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by **Michael Heymann** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:23:56

I remember a big crash in the DTM (which starts behind the pacecar) a few
years ago, where nearly the whole field crashed after the start. And didn't
the same thing happened at one of the US 500 at Michigan? Starts are always
dangerous, because everyone wants to get to the front and some people can't
learn that you have to break before a turn and racing is and always will be
dangerous. Everyone of the drivers knows it and everyone is still driving
and we are still watching.

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> I was quoting another person on the "real racers" thing. There is no way
on
> earth you can deny that the start is not the most dangerous part of a F1
> race. That's just comical. That's why nearly every other major series does
> use a pacecar to start the drivers.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Coulthard and Brundle aren't real racers? Have you even driven a F1-Car
on
> > your own that you can make this statement?

> > Marc Surer
> > born on Sep, 18th 1951 in Aresdorf, Suisse

> > 1979 European F2 Champion

> > Between 1979 and 1986 81 starts in Formula 1. Has also won the 24h of
Spa
> in
> > 1985 and at Monza in a WSC.

> > If the start is the most dangerous part of all, why don't we use a
pacecar
> > for every start???

> > --
> > Have several nice days !!!

> > Michael Heymanns
> > Team-Manager SRG

> > IWSC Champion 2000
> > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > TPTCC Champion 2000
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> > > I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle
> > etc.
> > > (never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo
the
> > > most dangerous part of the race.

> > > --

> > > Steve Levett

> > > ------------------

> > > > Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> > > > > Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's
> > > (Schumacher's
> > > > > main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the
> > right
> > > > > decision.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ian P
> > > > > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > > > > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from
> > inside
> > > > the
> > > > > >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the
red
> > > flag
> > > > > was
> > > > > > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as
a
> > big
> > > > > > supporter of Schumacher.

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > > > > Michael Heymanns
> > > > > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > > > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > > > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > > > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > > > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > > > > TPTCC Champion 2001

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> > > > > > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast
driver
> > but
> > > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am
> not
> > a
> > > > fan
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some
people
> > > here
> > > > > seem
> > > > > > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with
someone
> so
> > > I'm
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > gonna do it again.

> > > > > > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was
> surprised
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in
> > here.

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Steve Levett

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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 03:37:57

But what if the same thing happened on the restart and a couple of tyres
went into the crowd? They would have found any tyre problems in the 10-15
minutes behind the pace car. I still think its more dangerous to do another
restart than carry on behind the pace car, CART, NASCAR, and the IRL seem to
agree with me. All of these leagues raceon much more dangerous tracks than
Hockenheim.

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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 03:42:20

And here's the JV quote, and I guess what he thinks is un important too?

Q: What did you see of the incident at the first start?
JV: I didn't see what happened, but I was surprised when there was a red
flag, because we already went through the debris once. By then the track was
clean so the most dangerous moment of the race is actually the start so I
was really really surprised.

--

Steve Levett

------------------

> I guess what you think is absolutly unimportant, because the race stewards
> whoi have decided this are responsible for the race, the drivers and the
> spectators.
> What would you have written when the race continued after some laps behind
> the pacecar and than some cars crashed out because of the tires? Do you
know
> how it feels to loose a tire at full speed at Hockenheim? Do you want to
be
> in that car?
> Think twice about it and than tell us what you would have decided instead
of
> the stewards.

> BTW, you don't win three championships in F1 (soon to be four), win 50
races
> and achieve over 40 pole-positions only by cheating.

> --
> Have several nice days !!!

> Michael Heymanns
> Team-Manager SRG

> IWSC Champion 2000
> IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 1999
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> TPTCC Champion 2001

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> > I think races should only be restarted if there is a need for an
ambulance
> > or the track is completely blocked like the Spa race a few years ago.

> > --

> > Steve Levett

> > ------------------

> > > Funny how all this become when you think about how NASCAR, CART, IRL,
> > > Indy-lights and just about any other racing series in the USA managed
to
> > > clean the track with 'blowers' or manual labour without stopping the
> race.
> > > Even on tracks thats no more than 1/5th the length of Hockenheim :-)

> > > --
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by **Jonny Hodgso** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:50:19

another

At a fraction of full downforce, and full centrifugal effects on the
tyres? Both these effects go with the square of speed, so if they're
maxing out at 100 instead of 200 mph that's only a quarter of the
stress on the tyres. Plenty of room for damage to make its presence
known once they're back up to speed...

