There were a decent handful of cars that I noticed sat on the grid getting
wheels (tyres) changed also. Yet more evidence that the cautious approach
due to the risk of carbon fibre in the tyres was the correct approach.
John
There were a decent handful of cars that I noticed sat on the grid getting
wheels (tyres) changed also. Yet more evidence that the cautious approach
due to the risk of carbon fibre in the tyres was the correct approach.
John
Actually I think they were under yellows then, so overtaking was banned, and
Juan Pablo in front was dictating the maximum speed of the entire pack.
> > 2) Nigel Mansell was nothing before and after Williams
> Oh dear!... I see we didn't use all of Mr Brain while compiling our
> list, did you!
> Gerry
a) without Williams :
1980 > F2 12th
1981-84 NM is in Lotus-Ford, teammate to Elio de Angelis
1981>Nigel Mansell 14th 8 points
Elio de Angelis 8th 14 points
1982>Nigel Mansell 14th 7 points
Elio de Angelis 9th 23 points
1983>Nigel Mansell 12-13th 10 points
Elio de Angelis 8th 15 points
1984>Lotus gets Renault engine and Elio de Angelis is much
faster, but not NM
Nigel Mansell 9-10th 13 points
Elio de Angelis 3rd 34 points
1989>Ferrari
Nigel Mansell 4th 38 points
Gerhard Berger 7th 21 points
1990>Ferrari
Nigel Mansell 5th 37 points
Alain Prost 2nd 73 points
I don't see world champion here. But look further
b) with Williams :
1985-87 Honda engine ( from end of 85 that was the
most powerfull combination )
1985>Nigel Mansell 6th 31 points
Keke Rosberg 3rd 40 points
1986>Frank Williams wonts English champion but NM
didn't succeed
Nigel Mansell 2nd 72 points
Nelson Piquet 3rd 69 points
1987>Frank Williams alows NP more freedom this time
Nigel Mansell 2nd 61 points
Nelson Piquet Champ 76 points
(his only championship in a superior car-of 3 )
1988>Williams lost Honda engine and gets Judd
Nigel Mansell 9-10th 12 points
Riccardo Patrese 11th 8 points
1991-92 Frank Williams had another go with NM
1991>Williams-Renault
Nigel Mansell 2nd 72 points
Riccardo Patrese 3rd 53 points
1992>Williams-Renault
Nigel Mansell Champ 108 points
Riccardo Patrese 2nd 56 points
What a diferent picture. In 6 years 3 times 2nd and one
championship.
c) after Williams - NM disappears from F1
> What's funny? Everything I said is true.
> We don't have a large population? 270 million.
> We don't have a mix of different types of athletes? Ever heard of America
> being called a "melting pot"?
> Our athletes don't receive the highest level of training? Does Denmark train
> their athletes better than thye do in the U.S.?
Man, those black helicopters are annoying, aren't they? ;)
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> And one more thing: I think the whole world-championship is a total desaster
> after Eddie Jordan has fired HHF - my favourite driver. No, I do not say
> that he is the best driver, he is just the driver I like the most.
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> > > 2) Nigel Mansell was nothing before and after Williams
> > Oh dear!... I see we didn't use all of Mr Brain while compiling our
> > list, did you!
> > Gerry
> Example 1: Nigel Mansell
> a) without Williams :
> 1980 > F2 12th
> 1981-84 NM is in Lotus-Ford, teammate to Elio de Angelis
> 1981>Nigel Mansell 14th 8 points
> Elio de Angelis 8th 14 points
> 1982>Nigel Mansell 14th 7 points
> Elio de Angelis 9th 23 points
> 1983>Nigel Mansell 12-13th 10 points
> Elio de Angelis 8th 15 points
> 1984>Lotus gets Renault engine and Elio de Angelis is much
> faster, but not NM
> Nigel Mansell 9-10th 13 points
> Elio de Angelis 3rd 34 points
> 1989>Ferrari
> Nigel Mansell 4th 38 points
> Gerhard Berger 7th 21 points
> 1990>Ferrari
> Nigel Mansell 5th 37 points
> Alain Prost 2nd 73 points
> I don't see world champion here. But look further
> b) with Williams :
> 1985-87 Honda engine ( from end of 85 that was the
> most powerfull combination )
> 1985>Nigel Mansell 6th 31 points
> Keke Rosberg 3rd 40 points
> 1986>Frank Williams wonts English champion but NM
> didn't succeed
> Nigel Mansell 2nd 72 points
> Nelson Piquet 3rd 69 points
> 1987>Frank Williams alows NP more freedom this time
> Nigel Mansell 2nd 61 points
> Nelson Piquet Champ 76 points
> (his only championship in a superior car-of 3 )
> 1988>Williams lost Honda engine and gets Judd
> Nigel Mansell 9-10th 12 points
> Riccardo Patrese 11th 8 points
> 1991-92 Frank Williams had another go with NM
> 1991>Williams-Renault
> Nigel Mansell 2nd 72 points
> Riccardo Patrese 3rd 53 points
> 1992>Williams-Renault
> Nigel Mansell Champ 108 points
> Riccardo Patrese 2nd 56 points
> What a diferent picture. In 6 years 3 times 2nd and one
> championship.
