rec.autos.simulators

by **Marty** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:25:28

> I'm soooooooo sorry. This is all my fault. I was the one that injected
> politics into an otherwise polite discussion of the virtual world vs.
> reality. We oughtta have a rule like the one at my family's dinner table:
> no POLITICS and no RELIGION. Can we all agree on that?

No. The unwillingness of good people to look greed and corruption in the
face and speak up, as if dirty politics doesn't effect them, is the
American cultural sickness that has got us into a bogus war for oil and
fear, roll back of environmental protection if it stands in the crony
corporate profit, new ways for big government to invade our private
lives, etc., etc., etc.

But I take your point Steve, there is a time and place for everything.
But I'm not sure it is necessarily inappropriate here where the subject
is otherwise about entertainment through a simulated experience, as much
as I love it too.

Besides, how else would we come to know what a right-wing loon Randy is?

Marty

by **Marty** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:32:27

>>>In this country, John, hatchbacks are considered down around the ankles
>>>as
>>>far as style, class, and taste are concerned;

>><splutter>

>>I openly weep for the evolution of our species. So you're telling me that
>>as I sit at the lights in my Lancia Delta Integrale, your average
>>knuckle-scraping, SUV-driving, Bush-voting moron is going to think *he*
>>has the automotive class, and *I* have the "Elvis on velvet"?

> Most would simply shake their head at your "furrin" car.

> Then again, those in the know would probably still shake their head and
> wonder why you would put up with such a tempermental car. I had considered
> an Integrale Evo for a while, but couldn't come to grips with the various
> electrical issues, or ultimately with the rather sad image the car has here
> in Switzerland. The Escort Cossie, Sport Quattro and Integrale were all
> awesome rally machines, no doubt, but just too wild for daily use (IMHO) and
> although in a whole different league than the Manta/Camaro/Capri of old
> days, still a modern "mullet-head" car (even if the modern equivalent driver
> doesn't have a mullet). I'm not saying this is a justly deserverd
> reputation, but it seems to be the case - for every driver who appreciates
> the rally heritage and dynamic talents of the Integrale, there are 10
> hooligans who just like to make the wastegate go Whoop-Whoop while eyeing
> the ladies from their slammed-to-the-floor Sparco seat. I prefer more of a
> Q-ship, or a classic roadster. For my tastes, the current generation of
> Subaru STis and Mitsu Evos are also just a little too boy racer for me.

> But I diverge. The sad thing is that Americans don't appreciate the
> hatchback anymore...

> Stephen

VW Golf R32....

Yum.

Marty

by JP » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:24:38

> > > I'm continually baffled that you can't grasp the simple concept of
> > > innocence and guilt. What crime has Terri Schaivo commited that earns
> > > her a death penalty? What crime is an unborn infant guilty of? I'm
> > > not sure why the concept of not punishing the innocent is so baffling
> > > to you...but that will remain one of the mysteries of life.

> > So I presume you stood against Madelaine Albright's view that the
> > killing of half a million children in Iraq was "a price worth paying"?
> > Terri Schiavo, in comparison, is not even worthy of mention.

> > Sometimes Stalin really did say it best

> Cite for the Albright quote ?

Didn't think so. Figures.

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by **Stephen F** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:03:59

Wait until you see the next-gen Golf GTI which VW will send to the states in
2006. We already have it here. It's a back-to-basics car (as much as is
possible in an era of airbags, ABS, ESP, crush zones, necessary comfort
etc.) which makes the old R32 really look like the overweight cruiser it
was. A healthy and reliable 200hp from a blown 2.0L, and bags of torque as
early as 1800rpm. Available with the DSG transmission (double clutch,
uninterrupted power on upshifts) and the first decent suspension in a long
time from VW. Very nice machine, and likely to rekindle the North American
interest in hatchbacks to some degree.

Stephen

p.s. A shame you won't see the Ford Focus ST... it will be another killer
car. Not to mention the crazy 180hp Seat *turbodiesel* Ibiza which has more
torque than a locomotive. Or the Civic Type R.

by **Asgeir Nesoe** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:30:28

Oh, so you don't have arguments, thus unable to debate. Very well. I knew that.

You fit perfectly my impression of the vast majority of americans.

---A---

> Randy

>>Truth hurts sometimes. Not all have the guts to face it.

> Particularly people like you, just off the mothership. How's Elvis,
> btw? Send my greetings on one of your next trips home.

> Randy

by **Asgeir Nesoe** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:40:49

Now, instead of being blind and deaf, why don't you listen to what John actually
said? He said: "Sometimes Stalin really did say it best".

I am sure Stalin said a lot of good things, and he may even have put it well.
But that doesn't make him a better person, of course, but that was never the
intention of john's either.

Some people hear "Stalin", and their petty minds start shortcutting and sizzle,
and their minds just produce ***and bollocks.

