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John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:41:31

  What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ?

  Thanks.

-John

jlohma

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by jlohma » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:50:54

I don't know. But I find it odd that Ferrari has had 2 out of 3 failures on
Rubens supposedly reliable car.

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:57:16

  Yes, plus the wondering what his fuel strategy was, fuel flap open, etc.
  Makes me wonder if he isn't being used as an r & D project, even though he
was running last years chassis in Brazil.

  -John


Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:31:50


  The official at the track word was hydraulics...since that would/should
cause imeadiate lockup of multiple systems, I don't think that plausible.
Methinks fuel is the culprit and the Red team is trying to NOT look
unprofessional.
dave henrie

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:36:38



> >   What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ?

  Even Reubans is toeing the company line however...from the dailyF1 site...

RUBENS BARRICHELLO
We had opted for a different strategy to Michaels as, starting from the
fourth row, it was the best chance of making up places in the early stages
of the race. Everything was going well and I managed to get into the lead
and given the combination of strategies, I think I could have ended up on
the podium. Unfortunately, my car developed an hydraulic problem and I had
to retire.

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:05:47

  Thanks Dave............I still smell dinosaur shit fumes<G>

-John




> > >   What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ?

>   Even Reubans is toeing the company line however...from the dailyF1
site...

> RUBENS BARRICHELLO
> "We had opted for a different strategy to Michael's as, starting from the
> fourth row, it was the best chance of making up places in the early stages
> of the race. Everything was going well and I managed to get into the lead
> and given the combination of strategies, I think I could have ended up on
> the podium. Unfortunately, my car developed an hydraulic problem and I had
> to retire.

Dale Gree

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by Dale Gree » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:58:34




> >   What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ?

> >   Thanks.

> > -John
>   The official at the track word was hydraulics...

I thought that was a bit odd as Rubino's fuel flap was open.  My first
thought was that he hit the pit-lane speed limiter button and stalled the
car.  Kinda like what both Jordan (???) cars did a few years ago (Frentzen
and Hill???) in the same race.

Unless the flap opens in some sort of limp mode when the car suffers a
system failure..

Dale.

Bart Westr

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by Bart Westr » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:17:50


On Dutch TV the commentator said the flap opening is related to the car
going slow, not to how much fuel is in the tank.

Bart Westra

Rafe McAuliff

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by Rafe McAuliff » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:34:46

I understood the connection to be with the speed limiter, so when the
limiter was on, the flap opened.

Very odd though, unless the hydraulics keeps the flap closed.

Rafe Mc





>> Unless the flap opens in some sort of limp mode when the car suffers a
>> system failure..

>On Dutch TV the commentator said the flap opening is related to the car
>going slow, not to how much fuel is in the tank.

>Bart Westra

Douglas Elliso

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by Douglas Elliso » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:31:50

Would take one failure on the other car and it'd be odd that Michael would
have 2 out of 3 failures.

Doug

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:32:52


  Just caught a tape of the Speedchannel news.  Steve Machet the former
Bennetton mechanic was also thinking fuel...
dave henrie

Nic

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by Nic » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 04:19:16

The flap opens when the driver hits the limiter, yes. If there was a
hyrdaulic problem, why did he drive the entire infield section in a
vain attempt to recover to the pits? And why, when MS called up Ross
Brawn on his slowing down lap to congratulate the team (as heard on
digital tv), did this happen:

Michael "What happened to Rubens"
Ross "I don't want to say on the TV, I'll tell you later"

I think a hydraulic problem on a car which was being used for the last
ever time would not be such a ***.

Yeah, he ran out of fuel all right...

Nick.

Mark Seer

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by Mark Seer » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:05:43

Hence the fact that he was weaving from side to side in an effort to get the
fumes to the engine.

MS

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:20:48

   a Few years ago it would have been EASIER to spot a hydraulics
failure....Back when they had active suspension, wouldn't the entire car
drop to the ground from HF?
dave henrie

Dan Belch

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by Dan Belch » Thu, 04 Apr 2002 07:53:40

Sounds fun going through Eau Rouge at 185 mph . . .  :)

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