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by **Michael Heymann** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:24:32

If I remember correctly ManU lost the first game, but can't remember the
winner - must have been a team from South America. But who cares about this
"championship" at all? Even the world cup final isn't a very big thing for
the european teams. It's all about the champions league and it was won by
Bayern Mnchen.
But you are right of cause: A lot of players from South America are playing
in european teams, two brazilian players are playing for Bayern: Elber and
Sergio and one from Paraguay (Rocque Santa Cruz) and one from Peru (Claudio
Pizarro).
I was happy that Bayern won the champions league, but unfortunatly they also
won the national title in the last seconds of the season and my favourite
club finished only second. It was a real thriller in those last minutes.

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> well, that was a FIFA BULLSHIT, nobody uses the title "world champion",
BTW
> I dont't even recall who was there and won, and on top of this I recall
> there were clubs from "everywhere" not just England or Italy or Spain or
> Brazil (I know there was no french one...)

> Who won ? just out of curiosity ? MAN Utd ?

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> > writes

> > >> By all means, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. If
> > >> you would bother to do some research on the subject, you would know
> > >> WHY it is called the World Series. Originally, the end-of-season
> > >> baseball championship was sponsored by a newspaper, the now defunct
> > >> "New York World". Hence, the name "World Series". As for basketball

> > >I didn't know about this point but why do they call themselves WORLD
> > >champions ??

> > >I disagree with you about the south american football teams, the
NATIONAL
> > >teams are on par with "us" europeans but the clubs are quite below
> because
> > >all the best players are over here mostly for financial reasons but
> > >anyway...

> > >Let's take the Brazilian team, I don't think many players are actually
> > >playing in the brazilian championship (or columbian, or
argentinian....)

> > Guess you've forgotten Man Utd's and other Euro club's little visit last
> > year for the World Club Championship. Mmm, wonder which club won?
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by **Michael Heymann** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:27:25

All the drivers you have mentioned weren't fron runners in F1. Even Zanardi
left F1 after having his very own desaster with Lotus. The second try wasn't
much better for him.

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> > > > c) after Williams - NM disappears from F1

> > > And wins CART championship in his rookie year.

> > > Rafe Mc

> > I agree that F1 drivers are faster than CART drivers.

> Not in CART they are: F1 bred drivers like Mark Blundell, Mo Gugelmin,
> Christian Fittipaldi, Roberto Moreno, Alex Zanardi are all good
> drivers, but not standouts. Well Zanardi was but that's the
> exception. The only driver who came from F1 to CART with storm was
> Nigel Mansell.

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by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:47:55

Whole my life I'm watching unjusted FIA decisions against
MS and now you talk like that. MS doesn't need FIA's help to
win championship with 27 points lead in front of DC five races
before end (in case of -eventual but not likely- DC win at
Hockenheim ).

by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:56:51

> > > > > c) after Williams - NM disappears from F1

> > > > And wins CART championship in his rookie year.

> > > > Rafe Mc

> > > I agree that F1 drivers are faster than CART drivers.

> > Not in CART they are: F1 bred drivers like Mark Blundell, Mo Gugelmin,
> > Christian Fittipaldi, Roberto Moreno, Alex Zanardi are all good
> > drivers, but not standouts. Well Zanardi was but that's the
> > exception. The only driver who came from F1 to CART with storm was
> > Nigel Mansell.

Yes. It was a answer to the very great generalisation that F1 drivers
are faster than CART drivers. A sentence that is wrong on more than
one cincumstance.

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by **Mark Seer** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:54:28

What the hell has age got to do with it. I don't need a lesson on Montoya. I
used to watch the guy as an unknown, racing in such windswept places as
Thruxton on rainy bank holidays in front of crowds of maybe 5000 people.
There is a world of difference between testing and the pressures of actually
RACING at a GP weekend. A footballer can train all he likes but will never
be match fit unless he actually COMPETES in football matches. I'd say that
Ralph is pretty much the veteran in the Williams team being senior to the
tune of around 60 GP's.

I meant in terms of the fact that he was throwing it up the road all the
time. Rubens Baracello in contrast, put an uncompetitive Jordan in places
well above it's station in his rookie years.

I refer you once again to Ralph's rookie seasons.

I know little or nothing about CART. Being a European, I rarely even see
race footage. Actually, I find most modern single seaters uninspiring. Give
me historic stuff and sportscars every time.

MS

by **Rafe McAulif** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:59:51

Agreed, MS + best car = boring championship fight

As well as numerous easy victories. Ferrari don't have any reliability
worries like McLaren always seemed to. Until Hockenheim, of course.

Rafe Mc

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:01:45 +0200, "Mario Petrinovic"

> There's only one way to even MS with rest of the pack. And
>that is to give him much slower car.

>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:43:10 +0200, "Michael Heymanns"

>> I've been an MS fan since he went to Ferrari, I think he did some
>> awesome things with that team in the face of adversity. But he has
>> become much too *** now and that's not good for the sport. Things
>> will even themselves out I'm sure, but I'm rooting for the underdogs
>> now. Go JPM!!!

>> Rafe Mc

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:43:06

These are two different driving technics.
a)CART prefers drivers with good overtaking technic and real racers
with "balls " like somebody mentioned.
b)Modern F1 prefers drivers who like to ride alone

I like CART very much and wish F1 is like CART. I also more like
drivers like Mansell and Zanardi than some "profesors ".
But still better drivers goes where bigger money is, and still
Mansell
won F1 champinship only because he was in far superior car.
I'd realy like that you enlighten me, but you didn't. Try again.