Jonny

by **Michael Heymann** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:15:16

To say it was one word: YES. No driver can or should decide if there will be
a red flag or not.
Schumacher has said last year that he would have expected a red flag after
the accident and it was the right decision that it didn't come out then.

Crashes can happen all the time, as we all have seen in Melbourne or Imola,
but driving with 350km/h is dangerous enough so that you don't should take
the risk of loosing tires.

The F1 has always made the standing start and most of the accidents in a
race happens by going into the first corner and not while starting the race.
When you start behind the pacecar you will see the cars also going into turn
1 and you will still see some drivers trying to brake late - like the
CART-Race at Cleveland.

And we can discuss this four hours and days, the rules in F1 are the way
they are and they will stay that way for a long time, if you like it or not.
CART and NASCAR are handling this in a different way, but I don't think you
can call the series more safer than F1.

--
Have several nice days !!!

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> And here's the JV quote, and I guess what he thinks is un important too?

> Q: What did you see of the incident at the first start?
> JV: I didn't see what happened, but I was surprised when there was a red
> flag, because we already went through the debris once. By then the track
was
> clean so the most dangerous moment of the race is actually the start so I
> was really really surprised.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > I guess what you think is absolutly unimportant, because the race
stewards
> > whoi have decided this are responsible for the race, the drivers and the
> > spectators.
> > What would you have written when the race continued after some laps
behind
> > the pacecar and than some cars crashed out because of the tires? Do you
> know
> > how it feels to loose a tire at full speed at Hockenheim? Do you want to
> be
> > in that car?
> > Think twice about it and than tell us what you would have decided
instead
> of
> > the stewards.

> > BTW, you don't win three championships in F1 (soon to be four), win 50
> races
> > and achieve over 40 pole-positions only by cheating.

> > --
> > Have several nice days !!!

> > Michael Heymanns
> > Team-Manager SRG

> > IWSC Champion 2000
> > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 2001

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> > www.teamsrg.de
> > www.tptcc.de

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> > > I think races should only be restarted if there is a need for an
> ambulance
> > > or the track is completely blocked like the Spa race a few years ago.

> > > --

> > > Steve Levett

> > > ------------------

> > > > Funny how all this become when you think about how NASCAR, CART,
IRL,
> > > > Indy-lights and just about any other racing series in the USA
managed
> to
> > > > clean the track with 'blowers' or manual labour without stopping the
> > race.
> > > > Even on tracks thats no more than 1/5th the length of Hockenheim
:-)

> > > > --
> > > > ed_

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by **Mark Seer** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:23:59

Never heard of surer. Hmmm. Not an F1 historian then.

As far as JV goes, this is the guy who rates his accidents - I remember
hearing him say how his spa Eau Rouge one was his best yet.

Are you really gullible enough to entrust the bravado of his fighting talk
as grounds for risking lives of other driver's as they suffer a tyre blowout
in a 200 mph braking area before one of the chicanes? Needle sharp shrapnell
was scattered in abundance all over the circuit.

The argument about the start being the most dangerous part was just stupid.
Sure, it's dangerous but it's part of the normal procedure in any race. It's
what drivers are paid to do (just like pilots of planes are paid to land
them) ! Driving over unneccessary and potentially lethal debris is not part
of the brief.

MS

> I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle
etc.
> (never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo the
> most dangerous part of the race.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> > > Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's
> (Schumacher's
> > > main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the
right
> > > decision.

> > > --

> > > Ian P
> > > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from
inside
> > the
> > > >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red
> flag
> > > was
> > > > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a
big
> > > > supporter of Schumacher.

> > > > --
> > > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > > Michael Heymanns
> > > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > > > www.srg-group.de
> > > > www.teamsrg.de
> > > > www.tptcc.de

> > > > 1&1 Profiseller
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> > > > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver
but
> > he
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am not
a
> > fan
> > > > of
> > > > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people
> here
> > > seem
> > > > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone so
> I'm
> > > not
> > > > > gonna do it again.

> > > > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was surprised
it
> > was
> > > > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in
here.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Steve Levett

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by **Mark Seer** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:25:18

You forgot to mention Brundle being world sportscar champion and Taking
Senna right down to the wire in his F3 days :-)

MS

> Coulthard and Brundle aren't real racers? Have you even driven a F1-Car on
> your own that you can make this statement?

