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Marty

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by Marty » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:12:14

Hmmm... www.freerepublic.com

Thanks, I'll add that to my reference list of sources of extremest
right-wing drivel.

Marty


> Hopefully this exerpt isn't too 'dry' for you to follow, but read it
> carefully if you dare:

> --------------------
> AT THIS POINT, ONE might expect a discussion of how John Marshall in
> Marbury v. Madison declared the Court to be the final arbiter of the
> Constitution. Kramer, however, shows that this standard interpretation
> of Marbury is erroneous. At most, Marbury stands for the proposition
> that the Court may make reference the Constitution when deciding a
> case. In 1803, this was not a given. We must remember that in the
> British system only Parliament could make constitutional
> interpretations. Parliament was the ultimate sovereign and, to
> paraphrase Blackstone, could make or unmake any law as it saw fit. The
> Marbury Court simply recognized that because the people are the
> ultimate sovereigns in America, all three coordinate branches may refer
> to the people's fundamental law when carrying out their assigned
> constitutional duties. Had Marshall declared the Supreme Court to be
> the final arbiter, President Jefferson would likely have had him sent
> to the federal gaol.

> In essence, Marshall's Marbury opinion simply articulated the doctrine
> of "departmentalism" favored by the Jeffersonian Republicans.
> Departmentalist theory is perhaps best examined in the context of
> President Jefferson's approach to the Sedition Act. Upon entering
> office, Jefferson ordered the cessation of all federal sedition
> prosecutions and he pardoned those who had been convicted. In 1804,
> Jefferson received a letter from Abigail Adams criticizing his handling
> of the Sedition Act controversy. Mrs. Adams argued that because the
> judges had upheld the Sedition Act, President Jefferson had overstepped
> his constitutional bounds when terminating prosecutions and pardoning
> offenders.

> In a polite response, Jefferson reminded Mrs. Adams that "nothing in
> the constitution has given [the judges] the right to decide for the
> executive, more than the Executive to decide for them." Both branches,
> continued Jefferson, "are equally independent in the sphere assigned to
> them." Jefferson recognized that the judges, "believing the law
> constitutional, had a right to pass a sentence of fine and
> imprisonment, because that power was placed in their hands by the
> constitution." However, this did not bind him when performing his
> duties as chief executive. Because he believed the Sedition Act was
> unconstitutional, he "was bound to remit the execution of it."

> Jefferson, like Madison in his Report to the ***ia House of
> Delegates on the Sedition Act, denied that the judiciary was the final
> arbiter of the Constitution. To give any one "co-equal" branch such a
> power would make it "despotic." Of course, a final arbiter is needed if
> the branches cannot reach an accommodation on certain issues. And for
> Jefferson this ultimate power resided in the people of the several
> states -- the ultimate sovereigns in the American system. By using the
> ballot box or meeting in convention, the people would settle all
> disputed constitutional questions.
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rmagrude

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by rmagrude » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:19:34

could last fifty years or more?>>

I wasn't aware that*** Cheney launched the attacks on 9/11 (or is
that a *** you also hold?)

back of civil liberties, the bill of liberties in the US, trial by jury
over here.

I realize you don't live in the USA, but I'm wondering just what civil
liberties you claim we've lost?  Can you name even a single case where
some innocent American has lost any civil rights because of this
administration?

peddling tobacco and fat/sugar laden ***for the populace to later die
from.

And undboutedly they are over here forcing our mouths open and making
us eat every bite.  They are just coming into our homes at dinner times
and prying open our mouths and ***ing us.  Every seller needs a
buyer.  Not sure why you remove free choice from the equation.  You're
not one of those victim mentality types who think that we aren't
responsible for anything we do, that we're all just victims of
corporations?  Sounds kinda like you are...

effects of poverty, but our efforts to do anything about that are
pitiful.

What left wing web site did you get those figures from?  And what did
you do to ensure that the figures were indeed accurate?

shells

I'll be looking for your objective citation backing this up as well.

under the embargo, despite the UN resolution specifically allowing such
***. >>

Hey Saddam managed  to buy weaponry from the French and Russians during
the embargo...why didn't he buy medicine if the 'evil' US and Britain
were stopping him.  I'm sure the French and Russians would have happily
sold some to him for the proper oil-for-food profits to corrupt
individuals (why is it that the left never acknowledges that the
French, Russians and Germans were on the take from Saddam, and that
Saddam's oil-for-food money was not getting to his own population - but
I suppose you'll just deny that, too).

