh well, there's no arguing against prejudice.
Jan.
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quote yourself, I never said that CART was shite due to steel brakes or an
influx of inexperienced drivers.
Which is what you were saying.
I said what I saw.
Quote:
"Knocking CART because they use steel brakes or because the series is
currently suffering more accidents than usual due to a large percentage of
inexperienced drivers (I certainly never thought I'd be forced into
thinking
about Paul Tracy as a stalwart rather than a loose cannon) is more than a
little short sighted, IMO."
You assume too much. You inferred reasons behind my comments that were not
there (see use of "because")
steel brakes? who the hell mentioned steel chuffing brakes?
I can easily turn the other half of the comment around- it's shortsighted to
write F1 off as a procession due to the current inequality in team budgets
and capability.
I didn't say it doesn't take skill and determination to drive a Winston Cup
car, as you can see (well maybe not you, but people who can read properly)
the above quote says nothing about the skill of the drivers. In fact the
drivers are not mentioned at all:
quote:
"As for NASCAR, if you cannot appreciate the level
of skill and courage required to do what these drivers do, you just don't
understand the problem."
what problem? Where did I (in your convenient quotation) even mention
anything derogatory about the drivers of the cars?
thanks a lot for putting words in my mouth to suit your own (shallow)
argument.
It's always been like that with F1, don't let anybody's rose tinted glasses
fool you.
two x five drivers fighting for the championship is more than enough. there
will always be teams that are "waxing" or "waning" in terms of success.
Crist, I remember being fed up with the constant success of an almost
untouchable Bennetton team.
Motorbikes, as a mode of transport, or a style statement do nothing for me
whatsover. I enjoy watching the racing, as it is close, and not due to
manufactured reasons. I've mentioned that with F1 just to watch the
machines be driven is entertainment for me, qualifying is the highlight of
my saturdays. Watching the events unfold on a sunday is rivetting- not in a
wheel to wheel, five across the line at the end (ala SBikes etc), sense, but
in the broader picture of strategy, reliability, tactics etc.
It's obvious to me every time I watch an F1 race, every corner taken at
speed. Sometimes it's almost like someone hit the fast forward on the
footage, but it's real time driver reactions.
It doesn't look like "the limit", it looks like a *very fast* cruise (again
I speak of superspeedways in general, and the daytona 400 in particular).
Also the machines themselves hold no interest to me, aesthetically, or
engineering wise.
cheers
John
Coming from a country where land barges with autoboxes are not the norm, I
have to say that the above statement does make me chuckle.
John
You are all nuts.
Driving at 230mph with your wheels 1/4 inch from somebody else driving at
230mph around corners for 5/6 laps a time is pretty f***ing amazing, if you
ask me. Espec. as they are absolutely at the limit, and a slight problem,
such as sneezing in turn 2, will result in a complete totalling of both your
car and most of the rest of the field.
rallying is the most difficult motor sport known to man, and potentially the
most dangerous.
if you don't like them, why are you in a newsgroup called
RECREATION.AUTOMOBILES???
So shut up, or get out.
Nick.
There, that wasn't too hard, was it? :-)
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Cheers!
Graeme Nash
>Schuey may be in one of the best sorted and reliable cars out there
>(although the FW23 seems quicker), but you can't honestly be
>suggesting he wouldn't be competitive, even in a Jordan?
>I can't help of think of Moss dominating at Monaco in a car 30 bhp
>down on everyone else...
Eldred
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> You all are saying that rallying, CART, NASCAR, F1 etc are boring.
> You are all nuts.
> Driving at 230mph with your wheels 1/4 inch from somebody else driving at
> 230mph around corners for 5/6 laps a time is pretty f***ing amazing, if you
> ask me. Espec. as they are absolutely at the limit, and a slight problem,
> such as sneezing in turn 2, will result in a complete totalling of both your
> car and most of the rest of the field.
> rallying is the most difficult motor sport known to man, and potentially the
> most dangerous.
> if you don't like them, why are you in a newsgroup called
> RECREATION.AUTOMOBILES???
> So shut up, or get out.
> Nick.
I find F1 a little boring, at times, to watch and I have a right to
express that opinion on the subject.
So there you go, I didn't 'shut up' and I'm not going to 'get out'....
AND there's not really very much you can do about it!
Condescendingly yours!
Gerry Aitken
PS: So shut up, or get out!!
Or is that too hard for you? :-p
David G Fisher
P.S.: I love this tread . Adds r.a.s. the thing every simulation is
lacking. Life.
> P.S.: I love this tread . Adds r.a.s. the thing every simulation is
>lacking. Life.
Eldred
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>You are all nuts.
>Driving at 230mph with your wheels 1/4 inch from somebody else driving at
>230mph around corners for 5/6 laps a time is pretty f***ing amazing, if you
>ask me. Espec. as they are absolutely at the limit, and a slight problem,
>such as sneezing in turn 2, will result in a complete totalling of both your
>car and most of the rest of the field.
>rallying is the most difficult motor sport known to man, and potentially the
>most dangerous.
>if you don't like them, why are you in a newsgroup called
>RECREATION.AUTOMOBILES???
>So shut up, or get out.
>Nick.
Eldred
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