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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:09:50

Didnt he win the CART championship as well?

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> Double World Champion??? Jacques was champion only in 1997 or did I miss
> something?

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> > So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> > champion?

> > Steve Levett

> > > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
> > > already
> > > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to
do
> > the
> > > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying
Villeneuve
> > > talks
> > > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win
the
> > > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got
near
> a
> > > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:10:46

Villenueve, F1 and CART?

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> Who's the double world champion ?

> --

> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spammers>

> > So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> > champion?

> > Steve Levett

> > > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
> > > already
> > > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to
do
> > the
> > > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying
Villeneuve
> > > talks
> > > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win
the
> > > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got
near
> a
> > > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:15:48

But dont F1 rules state that you cant have a restart after the cars have
completed the 1st lap which is what they did? 4 or 5 laps under the pace car
at 5 minutes per lap would have given the marshalls plenty of time to clear
up, they use trucks on the course behind the pace car in CART and NASCAR so
why not F1? I'm sure a tyre would have failed if it was going to do so in
the 5 or so laps behind the pace car which would not result in a dangerous
accident.

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by **Pierre Robitaill** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:30:14

The race can be stopped/restarted at any time. The original grid
positions are used if the restart is called within the first 2
laps of the race. If more than 2 laps have been run, then the current
positions determine the spots on the grid (they add the times of
the "first" race to the times of the "second" race IIRC).

> But dont F1 rules state that you cant have a restart after the cars have
> completed the 1st lap which is what they did? 4 or 5 laps under the pace car
> at 5 minutes per lap would have given the marshalls plenty of time to clear
> up, they use trucks on the course behind the pace car in CART and NASCAR so
> why not F1? I'm sure a tyre would have failed if it was going to do so in
> the 5 or so laps behind the pace car which would not result in a dangerous
> accident.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Hi Steve,

> > if names mean anything, Gerhard Berger, Niki Lauda and Christian Danner
> all
> > said that it was the right decision to stop the race. Norbert Haug said
> > something to the effect that it was an acceptable decision.

> > The reasoning was always that this much debris on a hi-speed track like
> > Hockenheim could have lead to devastating accidents.

> > The track BTW wasn't cleaned manually, they sent out two road-cleaner
> trucks
> > to get it cleaned up in time for the restart.

> > Achim

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by **Todd Sorense** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:31:44

Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's (Schumacher's
> main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the right
> decision.

> --

> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spammers>

> > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from inside
the
> >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red flag
> was
> > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a big
> > supporter of Schumacher.

> > --
> > Have several nice days !!!

> > Michael Heymanns
> > Team-Manager SRG

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> > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 1999
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> > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver but
he
> is
> > a
> > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am not a
fan
> > of
> > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people here
> seem
> > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone so I'm
> not
> > > gonna do it again.

> > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was surprised it
was
> > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in here.

> > > --

> > > Steve Levett

by **Todd Sorense** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:33:01

I believe he won his high school championship as well.

> Double World Champion??? Jacques was champion only in 1997 or did I miss
> something?

> --
> Have several nice days !!!

> Michael Heymanns
> Team-Manager SRG

> IWSC Champion 2000
> IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 1999
> TPTCC Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 2001

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> www.teamsrg.de
> www.tptcc.de

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> > So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> > champion?

> > Steve Levett

> > > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they has
> > > already
> > > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to
do
> > the
> > > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying
Villeneuve
> > > talks
> > > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win
the
> > > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got
near
> a
> > > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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by **Michael Heymann** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:42:05

Didn't we speak about Formula 1???

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> Didnt he win the CART championship as well?

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Double World Champion??? Jacques was champion only in 1997 or did I
miss
> > something?

> > --
> > Have several nice days !!!

> > Michael Heymanns
> > Team-Manager SRG

> > IWSC Champion 2000
> > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > www.srg-group.de
> > www.teamsrg.de
> > www.tptcc.de

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> > www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > > So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> > > champion?

