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Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:36:53

That is a *very* scary comment.

Jan.
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ymenar

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by ymenar » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:37:31


> Normal is "what most people do"

Gee, good reason enough for NOT going that way.  Unless you like your
typical brainwashed sheep floating down with the herp...

Why should you care?  I'll talk with DGF the way I want.

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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:43:37



> > Normal is "what most people do"

> Gee, good reason enough for NOT going that way.  Unless you like your
> typical brainwashed sheep floating down with the herp...

But that's exactly the way you and your buddies here behave.

David G Fisher

Ian

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by Ian » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:47:51

I'd have to *more or less* totally agree with that assessment :)

I can take or leave a CART or NASCAR race (not to say I don't enjoy them, I
enjoy most motorsport), but I nearly always find F1 races exciting.

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jalo

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by jalo » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:34:01

95% huh? Ok start naming them, I would like to hear of all the other times
he benifitted from debatable decisions.

Txl

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by Txl » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:49:40

Yes, unfortunately you are right...

I am a Marseille supporter and since 93 when they won the champion's league
I must say nothing much has happened.
The problem is that the french clubs are too poor to afford the "famous"
(note I didn't say the good because we have some good "cheap" ones in
France) players, when you see that Madrid paid 500+ Million francs to get
Zidane....it's more than the TOTAL budget of ANY french team...

JM

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by JM » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:50:10


And a statistical truth.
Not to say there's anything wrong with not being normal :)

cheers
John

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:59:38

And prey tell what, exactly what, does the level of technology have to do
with the level of the racing? -What good is high tech when half the field
doesn't see the finish because the gizmo's break down? -What good is high
tech when it makes a double world champion look like a rank amateur on the
grid?

Was that the real or the fantasy version?

What battle?

Nobody was ever in a position to attempt one, proving once more it takes a
large disparity in performance to pull off a clean pass in F1.

Drafting has always been a feature of passes in F1 as well, even in the
early fifties. Anyway, I assume you are referring to Rubens Barichello
driving a much lighter Ferrari around Coulthard twice by denying him his
exit out of the entry to the stadium? -Nice moves indeed, brave moves as
well. Great racing, unfortunately, would have involved Coulthard  not taking
it lying down.

Don't knock something because you lack the insight to appreciate it.

Jan.
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JM

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by JM » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:51:10



> > Normal is "what most people do"

> Gee, good reason enough for NOT going that way.  Unless you like your
> typical brainwashed sheep floating down with the herp...

Then be proud not to be normal!

I don't care about anything except the semantic argument.

cheers
John

ymenar

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by ymenar » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:01:45


> > Why should you care?  I'll talk with DGF the way I want.

> I don't care about anything except the semantic argument.

My "relation" with DGF shouldn't be at all important to your eyes.  It's
between him and me.

LOL

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ymenar

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by ymenar » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:03:58


> But that's exactly the way you and your buddies here behave.

Post proof or retract :)

I mean, I'm one of those supposed GPL-***?  I didn't know that myself.
Haven't raced it in a month except to do 1 lap on those new tracks released.
I don't consider other released sims to be equal to GPL except a few.
There's only a handful of racing sims that have been released in the past
years, therefore it's quite normal that many people who prefer serious
racing simulations continue to race GPL.

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JM

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by JM » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:57:40



I think the idea has merit.  Williams are Michelin's biggest partner in F1,
and Michelin needs every available piece of information possible.  I
understand that the tyre choice lies ultimately with the driver, so JPM's
"mistake" might have been to take the tyres that are poor for qualifying in
lieu of improved race performance- certainly Martin Brundle reminds us at
every race that certain Michelins don't "wear in" until about 14 laps in.
If I recall, JPM was opting for harder compounds than RS- they have to use
the same set of tyres for qualifying as the race, so it's a critical
decision, and arguably one that JPM has not made correctly.  It doesn't
really help you to compare the driving talents of the two drivers, however
(my original point).

They're not "lesser" tyres, as such, they have a strength which is apparent
in race conditions, not qualifying.  I don't know what the level of
commentary and information is where your TV feed comes from, but these are
"facts" mentioned by eg MBrundle, Tony Jardine, James Allen, as part of the
UK ITV F1 coverage.

cheers
John

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:12:11

Impossible as we're a deluded minority, remember?

Jan./ too easy!! ;-)
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PS.: Frank: how did you manage to make that herp/herd typo? -Those keys are
*miles* apart on a keyboard!! (relatively speaking) <g>

Steve Levet

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by Steve Levet » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:14:21

Ferarri has a much better overal car then Williams, it's just that the BMW
has lots of power and that shows at Hockenheim and perhaps Monza but at
other track the Ferarri is far superior. I doubt anyone else here would
agree with your statement there.

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> > Well, who does then?

> BMW has a better car if you take both of them equally (not considering the
> problems each face with mechanical stuff).

> imho.

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by Steve Levet » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:23:41




> > Watching a NASCAR (and CART) is far superior as a spectacle than F1
where
> > you usually get more overtaking in 1 race than you do in a whole F1
> season.

> > --

> > Steve Levett

> I watched a CART round (Canada- Molson) and saw a bunch of yahoos punting
> each other off the road in second rate machinery.
> I watched the Daytona 400 NASCAR, and watched 40 or so anonymous 3rd rate
> saloon cars trundling round

It's pretty ovious you know nothing about oval racing and youd probably say
you find it boring watching cars go round in circles,

 (actual speeds may be high, but relative speeds

Close relative speeds means the cars are racing closely, different relative
speeds means a car will shoot of into the distance means a snorefest a la F1

 sure they didn't stay in the same order,

There are much closer finishes in CART and NASCAR, usually under a couple of
seconds. Most people I know watch the 1st corner in F1 and then do some
work, surf the net etc and have the TV on in the backround.

So you think TOCA 5 years ago was boring?

I'll take turbo charged, non traction controlled cars slipping and sliding
over boring, just floor it and steer F1 cars anyday.

Steve Levett

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