> Marc Surer
> born on Sep, 18th 1951 in Aresdorf, Suisse

> 1979 European F2 Champion

> Between 1979 and 1986 81 starts in Formula 1. Has also won the 24h of Spa
in
> 1985 and at Monza in a WSC.

> If the start is the most dangerous part of all, why don't we use a pacecar
> for every start???

> --
> Have several nice days !!!

> Michael Heymanns
> Team-Manager SRG

> IWSC Champion 2000
> IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 1999
> TPTCC Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 2001

> www.srg-group.de
> www.teamsrg.de
> www.tptcc.de

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> > I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle
> etc.
> > (never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo the
> > most dangerous part of the race.

> > --

> > Steve Levett

> > ------------------

> > > Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> > > > Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's
> > (Schumacher's
> > > > main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the
> right
> > > > decision.

> > > > --

> > > > Ian P
> > > > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > > > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from
> inside
> > > the
> > > > >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red
> > flag
> > > > was
> > > > > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a
> big
> > > > > supporter of Schumacher.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > > > Michael Heymanns
> > > > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > > > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > > > > www.srg-group.de
> > > > > www.teamsrg.de
> > > > > www.tptcc.de

> > > > > 1&1 Profiseller
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> > > > > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver
> but
> > > he
> > > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am
not
> a
> > > fan
> > > > > of
> > > > > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people
> > here
> > > > seem
> > > > > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone
so
> > I'm
> > > > not
> > > > > > gonna do it again.

> > > > > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was
surprised
> it
> > > was
> > > > > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in
> here.

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Steve Levett

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by **Michael Heymann** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:47:16

Well, I haven't seen a reason to defend drivers which are well known in the
history of Formula 1.
I respect all drivers in F1 and I wouldn't say that anyone of them isn't a
good races, because I can't say that: I have never driven a F1 and I'm sure
most of the guys around here haven't done the same.:-)

Marc Surer wasn't a frontrunner in F1, because he has driven in teams which
haven't the budget to run at the front. He is a well respected driver in
europe and a even more respected reporter for Premiere World now. All I can
say is that he seems to know everything about F1 and that it is always great
to hear his comments.

I can't blame anyone for not knowing a specific driver, but if you trust the
words from one single driver more than the words of a bunch of people there
must be something wrong.

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> You forgot to mention Brundle being world sportscar champion and Taking
> Senna right down to the wire in his F3 days :-)

> MS

> > Coulthard and Brundle aren't real racers? Have you even driven a F1-Car
on
> > your own that you can make this statement?

> > Marc Surer
> > born on Sep, 18th 1951 in Aresdorf, Suisse

> > 1979 European F2 Champion

> > Between 1979 and 1986 81 starts in Formula 1. Has also won the 24h of
Spa
> in
> > 1985 and at Monza in a WSC.

> > If the start is the most dangerous part of all, why don't we use a
pacecar
> > for every start???

> > --
> > Have several nice days !!!

> > Michael Heymanns
> > Team-Manager SRG

> > IWSC Champion 2000
> > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > www.srg-group.de
> > www.teamsrg.de
> > www.tptcc.de

> > 1&1 Profiseller
> > www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > > I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle
> > etc.
> > > (never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo
the
> > > most dangerous part of the race.

> > > --

> > > Steve Levett

> > > ------------------

> > > > Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> > > > > Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's
> > > (Schumacher's
> > > > > main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the
> > right
> > > > > decision.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ian P
> > > > > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > > > > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from
> > inside
> > > > the
> > > > > >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the
red
> > > flag
> > > > > was
> > > > > > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as
a
> > big
> > > > > > supporter of Schumacher.

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > > > > Michael Heymanns
> > > > > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > > > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > > > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > > > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > > > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > > > > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > > > > > www.srg-group.de
> > > > > > www.teamsrg.de
> > > > > > www.tptcc.de

> > > > > > 1&1 Profiseller
> > > > > > www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > > > > > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast
driver
> > but
> > > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am
> not
> > a
> > > > fan
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some
people
> > > here
> > > > > seem
> > > > > > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with
someone
> so
> > > I'm
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > gonna do it again.

> > > > > > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was
> surprised
> > it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in
> > here.

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Steve Levett

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by **Michael Heymann** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:47:53

Couldn't have said that better Mark.

--
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IWSC Champion 2000
IPSC GT-Champion 2000
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TPTCC Champion 2000
TPTCC Champion 2001

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> Never heard of surer. Hmmm. Not an F1 historian then.