> c) after Williams - NM disappears from F1
Considering that we're talking F1, Mario's statistics seem pretty
convincing.
For the record, I liked watching Mansell race but I never supported him or
disliked him
Jim S
> > > 2) Nigel Mansell was nothing before and after Williams
> > Oh dear!... I see we didn't use all of Mr Brain while compiling our
> > list, did you!
> > Gerry
> Example 1: Nigel Mansell
> a) without Williams :
> 1980 > F2 12th
> 1981-84 NM is in Lotus-Ford, teammate to Elio de Angelis
> 1981>Nigel Mansell 14th 8 points
> Elio de Angelis 8th 14 points
> 1982>Nigel Mansell 14th 7 points
> Elio de Angelis 9th 23 points
> 1983>Nigel Mansell 12-13th 10 points
> Elio de Angelis 8th 15 points
> 1984>Lotus gets Renault engine and Elio de Angelis is much
> faster, but not NM
> Nigel Mansell 9-10th 13 points
> Elio de Angelis 3rd 34 points
> 1989>Ferrari
> Nigel Mansell 4th 38 points
> Gerhard Berger 7th 21 points
> 1990>Ferrari
> Nigel Mansell 5th 37 points
> Alain Prost 2nd 73 points
> I don't see world champion here. But look further
> b) with Williams :
> 1985-87 Honda engine ( from end of 85 that was the
> most powerfull combination )
> 1985>Nigel Mansell 6th 31 points
> Keke Rosberg 3rd 40 points
> 1986>Frank Williams wonts English champion but NM
> didn't succeed
> Nigel Mansell 2nd 72 points
> Nelson Piquet 3rd 69 points
> 1987>Frank Williams alows NP more freedom this time
> Nigel Mansell 2nd 61 points
> Nelson Piquet Champ 76 points
> (his only championship in a superior car-of 3 )
> 1988>Williams lost Honda engine and gets Judd
> Nigel Mansell 9-10th 12 points
> Riccardo Patrese 11th 8 points
> 1991-92 Frank Williams had another go with NM
> 1991>Williams-Renault
> Nigel Mansell 2nd 72 points
> Riccardo Patrese 3rd 53 points
> 1992>Williams-Renault
> Nigel Mansell Champ 108 points
> Riccardo Patrese 2nd 56 points
> What a diferent picture. In 6 years 3 times 2nd and one
> championship.
> c) after Williams - NM disappears from F1
No Steve.
Race tyres usually let go in a spectacularly explosive fashion, owing to
extreme stresses and G forces imposed on them. What would usually constitute
a slow puncture in a road tyre would usually end up as a bulge before
blowing out in racing conditions.
In any case, I'd not fancy a tyre letting me down approaching a corner as
fast as T1 is at Hockenheim....
MS
> Steve Levett
> ------------------
> > > I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle
> > etc.
> > > (never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo
the
> > > most dangerous part of the race.
> > I think you are missing the "main" reason it was stopped. If they had
> > continued, there might have been a few tires blown out from all the
carbon
> > fiber shreads they ran over. It wasn't worth the risk. In my opinion it
> was
> > a good call. A simular thing happened at last years German race,
involving
> > M. Schumacher, they didn't red flag the race then. It was far more
costly
> in
> > terms of the championship last year (to M. Schumacher), than this years
> > race, so the whole idea that it was just for Micheal doesn't make much
> sense
> > to me.
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Look at 1993, and tell me FISA weren't desperate to stop Prost winning,
because they were annoyed they couldn't get at him for his slagging
them off in 1992. Look at the official video - it's called "Senna
fights back", for heaven's sake, and is noticeably grudging in its
praise for he World Champion of '93. Nigel Roebuck remarked on this at
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Agreed, he did what was right in the circumstances. And obviously
concerned about Burti too (vice versa as well I'm sure). Don't agree
that he was walking slowly in the assumption that the SC would come
out though.
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I don't have a problem with MS, I think he is the most talented,
motivated and ambitious driver around. But the problem with being
ambitious is that he doesn't worry about what methods are needed to
get the results. Granted, he has improved since the days of taking out
both Hill and JV. But he always pulls suspect moves to get what he
wants. Add to that the fact that he has no problem with getting his
teammate to move over and let him through.
Having just said that, I must say Kudos to Ferrari for letting RB
through to pass MS. The most sensible move anyway, since MS and RB
were on different strategies, but good to see it happen anyway.
I've been an MS fan since he went to Ferrari, I think he did some
awesome things with that team in the face of adversity. But he has
become much too *** now and that's not good for the sport. Things
will even themselves out I'm sure, but I'm rooting for the underdogs
now. Go JPM!!!
Rafe Mc
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