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by **jalo** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:21:55

I think you are missing the "main" reason it was stopped. If they had
continued, there might have been a few tires blown out from all the carbon
fiber shreads they ran over. It wasn't worth the risk. In my opinion it was
a good call. A simular thing happened at last years German race, involving
M. Schumacher, they didn't red flag the race then. It was far more costly in
terms of the championship last year (to M. Schumacher), than this years
race, so the whole idea that it was just for Micheal doesn't make much sense
to me.

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:34:11

> I think races should only be restarted if there is a need for an ambulance
> or the track is completely blocked like the Spa race a few years ago.

Steve, the track _was_ completely blocked, for all practical purposes.

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:38:07

> And here's the JV quote, and I guess what he thinks is un important too?

> Q: What did you see of the incident at the first start?
> JV: I didn't see what happened, but I was surprised when there was a red
> flag,

I have a few races under my belt, and I can honestly say that I don't
think there has been a single occasion when I wasn't surprised to see
the red flag. in fact, a few times I've been so surprised I didn't
even see it on the first pass.

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by **jalo** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:38:01

I hate to break it to you, but Nascar doesn't care if people die, it's all
good for business for them. Unlike American tracks, it would have been very
odd to have a wheel fly into the crowd at Hockenhiem, at the start of a
race. Look at the last 2 races at hockenhiem, 2 major accidents on the first
lap, no one hurt. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it was much
safer to restart the race, than to have cars flying off the track at 220 Mph
due to tyres coming apart.

by **jalo** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:42:05

To be honest with you, I was suprised he said that. I guess he's used to
driving on Firestones.

by **jalo** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:45:37

Give me a break! In Cart they have a tow truck to come and pick up the car
and take it back to the pits. Remember 3 or 4 races ago in the rain? That
was the worst race in history! I'm not even sure I would call it a race,
more like watch the tow truck go around the track.

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:01:24

That's just an excuse. It's not as if it's hard to understand that when you
are racing at Hockenheim you need to be concerned with your engine lasting
the whole race. More importantly, I showed in the section you snipped that
he HASN'T been fast compared to Ralf.

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:07:31

Becaue no one in the world can beat them.

BTW, if enough Americans wanted to dominate soccer world wide, they would.
We have a very large population with a mix of different types of athletes
(huge factor) who receive the highest level of training. We aren't better
people, but we do have the best athletes.

David G Fisher

by **Wayne Hutchiso** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:46:57

While I agree that the race didn't need to be stopped (it's easy to clean up
the track and then have everyone stop for new tires while the safety car is
out), I'm glad they did. When I get up early on Sunday morning to watch
these guys race, I want to see a race. And I want to see Schumacher,
Hakkinen, etc. in the race. This is supposed to be entertaining and since I
don't give two hoots who actually wins, I want to see the best out there.

Wayne Hutchison

> Why should it have been thrown? They would have had about 5 minutes before
> the field would come round again behind the pace car. That would leave
> plently of time to sweep the track. It was only red flagged to let
> Schumacher restart again.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------

> > Of course, there are some(including myself) who are upset that Mika
wasn't
> > given the advantage of a red flag to get in the backup car... :(
> > Granted, I agree the flag should have been thrown today. But, it should
> also
> > have been thrown earlier this season...

> > Eldred
> > --
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> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
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by **Ed Solhei** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:23:50

> > > Funny how all this become when you think about how NASCAR, CART, IRL,
> > > Indy-lights and just about any other racing series in the USA managed
to
> > > clean the track with 'blowers' or manual labour without stopping the
race.
> > > Even on tracks thats no more than 1/5th the length of Hockenheim :-)

> > Just another example of an area where F1 is WAY behind CART etc. Another
> > area being entertainment of course

> Give me a break! In Cart they have a tow truck to come and pick up the car
> and take it back to the pits. Remember 3 or 4 races ago in the rain? That
> was the worst race in history! I'm not even sure I would call it a race,
> more like watch the tow truck go around the track.

- And your point is...??

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by **Thom j** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:30:46

I thought it was only me? :)

| - And your point is...??
| --
| ed_

|
| > > > Funny how all this become when you think about how NASCAR, CART,
IRL,
| > > > Indy-lights and just about any other racing series in the USA
managed
| to
| > > > clean the track with 'blowers' or manual labour without stopping the
| race.
| > > > Even on tracks thats no more than 1/5th the length of Hockenheim
:-)
| > >
| > > Just another example of an area where F1 is WAY behind CART etc.
Another
| > > area being entertainment of course
| >
| > Give me a break! In Cart they have a tow truck to come and pick up the
car
| > and take it back to the pits. Remember 3 or 4 races ago in the rain?
That
| > was the worst race in history! I'm not even sure I would call it a race,
| > more like watch the tow truck go around the track.

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by **Mikkel Gram-Hanse** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:35:55

LOL even in non-simracing matters you still manage to pull the funniest
stuff out of you hat.
The "american bermensch" theory by DGF has herby been let out of the bag...
remember this folks, you saw it here first !

Mikkel

> Becaue no one in the world can beat them.

> BTW, if enough Americans wanted to dominate soccer world wide, they would.
> We have a very large population with a mix of different types of athletes
> (huge factor) who receive the highest level of training. We aren't better
> people, but we do have the best athletes.

> David G Fisher

> >> I didn't know about this point but why do they call themselves WORLD
> > champions ??

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:51:55

What's funny? Everything I said is true.

We don't have a large population? 270 million.

We don't have a mix of different types of athletes? Ever heard of America
being called a "melting pot"?

Our athletes don't receive the highest level of training? Does Denmark train
their athletes better than thye do in the U.S.?

Which on of those points is funny? Come on, be specific. Let's hear exactly
why any one of those points is so funny to you.

BTW, I don't really give a shit if America has the best or the worst
athletes.

Go and play GPL.

David G Fisher

> LOL even in non-simracing matters you still manage to pull the funniest
> stuff out of you hat.
> The "american bermensch" theory by DGF has herby been let out of the
bag...
> remember this folks, you saw it here first !

> Mikkel

> > Becaue no one in the world can beat them.

> > BTW, if enough Americans wanted to dominate soccer world wide, they
would.
> > We have a very large population with a mix of different types of
athletes
> > (huge factor) who receive the highest level of training. We aren't
better
> > people, but we do have the best athletes.

> > David G Fisher

> > >> I didn't know about this point but why do they call themselves WORLD
> > > champions ??

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:00:57

Oooh. Swimming World Championships.

I don't even care how great or crappy U.S. athletes are. For instance, I've
said many times that NASCAR drivers aren't anywhere close to the F1 drivers
in talent.

I don't align myself with any group in order to feel better about myself.
Not the country where I live, a religion.........or a sim <cough>. I don't
respect anyone who does.

Just stating facts about U.S. domination of athletics.

David G Fisher

> >Becaue no one in the world can beat them.

> >BTW, if enough Americans wanted to dominate soccer world wide, they
would.
> >We have a very large population with a mix of different types of athletes
> >(huge factor) who receive the highest level of training. We aren't better
> >people, but we do have the best athletes.

> >David G Fisher

> That must be why you just dominated the Swimming World Championships
> then....

> Ben

by **Ed Solhei** » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:25:37

Go troll somewhere else please...

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