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>> The truth comes out:  Socialist

>> Bill Bollinger
>> www.gsxn.com

> Well, the facts seem to say otherwise.

> "Overall, this level of creation represents the worst job performance
> since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began collecting monthly jobs data in
> 1939 (at the end of the Great Depression"

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Of course it's not all bad news. Corporate profits are souring.

> Marty

> Get YOUR facts straight.

>> Well John, what you FAIL to quantify is how much Americans give FREELY
>> and not through Government Control.  While you guys need someone at the
>> top to command you to give, we as a general rule give FREELY as
>> Americans.  Your numbers only count for Government Aid, not what is given
>> in total by American citizens.  The next time you imply that Americans as
>> a general rule are STINGY, get your facts straight.

>> BTW, Just through our GOVERNAMENT not including our citizens, we give 60
>> TIMES ($58 Billion more in total) more than Denmark does in forein aid.
>> BTW, our country does not have 60 times more citizens than Denmark and
>> Denmark has a higher GDP per capita than America... Therefore, based upon
>> the higher GDP per capita why isn't Denmark contributing more?

>> Bill Bollinger
>> www.gsxn.com

>>>>Somehow you can just blind yourself of anything good the US has ever

>>>done.

>>>>Do we make mistakes?  Of course we do.  But we also contribute much more
>>>>than weve taken unlike a majority of the free world.

>>>Sorry Mitch, that just isn't true

>>>The UN set a target of 0.7% of GDP should be given as aid - this target
>>>was recently increased in response to public demands to resolve the
>>>tragedies occurring daily in Africa.

>>>Top of the foreign aid league is Denmark (1.01% of GDP), and Sweden,
>>>Norway and the Netherlands also meet the target. The US gives 0.1% of GDP
>>>as aid, as former President Carter described, "we are the stingiest
>>>nation of all". We're little better, Britain gives just 0.34%.

>>>In the last foreign aid bill passed in the US, 75 million was passed for
>>>aif to poor countries (this amounts to one tenth the cost of a B-52!). In
>>>the same budget, 1.3 *BILLION* was approved to support the Colombian
>>>military (who have one of the world's worst records for human rights
>>>violations).

>>>>Im not saying this in
>>>>an egotistical way Im saying this in defensive way.  The US (despite

>>>your

>>>>clouded nonsense) is a great country and a great collection of people

>>>that

>>>>want the best for the World and everyone in it.

>>>Mitch, I *truly* believe that is what you and most US people want, and
>>>it's a fantastic sentiment. However that is not what is happening.

> I'd have thought it was obvious after a lifetime on usenet, that you will
> never change the other person's view, and if you set out with that in mind
> you are just wasting your time. Geberally the fruitful discussions are
> those that elicit sufficient quality of response that you can challenge
> your OWN beliefs and learn something new for yourself. That at least is
> what I hope for.

>> Yah, because that SOCIALIST Society you live in is so great at expanding
>> the quality of life </sarcasm>.  Hmmm, wonder how many jobs have been
>> created in that Socialist Leaning Western Europe over the past 20 years?
>> Let's just say we have created more jobs in the past 5 years than all of
>> Western Europe has in the past 20 years.

>> The truth comes out:  Socialist

>> Bill Bollinger
>> www.gsxn.com

>>>>I know that the US generally think that the high oil prices are OPEC's
>>>>fault, yes. But it is not. And it is soooo pathetic watching the
>>>>brooding and pouting: "They won't pump enough oil so that we can use
>>>>*way, *way* more than we have ourselves for the prices that we want.
>>>>Booohoooooooo!"

>>>>JFYI, this is just the lovely, lovely mechanisms of capitalism: Demand
>>>>and Availability. LOL!!!

>>>>I eagerly await the times when oil is so expensive that you americans
>>>>will have to let your SUV in the garage and take the bus to work. I
>>>>*eagerly* await it! And it is not that far off in the future either!!!

>>>>Gas prices are escalating as well, and have reached a point in US where
>>>>people start converting to other heating sources. However, this is not
>>>>OPEC's fault, simply because they don't control the market. The prices
>>>>get high because everyone needs it, there is less and less of it, and US
>>>>is the biggest consumer on the planet. And while you americans are
>>>>concerned with your oil prices, this planet goes to rot, and you ignore
>>>>the facts like ignorant heedless children do.

>>>Amen, well said.

>>>Ram the free market down everyone's throat, then scream and moan when
>>>supply and demand pushed oil over $1/gallon. (Then just "fix it" by
>>>invading Iraq, Iran (oops, sorry, not yet), change Afghanistan
>>>government, etc.

>>>By the way, when you guys go to invade Iran, I'm *really, really* sorry
>>>about all the chemical weapons we Brits sold them. Just in case that is
>>>used as a justification (WMDs and all that), we sold them to Iram after
>>>(9/11). I know Bush was talking about "axis of evil" and all that, but
>>>money is money, y'know...

>> >   What's wrong with corporate profits ?  Just curious is all.

>> New Motorola CEO fired 38,000 people, and got 38 million dollars as his
>> reward for a year's work.

>> Nothing is wrong with profit, but if you think that is good for you as a
>> worker, I can only say good luck to you.

>   <shrug>  Maybe.  One thing for certain; a corporation NOT making a
> profit
> isn't good for workers.  I.e., Motorola, I would bet (not having looked at
> their details).

>> >>>  What's wrong with corporate profits ?  Just curious is all.

>> >>New Motorola CEO fired 38,000 people, and got 38 million dollars as his
>> >>reward for a year's work.

>> >>Nothing is wrong with profit, but if you think that is good for you as
>> >>a
>> >>worker, I can only say good luck to you.

>> >    <shrug>  Maybe.  One thing for certain; a corporation NOT making a
> profit
>> > isn't good for workers.  I.e., Motorola, I would bet (not having looked
> at
>> > their details).

>> No profits is surely worse! <g>  However there is surely an element of
>> "how much is enough"? What is the CEO going to do with 38 million that
>> he couldn't have done with 28 million? Or 18 million?

>   Definately.

>> In Scandinavia CEOs get poaid, on average, 11 times more than the
>> average salary in their company. Across Europe it's a little higher, but
>> less than twenty times more is typical.

>> In the US it's 300 times more.

>> At what point does it become greed, and should we ever think that is bad?

>  Agreed.   One of my "sore points" also, in the current day.  Don't know
> if
> your numbers are correct, but that's irrelevant, as overall, the general
> situation does exist.

> Just for discussion sake, what if you do like their products, but they're
> all outsourced to China and the CEO takes 100 million dollars?

> Is there a point at which a halt should be called, or does the old
> "Reaganomics" apply, of what's good for the money markets is good for the
> country?

>> Still, my land is equally bad, so I have little to smile about
>> on that score.

> Ah, but only four weeks or so to go until we can put a big dent into
> Blair's majority. If it drops enough Brown will be able to make his move
> and life might get interesting again. We can but hope!

> Andrew McP

>> Read your statement back to yourself. You are talking about the deaths
>> of MILLIONS of human beings. You are talking about more than FIVE
>> THOUSAND Iraqi children dying every DAY. Imagine if that was happening
>> in the US, and I said "oh it's thousands eh? <wink> - I'd be rightly
>> pilloried for it.