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Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

David G Fishe

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by David G Fishe » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:32:45

Go blow your copy of you know what.

David G Fisher


Ed Solhei

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:25:08

What Dave??
The GPL  I dont use anymore?

Sometimes I'm really wondering if you really are an ass of this magnitude or
just plain stupid.
Cause if this is "just" acting you deserve an OSCAR....  - shoved up
youknowwhere ofcourse!!

ed_

DGF'ed again:

> Go blow your copy of you know what.

> David G Fisher



> > Go troll somewhere else please...

> > --
> > ed_

> > DGF'ed:

> > > Go and play GPL.

> > > David G Fisher

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:35:22

N4 was it.

I haven't forgotten how boring you are.

David G Fisher


> What Dave??
> The GPL  I dont use anymore?

> Sometimes I'm really wondering if you really are an ass of this magnitude
or
> just plain stupid.
> Cause if this is "just" acting you deserve an OSCAR....  - shoved up
> youknowwhere ofcourse!!

> ed_

> DGF'ed again:

> > Go blow your copy of you know what.

> > David G Fisher



> > > Go troll somewhere else please...

> > > --
> > > ed_

> > > DGF'ed:

> > > > Go and play GPL.

> > > > David G Fisher

Gaul

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by Gaul » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:42:42





> >I agree with that, only the NHL in US sports dont consider the winners
world
> >champions.

> NHL is a Canadian sport, they just let americans play in it.

No, it's more like we bought it and import the players.  :-)

(And it's 'zee'!)

Gaul

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Gaul » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:47:01

Not at all true.  Anyone who's rented a hotel room or stopped in a 7-11 in
the US knows better than that.  :-/

Rafe McAulif

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Rafe McAulif » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:15:01

Agree that they needed to red flag the race, way too much debris on
the track. But did you see how MS turned his car onto the middle of
the track? He was headed for the gravel, then turned hard right to end
up in the middle of the track. Obviously an attempt to get the race
red-flagged which didn't work, because they moved his car fairly
quickly. He was lucky that enough debris was spread to bring out the
red flags.

On another point, why didn't he drive right off the track when he
stopped the second time? Very strange thing to do when there's so much
grassed area available.

Rafe Mc


Rafe McAulif

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by Rafe McAulif » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:19:04

We'll check the stats in 12 months time and see how the speeds
compare. 4 years experience makes a hell of a difference.

Rafe Mc

Uwe Schuerka

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by Uwe Schuerka » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:46:58


>You forgot to mention Brundle being world sportscar champion and Taking
>Senna right down to the wire in his F3 days :-)

>MS

Would you guys please quote only relevant parts of the articles you're
replying to?

Thanks,

uwe

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Steve Levet

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by Steve Levet » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:07:48

But if the carbon fibre is razor sharp as the drivers have suggested I
believe a punture would be caused immediately.
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Steve Levet

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by Steve Levet » Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:12:31

David Coultard has said he thinks the race was only stopped because
Schumacher was in front of his home crowd, so there's 2 drivers that agree
with me as well as the officials of CART, IRL and NASCAR who would of all
put the pace car out, even on much more dangerous tracks than Hockenheim.

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Gregor Vebl

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by Gregor Vebl » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:13:45

From www.formula1.com, an interview with Michelin motorsport director
Pierre Duspasquier:

"... Q: Were you worried that the race wouldn't be stopped immediately
after the accident at the first start?

PD: Terrified. The track looked a bit like a battlefield. It would have
been dangerous not to stop the race, because you don't want tyres
picking up pieces of carbon shrapnel when cars are travelling at 350km/h
(217mph). Debris like that tend to be razor-sharp and work their way
slowly into a tyre before causing it to puncture. The race director did
the sensible thing by showing the red flag. "

-Gregor


> But if the carbon fibre is razor sharp as the drivers have suggested I
> believe a punture would be caused immediately.
> --

> Steve Levett

Michael Heymann

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Michael Heymann » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:25:35

Funny thing: Coulthard and Villeneuve were always the "best friends" of
Schumacher. Did you read the interview with the guys from Michelin? If so,
no more questions should be ask about the decision to stop the race.