---Asgeir---

> This one little sentence speaks volumes and shows us exactly who John
> Wallace is. And what an ugly view it is....

> Stalin and Saddam both hero's while GW is the anti-christ?

> Sad..

> Mitch

>>Sometimes Stalin really did say it best.

by **Asgeir Nesoe** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:20:28

Albright used this number in a specific question concerning the trade blockade
herself.

People die when they suffer from ground water radiation and don't get medical
care due to no medication available, you know.

The blockade was the most ghastly treatment of the iraqui people, since the only
victims were the ones completely without guilt whatsoever.

---A---

> Where do you get "half a million children" from?

by **Asgeir Nesoe** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:28:22

Try this:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Human_Rights/Iraqs_children.html

Or this:
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0311c.asp

Or this:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

The only thing you have to do is to open your eyes.

---A---

>>>>I'm continually baffled that you can't grasp the simple concept of
>>>>innocence and guilt. What crime has Terri Schaivo commited that earns
>>>>her a death penalty? What crime is an unborn infant guilty of? I'm
>>>>not sure why the concept of not punishing the innocent is so baffling
>>>>to you...but that will remain one of the mysteries of life.

>>>So I presume you stood against Madelaine Albright's view that the
>>>killing of half a million children in Iraq was "a price worth paying"?
>>>Terri Schiavo, in comparison, is not even worthy of mention.

>>>Sometimes Stalin really did say it best

>> Cite for the Albright quote ?

> Didn't think so. Figures.

by JP » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:59:20

> Albright used this number in a specific question concerning the trade
blockade
> herself.

> People die when they suffer from ground water radiation and don't get
medical
> care due to no medication available, you know.

> The blockade was the most ghastly treatment of the iraqui people, since
the only
> victims were the ones completely without guilt whatsoever.

> ---A---

> > Where do you get "half a million children" from?

To bad Iraq invaded Kuwait then, eh ? Never would have happened if not.

by JP » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:07:50

I'd suggest you open yours. But thanks for verifying the quote, with the
second and third link. First one didn't at all.

As to the quote, so ? You read her other remarks, right ? Didn't think
so.

And again, and how did/who's fault was it that the sanction come about ?
Put the tin beenie down, and try a thinking cap.

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:41

Some people hear 'Stalin' and think of 20+ million people starved to
death. It is kind of hard to have warm-fuzzy thoughts about anyone such as
he. So he may have been a good administrator, he may have been a fine
public works politician, he may have had many fine qualities...but the
HORROR of his policies completely outweigh ANY thoughts anyone should have
of this man.
The fact you seem to admire him Ziggy...is frightening.

dave(call me petty, I'd choose that over being a Stalinist ANYDAY)henrie

by JP » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:13:40

p.s. If you're so concerned about "ghastly treatment of the Iraqi (learn
how to spell) people", interesting you don't seem to bothered by the UN
oil/food scam. The $ was there to take care of the Iraqi's ya know.
Or do you ? Doubt it.

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:10:28

> > Albright used this number in a specific question concerning the trade
> blockade
> > herself.

> > People die when they suffer from ground water radiation and don't get
> medical
> > care due to no medication available, you know.

> > The blockade was the most ghastly treatment of the iraqui people, since
> the only
> > victims were the ones completely without guilt whatsoever.

> > ---A---

> p.s. If you're so concerned about "ghastly treatment of the Iraqi (learn
> how to spell) people", interesting you don't seem to bothered by the UN
> oil/food scam. The $ was there to take care of the Iraqi's ya know.
> Or do you ? Doubt it.

If you're going to correct other people's spelling and/or grammar
mistakes, especially in a post from a person who clearly doesn't have
English as his first language, you should proof read your message before
you post it

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by JP » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:20:27

> > > Albright used this number in a specific question concerning the trade
> > blockade
> > > herself.

> > > People die when they suffer from ground water radiation and don't get
> > medical
> > > care due to no medication available, you know.

> > > The blockade was the most ghastly treatment of the iraqui people,
since
> > the only
> > > victims were the ones completely without guilt whatsoever.

> > > ---A---

> > p.s. If you're so concerned about "ghastly treatment of the Iraqi
(learn
> > how to spell) people", interesting you don't seem to bothered by the UN
> > oil/food scam. The $ was there to take care of the Iraqi's ya know.
> > Or do you ? Doubt it.

> If you're going to correct other people's spelling and/or grammar
> mistakes, especially in a post from a person who clearly doesn't have
> English as his first language, you should proof read your message before
> you post it

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

If you're got the time and desire to ***into other people's thread, to
give advice on giving advice, how about you do it for me ?

by **Mitch_** » Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:58:25

I hope you realize that statement makes you look like an IDIOT???

impression of the vast majority of americans.

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