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:03:10

You allways have reliability problems if you're trying to
make car faster then it can be. Mercedes is fast enough believe
me. Put MS in Mercedes and you'll have a rocket. MS clearly
isn't in a fastest car like he never was. Otherwise Barrichello
will be in front of DC.
From the day McLaren came to F1 it was allways known
as technicaly most advanced team. Ferrari was known for their
reliability problems.

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:13:56

David G Fisher spoke thus to Mark Seery:

No David, he's a motor racing Fan, unlike you!

by JM » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:40:16

I disagree with the "after williams" nonsense.
He left F1, went west and won, no sign of a Williams...

cheers
John

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:28:27

Usualy will F1 champions go west at the end of their
career. Why didn't he stay in F1 and win more money or
another F1 chanpionship. MS won 3 times and still didn't
go west.

by **Txl** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:44:43

yep, sad for schalke, especially after partying for 5 minutes.....

> If I remember correctly ManU lost the first game, but can't remember the
> winner - must have been a team from South America. But who cares about
this
> "championship" at all? Even the world cup final isn't a very big thing for
> the european teams. It's all about the champions league and it was won by
> Bayern Mnchen.
> But you are right of cause: A lot of players from South America are
playing
> in european teams, two brazilian players are playing for Bayern: Elber and
> Sergio and one from Paraguay (Rocque Santa Cruz) and one from Peru
(Claudio
> Pizarro).
> I was happy that Bayern won the champions league, but unfortunatly they
also
> won the national title in the last seconds of the season and my favourite
> club finished only second. It was a real thriller in those last minutes.

> --
> Have several nice days !!!

> Michael Heymanns
> Team-Manager SRG

> IWSC Champion 2000
> IPSC GT-Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 1999
> TPTCC Champion 2000
> TPTCC Champion 2001

> www.srg-group.de
> www.teamsrg.de
> www.tptcc.de

> 1&1 Profiseller
> www.profiseller.de/shop/P1672791

> > well, that was a FIFA BULLSHIT, nobody uses the title "world champion",
> BTW
> > I dont't even recall who was there and won, and on top of this I recall
> > there were clubs from "everywhere" not just England or Italy or Spain or
> > Brazil (I know there was no french one...)

> > Who won ? just out of curiosity ? MAN Utd ?

> message

> > > writes

> > > >> By all means, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
If
> > > >> you would bother to do some research on the subject, you would know
> > > >> WHY it is called the World Series. Originally, the end-of-season
> > > >> baseball championship was sponsored by a newspaper, the now defunct
> > > >> "New York World". Hence, the name "World Series". As for
basketball

> > > >I didn't know about this point but why do they call themselves WORLD
> > > >champions ??

> > > >I disagree with you about the south american football teams, the
> NATIONAL
> > > >teams are on par with "us" europeans but the clubs are quite below
> > because
> > > >all the best players are over here mostly for financial reasons but
> > > >anyway...

> > > >Let's take the Brazilian team, I don't think many players are
actually
> > > >playing in the brazilian championship (or columbian, or
> argentinian....)

> > > Guess you've forgotten Man Utd's and other Euro club's little visit
last
> > > year for the World Club Championship. Mmm, wonder which club won?
> > > --
> > > Peter Ives
> > > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying
> > > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me
> > > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

by **Stuart Becktel** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:33:55

Look at GPL, those cars work best going sideways, he just did the same thing
in a Champ car....

by **Stuart Becktel** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:37:11

What is so bad about Michigan, Indy, California and C***te? The cars go,
on average, 150 in the turns, going up the track you lose at least 30 mph,
and the cars can easily sastain a 120 MPH hit. Runoff areas are proven that
they work great, or not at all. If the car gets airborne at all, it is in
the wall at a very high speed.
-Stuart Becktell

> Talladega, Michigan, Indy, Daytona, California, C***te. Do you want me
to
> go on? Nearly all ovals are more dangerous than Hockenheim because a
mistake
> means hitting a wall at 150-230 mph whereas F1 usually has lots of run off
> areas.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Two people out of a grid of how many? CART would not have had this
> problem,
> > there cars are designed so they don't have as many CF parts flying
around.
> > IRL is a joke, did you see the indy 500? It took them like 7 accidents
to
> > realize that you shouldn't go below the white line in turn 4. They also
> ask
> > there drivers to slow down if they are leading by too much. NASCAR is
also
> a
> > joke, they red flag the events when they are near the end just for the
> > "racing," or throw a yellow flag at the end because they throw a cup
onto
> > the track. What NASCAR or IRL tracks are as dangerous as Hockinheim?
CART
> > may have some that are close, but I can't think of htem.
> > -Stuart Becktell

> > > David Coultard has said he thinks the race was only stopped because
> > > Schumacher was in front of his home crowd, so there's 2 drivers that
> agree
> > > with me as well as the officials of CART, IRL and NASCAR who would of
> all
> > > put the pace car out, even on much more dangerous tracks than
> Hockenheim.

> > > --

> > > Steve Levett

> > > ------------------

> > > > Hi Gerry,

> > > > > The difference between just losING
> > > > > and being a losER is knowing when you've lost :).

> > > > Well said Gerry :-)

> > > > Achim

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by **Stuart Becktel** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:38:40

The racing in NASCAR sucks, they don't do anything, then just take someone
out. Oval racing is not really F1's first turn, they all basically stay put
in the first turn, they do pass more, but it is not like having a car from
8th on the grid get to 2nd...

> >NASCAR is also a
> > joke, they red flag the events when they are near the end just for the
> > "racing,"

> Don't put me wrong but what's wrong with racing.

> >What NASCAR or IRL tracks are as dangerous as Hockinheim? CART
> > may have some that are close, but I can't think of htem.
> > -Stuart Becktell

> In some other post you said that first turn is most dangerous. In
> oval racing whole race is actualy F1's first turn.

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