> As far as JV goes, this is the guy who rates his accidents - I remember
> hearing him say how his spa Eau Rouge one was his best yet.

> Are you really gullible enough to entrust the bravado of his fighting talk
> as grounds for risking lives of other driver's as they suffer a tyre
blowout
> in a 200 mph braking area before one of the chicanes? Needle sharp
shrapnell
> was scattered in abundance all over the circuit.

> The argument about the start being the most dangerous part was just
stupid.
> Sure, it's dangerous but it's part of the normal procedure in any race.
It's
> what drivers are paid to do (just like pilots of planes are paid to land
> them) ! Driving over unneccessary and potentially lethal debris is not
part
> of the brief.

> MS

> > I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle
> etc.
> > (never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo the
> > most dangerous part of the race.

> > --

> > Steve Levett

> > ------------------

> > > Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> > > > Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's
> > (Schumacher's
> > > > main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the
> right
> > > > decision.

> > > > --

> > > > Ian P
> > > > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > > > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from
> inside
> > > the
> > > > >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red
> > flag
> > > > was
> > > > > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a
> big
> > > > > supporter of Schumacher.

> > > > > --
> > > > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > > > Michael Heymanns
> > > > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > > > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > > > > www.srg-group.de
> > > > > www.teamsrg.de
> > > > > www.tptcc.de

> > > > > 1&1 Profiseller
> > > > > www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > > > > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver
> but
> > > he
> > > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am
not
> a
> > > fan
> > > > > of
> > > > > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people
> > here
> > > > seem
> > > > > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone
so
> > I'm
> > > > not
> > > > > > gonna do it again.

> > > > > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was
surprised
> it
> > > was
> > > > > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in
> here.

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Steve Levett

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by **Joachim Trens** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 05:15:51

Hi Gerry,

Well said Gerry :-)

Achim

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:06:46

Montoya does and Ralf doesn't? The myth lives on.

R. Schumacher has badly outqualified Montoya in all but three races this
year. Usually by a half second or more. The three in which Montoya did
outqualify Ralf, he did so by less than .2 COMBINED.

Ralf has three wins, a second, a fourth, and a fifth. Montoya has two
seconds and a fourth.

Today, according to Ralf, Montoya apparently ignored the warnings that their
BMW engine needed to be babied a bit in order to help insure a finish. Ralf
drove smart while Montoya drove all out. You saw what happened. Ralf wins
and Montoya retires again.

They are the same age, and Montoya has been a F1 test driver, along with his
F3000 and CART experience, He's not a rookie by any means.

David G Fisher

by **Txl** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:21:52

I didn't know about this point but why do they call themselves WORLD
champions ??

I disagree with you about the south american football teams, the NATIONAL
teams are on par with "us" europeans but the clubs are quite below because
all the best players are over here mostly for financial reasons but
anyway...

Let's take the Brazilian team, I don't think many players are actually
playing in the brazilian championship (or columbian, or argentinian....)

Roberto carlos
Taffarel
Ronaldo
Ronaldihno
Ze roberto...

by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:30:18

He didn't ignore the warning, he subserved it to his will to win. I'm sure
once Montoya lost the lead in the refueling fiasco, whether the engine
lasted or not was of no censequence to him. And this *is* new to him, BTW...
relatively speaking CART and F3000 engines are bulletproof. Like I said
before... smart can be learned, fast is either there or it's not. It's the
oldest F1 platitude in the book, but it's true.

Somehow I cannot shake the feeling you're the one who's missing part of the
puzzle, David. Have to admit I didn't see it before either. I used to think
Boutsen was cheated out of a DWC by Williams after he and Patrese brought
the car back to the highest level. Now I understand why Frank chose Nigel
Mansell for the attempt. Took 8 years for the penny to drop though.

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

by **David Butte** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:32:57

<snip>

Bit like Ayrton Senna, really... <vbeg>

On the other hand, Prof Sid Watkins (who you have to admit knows a
thing or two) talks about this in Autosport this week in relation to
Monza last year, and gives the very clear impression that he very much
dislikes long safety car periods. He also tells us that Bernie told him
that anything over 5 minutes behind the safety car was too long.

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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:31:06

> But dont F1 rules state that you cant have a restart after the cars have
> completed the 1st lap which is what they did? 4 or 5 laps under the pace car
> at 5 minutes per lap would have given the marshalls plenty of time to clear
> up,

I'm not so sure an F1 car can do a 5 minute lap without overheating.

--
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