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> David Coultard has said he thinks the race was only stopped because
> Schumacher was in front of his home crowd, so there's 2 drivers that agree
> with me as well as the officials of CART, IRL and NASCAR who would of all
> put the pace car out, even on much more dangerous tracks than Hockenheim.

> --

> Steve Levett

> ------------------


> > Hi Gerry,

> > > The difference between just losING
> > > and being a losER is knowing when you've lost :).

> > Well said Gerry :-)

> > Achim

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Michael Heymann

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by Michael Heymann » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:43:10

Ok enough is enough: Do you really think that Schumacher would risk his own
life and the life of other drivers to get a race stopped? If you really
think this than we don't have to discuss anymore, because this is just
ridiculous and stupid.

If you have a look at the pictures you'll see that Michael was already in
the middle of the street at the start and the cars were flying on both sides
around him. Lucaiano Burti wasn't able to see Michael, because of a car in
front of him and that's the reason why he hit Michael. After Michael stepped
out of the car the first thing he has done was to ask Burti if everything
was alright with him. The next thing was that he walked back to the pits,
slowly, because he thought the safety car would come out and his race was
over and out. As he noticed that the race was stopped he started to run back
to his crew to get in the T-Car.

It would have been much more dangerous if Michael would have tried to go to
the outside or inside. BTW, why are drivers trying to take their car back to
the pits even when the engine has blown up and oil is running on the track?
In qualify was someone on the track (Jarno Trulli), trying to drive the car
back to the pits and he has chosen the best line to do it. Rubens
Barrichello wasn't very happy about this and he has shown the driver about
his feelings.

It seems whenever Michael does something, it's wrong - no matter what he
does. Why do you people have such a problem with him? Ayrton Senna wasn't an
angel too, but he is known as the best driver in the world. He has done some
stupid things in his career too, but it seems in Michael's case everything
is stupid.
He IS the best driver in the moment and if you have a problem to deal with
it I can't help you. You don't have to like him, but is it too much to ask
for a little respect? Well, it seems it is.
Have you ever talked with Michael Schumacher? Have you ever seen him in
private? All I can say that he is a great driver and that I don't know
enough of the person Michael Schumacher to make my own judgement about him.
Why is it so difficult to respect one of the most succesful drivers in the
history of F1. It seems there are the same problems with Jeff Gordon in
NASCAR. Are they just too succesful?

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> Agree that they needed to red flag the race, way too much debris on
> the track. But did you see how MS turned his car onto the middle of
> the track? He was headed for the gravel, then turned hard right to end
> up in the middle of the track. Obviously an attempt to get the race
> red-flagged which didn't work, because they moved his car fairly
> quickly. He was lucky that enough debris was spread to bring out the
> red flags.

> On another point, why didn't he drive right off the track when he
> stopped the second time? Very strange thing to do when there's so much
> grassed area available.

> Rafe Mc


> >Of course, there are some(including myself) who are upset that Mika
wasn't
> >given the advantage of a red flag to get in the backup car... :(
> >Granted, I agree the flag should have been thrown today.  But, it should
also
> >have been thrown earlier this season...

> >Eldred

Jan Verschuere

Spoiler - Hockenheim GP

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:14:33

<sigh> I'm not saying Ralf is not one of the quickest/most talented drivers
in F1 today. I'm saying it's a mistake to think Montoya isn't on the basis
of his results to date. He has admitted having had trouble getting to grips
with carbon/carbon brakes, but in the same sentence said he was now ready to
take on the best Ralf could throw at him. An attitude highly incompatible
with upshifting early, methinks.<g>

Then again, a lot of drivers have shown great promise and never really
delivered, so you might get your "I told you so"-moment. In this case that
doesn't seem very likely to me, but it's possible.

Jan.
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Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:29:26

So eh... how many American athletes have won the Boston/New York marathon
lately?

And what about the pole vault, the shot put, etc.... ?

Only things Americans excell at are showcase events like the 100m and
4x100m, which is a good strategy as these people intend to make a good
living out of a career which, through physical constraints, can't last very
long. Therefore they also excell at selling themselves when they win. Not
very gracious, not very in tune with the phylosophy behind the sport, but
effective. They even got you believing they win everything.

Jan.
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