> > > Steve Levett

> > > > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they
has
> > > > already
> > > > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to
> do
> > > the
> > > > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying
> Villeneuve
> > > > talks
> > > > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win
> the
> > > > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > > > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > > > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got
> near
> > a
> > > > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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by **istof** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:48:35

wouldn't that be unfair on the driver who unwittingly drove over a
piece of carbon fibre? he would have to pit and it wasn't his fault.

this argument is going nowhere. the FIA seemed to act in the greater
good for a change. The fact that it worked in schumi's favour this
time was probably co-incidental. no-one could have predicted the
possible tire failures and i believe that the race stewards acted
cautiously and responsibly. if i were a schumey basher i would
rather be commenting how schumey didn't make a big enough effort to
get off the track. hehehe.

i think a thread related to ralfs comment about montoya racing off at
the start would be more interesting than this, though...

just my 0.02c.

enjoy the cart later. caught the end of the qualifying. tough luck
for helio.

Regards all,
istoff

by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:53:24

Maybe he was hoping for another restart, hehe

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Steve Levett

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> >But dont F1 rules state that you cant have a restart after the cars have
> >completed the 1st lap which is what they did? 4 or 5 laps under the pace
car
> >at 5 minutes per lap would have given the marshalls plenty of time to
clear
> >up, they use trucks on the course behind the pace car in CART and NASCAR
so
> >why not F1? I'm sure a tyre would have failed if it was going to do so in
> >the 5 or so laps behind the pace car which would not result in a
dangerous
> >accident.

> wouldn't that be unfair on the driver who unwittingly drove over a
> piece of carbon fibre? he would have to pit and it wasn't his fault.

> this argument is going nowhere. the FIA seemed to act in the greater
> good for a change. The fact that it worked in schumi's favour this
> time was probably co-incidental. no-one could have predicted the
> possible tire failures and i believe that the race stewards acted
> cautiously and responsibly. if i were a schumey basher i would
> rather be commenting how schumey didn't make a big enough effort to
> get off the track. hehehe.

> i think a thread related to ralfs comment about montoya racing off at
> the start would be more interesting than this, though...

> just my 0.02c.

> enjoy the cart later. caught the end of the qualifying. tough luck
> for helio.

> Regards all,
> istoff

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:57:52

Steve,
F1 affisheeanadios don't consider CART to be a World Championship, at
least not of the same level. So when you said two time World Champ, the F1
crowd questioned you because he hasn't won 2 titles in F1.
Kinda like American's don't consider the Japanese Baseball Champs to be on
Par with US World Series winners.
He accomplishments are great, but his lackluster performance with a
down-cycle Williams and a new startup like BAR have tarnished his
reputation. Put JV in a Red Horse or the Merced/Mac team and folks here
most likely would have a greater respect for his accomplishments. Plus he's
not from 'the Continent' so that weighs against him as well. What F1 needs
is Eddie Irvine and Jacques on the same team...:)
dave henrie

> Villenueve, F1 and CART?

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Who's the double world champion ?

> > --

> > Ian P
> > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double World
> > > champion?

> > > Steve Levett

> > > > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they
has
> > > > already
> > > > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had to
> do
> > > the
> > > > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying
> Villeneuve
> > > > talks
> > > > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to win
> the
> > > > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > > > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > > > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got
> near
> > a
> > > > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:57:59

I agree with JV who is one of the real racers unlike Coultard, Brundle etc.
(never heard of Surer) It was safer to use the pace car than to redo the
most dangerous part of the race.

--

Steve Levett

------------------

> Yep. looks like Stevie Levett is wrong this time.

> > Martin Brundle, another ex F1 driver and Dacvid Coulthard's
(Schumacher's
> > main chamionship contender) manager also said the red flag was the right
> > decision.

