350 million people per race watch F1. About 8 (maybe 13, can't remember for
sure) million per race for NASCAR. Why hasn't NASCAR amounted to more than a
pimple on F1's ***if it's such great racing, and F1 is so boring? I like
CART (my interest has gone way down over the past couple of years for some
reason), but not many people watch it.
David G Fisher
> It's pretty ovious you know nothing about oval racing and youd probably
say
> you find it boring watching cars go round in circles,
On the superspeedways, it looks like friday night on the motorway. My point
about F1 is not that the cars are different in performance, but that there
is more variation in speeds over the length of the lap, watching Barricello
go round the outside of Coulthard was a lot more interesting to me, than
some shmoe pulling out of the line and breezing ahead for a lap.
And in the "good old days" of Formula one, the leader would stop for a cup
of tea and still have time to win the race, after borrowing his 2nd placed
team mate's car to finish the race with. Not a dig at US racing, more the
other people in the topic bemoaning "modern" F1.
compared to BTCC 10 years ago, yes.
See, it's easy to have a different opinion!
cheers
John
> > I don't care about anything except the semantic argument.
> My "relation" with DGF shouldn't be at all important to your eyes. It's
> between him and me.
> LOL
:D
John
David G Fisher
> > I failed to address it because I think it's nonsense. Are you saying
that
> > the William's team is the only team that each race purposely put lesser
> > tires on the same driver's car during qualifying because they didn't
care
> > how high he placed in qualifying? They certainly have a different
strategy
> > than all the other teams in F1.
> > David G Fisher
> I think the idea has merit. Williams are Michelin's biggest partner in
F1,
> and Michelin needs every available piece of information possible. I
> understand that the tyre choice lies ultimately with the driver, so JPM's
> "mistake" might have been to take the tyres that are poor for qualifying
in
> lieu of improved race performance- certainly Martin Brundle reminds us at
> every race that certain Michelins don't "wear in" until about 14 laps in.
> If I recall, JPM was opting for harder compounds than RS- they have to use
> the same set of tyres for qualifying as the race, so it's a critical
> decision, and arguably one that JPM has not made correctly. It doesn't
> really help you to compare the driving talents of the two drivers, however
> (my original point).
> They're not "lesser" tyres, as such, they have a strength which is
apparent
> in race conditions, not qualifying. I don't know what the level of
> commentary and information is where your TV feed comes from, but these are
> "facts" mentioned by eg MBrundle, Tony Jardine, James Allen, as part of
the
> UK ITV F1 coverage.
> cheers
> John
> Jan.
Or are we just going to "emperors new clothes" each other about the
subtleties of our favourite motorsports that the other fails to pick up
upon.
cheers
John
David G Fisher
Jan, some things are better than others.
David G Fisher
<SNIP>
Whatever, David...
But, what you have to remember is that you came across in your posts as
such an ignorant and stupid ***. Therefor, I'm not so sure it's easy
for the rest of us to figure out whether you think you're exaggerating
or not.
I keep forgetting you're just a stupid troll, sorry about that.
> > There are much closer finishes in CART and NASCAR, usually under a couple
> of
> > seconds. Most people I know watch the 1st corner in F1 and then do some
> > work, surf the net etc and have the TV on in the backround.
> 350 million people per race watch F1. About 8 (maybe 13, can't remember for
> sure) million per race for NASCAR. Why hasn't NASCAR amounted to more than a
> pimple on F1's ***if it's such great racing, and F1 is so boring? I like
> CART (my interest has gone way down over the past couple of years for some
> reason), but not many people watch it.
David G Fisher
> > > There are much closer finishes in CART and NASCAR, usually under a
couple
> > of
> > > seconds. Most people I know watch the 1st corner in F1 and then do
some
> > > work, surf the net etc and have the TV on in the backround.
> > 350 million people per race watch F1. About 8 (maybe 13, can't remember
for
> > sure) million per race for NASCAR. Why hasn't NASCAR amounted to more
than a
> > pimple on F1's ***if it's such great racing, and F1 is so boring? I
like
> > CART (my interest has gone way down over the past couple of years for
some
> > reason), but not many people watch it.
> This is a common theme with you. You always equate mass popularity with
> quality. You do it with racing games and you do it with motorsport.
> > It's pretty ovious you know nothing about oval racing and youd probably
> say
> > you find it boring watching cars go round in circles,
> I prefer short ovals, it's true. I know a little more than "nothing"
about
> ovals. What, are you the only one entitled to an opinion?
That was a very good move but unfortunately it's all too rare in F1, there
was a race this season where there was not a single pass shown on TV (dont
ask me to name the track as I've forgotton) and just wait for the most
boring race of all at Hungary. It doesnt take a genious to figure F1 cars
cant overtake because they cant follow other cars through mid and high speed
corners closely, there is to much reliance on aerodynamic grip (even more so
now with grooved tyres). Bring back slicks and make the wings smaller to get
back to closer racing. Ban driving aids as well, make them have smaller fuel
tanks so they have to stop 3 times a race so they will have to all pit at
the same time, get rid of the chicanes, redesign tracks (more like Monza,
Spa and less like Hungaroring, Magny Cours) oh yeah, and throw in a turbo.
Steve Levett
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Knocking CART because they use steel brakes or because the series is
currently suffering more accidents than usual due to a large percentage of
inexperienced drivers (I certainly never thought I'd be forced into thinking
about Paul Tracy as a stalwart rather than a loose cannon) is more than a
little short sighted, IMO. As for NASCAR, if you cannot appreciate the level
of skill and courage required to do what these drivers do, you just don't
understand the problem.
People's appreciation of a series is not built or destroyed by the one race.
I'm not trying to prove CART or NASCAR superior to F1, but I find myself
ever more alienated as an F1 viewer. Every measure to slow the cars down in
the interest of safety, costs or otherwise be it either to the cars or
tracks has only served to reduce the ability or the drivers to "race"
eachother and widen the chasm between the haves and have nots in F1. Don't
tell me it's not infuriating to have he likes of Alesi, Fisichella and
Button reduced to battling over the minor positions and then only provided
"the big 4" have lost cars due to technical difficulties?
Don't get me wrong, as an engineer I do admire F1 cars for their
uncompromised purposefullness, but as a motorsports fan I believe the
technology should serve to showcase the talents of the driver, rather than
the other way round.
Perhaps you should watch some bike racing to remind yourself what racing is
about?
Jan.
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David G Fisher