> > --

> > Ian P
> > <email invalid due to spammers>

> > > Just remember that you have a different view on the track from inside
> the
> > >***pit. Marc Surer (former F1-Driver) has said on tv that the red
flag
> > was
> > > the right decision. Surer is from Suisse and surely not known as a big
> > > supporter of Schumacher.

> > > --
> > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > Michael Heymanns
> > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > > www.srg-group.de
> > > www.teamsrg.de
> > > www.tptcc.de

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> > > > No, it was DCs fault at Silverstone. Schumacher is a fast driver but
> he
> > is
> > > a
> > > > cheat who gets preferential treatment from Bernie and F1. I am not a
> fan
> > > of
> > > > any driver so I'm not blinded by the love of MS that some people
here
> > seem
> > > > to be. I went through the MS thing a few weeks ago with someone so
I'm
> > not
> > > > gonna do it again.

> > > > JV said on ITV that he wanted the race to go on and was surprised it
> was
> > > > stopped and I'm gonna trust his judgement ahead on any guys in here.

> > > > --

> > > > Steve Levett

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by **Steve Levet** » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:58:42

Yeah, but he's still a double world champion.

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Steve Levett

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> Didn't we speak about Formula 1???

> --
> Have several nice days !!!

> Michael Heymanns
> Team-Manager SRG

> IWSC Champion 2000
> IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 1999
> TPTCC Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 2001

> www.srg-group.de
> www.teamsrg.de
> www.tptcc.de

> 1&1 Profiseller
> www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > Didnt he win the CART championship as well?

> > --

> > Steve Levett

> > ------------------

> > > Double World Champion??? Jacques was champion only in 1997 or did I
> miss
> > > something?

> > > --
> > > Have several nice days !!!

> > > Michael Heymanns
> > > Team-Manager SRG

> > > IWSC Champion 2000
> > > IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> > > TPTCC Champion 1999
> > > TPTCC Champion 2000
> > > TPTCC Champion 2001

> > > www.srg-group.de
> > > www.teamsrg.de
> > > www.tptcc.de

> > > 1&1 Profiseller
> > > www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > > > So you are saying you know more about race matters than a double
World
> > > > champion?

> > > > Steve Levett

> > > > > > Jacques was interviewed and said he was "very surprised" as they
> has
> > > > > already
> > > > > > gone through the debris once and he said they shouldnt have had
to
> > do
> > > > the
> > > > > > "most dangerous" part of the race again. So, are you saying
> > Villeneuve
> > > > > talks
> > > > > > shit as well? I bet you also think he never took out Damon to
win
> > the
> > > > > > championship and never tried to wreck Jacques on purpose.

> > > > > Villeneuve does tend to talk a lot of shit too, yes.
> > > > > Damon who ? Oh , I remember. The little brat who wouldn't have got
> > near
> > > a
> > > > > ***y Go-Kart if his Dad hadn't been called Graham.

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by **Gerry Aitke** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:59:16

> I'm sure a tyre would have failed if it was going to do so in
> the 5 or so laps behind the pace car which would not result in a dangerous
> accident.

And you'd bet your life on that would you? Are you sure you aren't just
letting your anti Schumacher feeling get the better of your good
judgement?

Gerry

by **Simon Brow** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:37:04

The red flag was thrown *after* everyone had just driven through the debris.

by **Txl** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 02:10:29

well, you have the DEFINITE point..

They should have redflagged IMMEDIATLY, not after 1 lap where this is the
time where the MOST debris are still on the track, of course once the safety
car has been there once they shouldn't have red flagged the race.

Now it's another point to debate whether it was done FOR Scumacher or
against or whatever, another point is that it is the race director and not
the FIA stewart who decides about the red flag (and about the ralf penalty
in nurburg), in both cases it happened in Germany, with German race
directors, of course the ones from nurburg are famous for their "strange"
decisions (superbike race in nurburg in 99) but NOBODY can say WHY they did
it the way they did, the only thing wa can say is that it was a mistake to
let the cars pass in the shit once and stop them after, they should have
redflagged IMMEDIATLY.

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