The whole *** thing is not only tired, it's also completely
illogical and isn't borne out by reality.  Those claiming Bush is dumb
as a stump now credit him for somehow concocting and scheming world
domination - saying one or the other depending upon what day of the
week it is, how they feel, whether there's a full moon, etc.  Then
there's*** Cheney, you know, also known as Beelzebub.  You just
vilify and make him the Dark Prince, and it really doesn't matter to
you whether your charges actually make any sense.  As long as they make
you feel good and give you a human target against which to direct your
seething hatred, I guess that's okay....it's what is to be expected for
a person who lives in a country that gets its news from the BBC).
("the Biased British Communist" network)

Usually the more people vilify Bush and Cheney as Hitler, pro-corporate
or whatever, the more unhinged I'm convinced they have become.

Randy

rmagrude

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by rmagrude » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:24:18

people are increasingly willing to speak up and take politics
seriously>>

How is that possible, since all of our civil liberties have been
stripped away by*** Cheney.  What prison cell are you writing this
from?  I didn't know they had Internet access in Cheney's Liberal
internment camps?

Whenever you say "Bush's neo-fascism" I just smile the patient smile of
someone dealing with the mentally challenged.  I'd ask you to try
thinking things through rationally and try to set hatred aside, but my
guess is that hatred and bitterness just feel good to you, so go ahead
and wallow in them.

As for making me angry, you're not making me angry, you are amusing me
in a pathetic kind of way.  I'd love to see the results of a
psychological study of lefties who are upset because their continued
attempts to banish God from society and turn the US into another Cuba
keep getting thwarted at the ballot box.  The more unhinged you guys
get, the bigger the Republican majority gets.  If you libs were smart,
you'd actually try to persuade people of your opinion without getting
into all the neo-fascism cliches.  People might actually listen to you
if you toned down the rhetoric and showed some degree of rationality.
Instead you post your 'manifestos' and people just tune you out as
another of Stalin's "useful idiots".

Randy

rmagrude

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by rmagrude » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:25:29

Dave,

Sorry, man...we'll get back to sims - I guess he just caught me not in
the mood to tolerate the manifestos.

After today I will no longer reply to John & Marty's manifestos, okay?

Randy

Steve Smit

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by Steve Smit » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:49:38

I'm soooooooo sorry.  This is all my fault.  I was the one that injected
politics into an otherwise polite discussion of the virtual world vs.
reality.  We oughtta have a rule like the one at my family's dinner table:
no POLITICS and no RELIGION.  Can we all agree on that?




> [...]

> I was looking forward to seeing one of auto sim worlds most
> esteemed denizens contributing some welcome insight on the sim
> world.  Instead ...

> Oh well.

> Back to rec.autos.simulators.OT.political.opinionated.drivel (from
> all sides)  ...

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:56:30


    So what parts of that were confirmed lies? When do the slander suits
begin - overshadowed by Michael Jackson case?

JP

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by JP » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:35:12



> > I'm continually baffled that you can't grasp the simple concept of
> > innocence and guilt.  What crime has Terri Schaivo commited that earns
> > her a death penalty?  What crime is an unborn infant guilty of?  I'm
> > not sure why the concept of not punishing the innocent is so baffling
> > to you...but that will remain one of the mysteries of life.

> So I presume you stood against Madelaine Albright's view that the
> killing of half a million children in Iraq was "a price worth paying"?
> Terri Schiavo, in comparison, is not even worthy of mention.

> Sometimes Stalin really did say it best

  Cite for the Albright quote ?
JP

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by JP » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:36:52



> >>By the way, it's "allusion".

> >    Gee, thanks Mom.

> >   But at the same time, to be expected.

> Yes, I'd imagined you would by now have become accustomed to people
> correcting you.

  <laughter>

  Whoosh, right over the top of his head.

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:38:17


    LOL. Love democracy - a bunch of people who know nothing about
leadership voting for a bunch of people who know nothing about leadership -
even ***es get to vote which means there is no possibilty of anyone with
any balls and brains getting a say in anything - thus the current inevitable
crop of ***s at the helm of every political party.

    rotfl

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:45:50



>> Don't worry, there are people even WORSE than Marty, like that French
>> author who claims that 9/11 didn't really happen, and even if it did,
>> it must've been those Israeli agents on adjacent buildings
>> choreographing the whole thing.

> You have to admit though, the French guy has a shred of a point. I'm far
> from saying he's right, but I've never seen a plane disappear into a hole
> smaller than itself, nor leave any trace of wreckage, bodies, seats,
> luggage, or any of the other debris we've all seen in every other plane
> crash.

> It *is* wierd

    You never saw that engine on the street? Did man really land on the
moon?

    I saw it (911) happen live - looked pretty real to me.

Dav

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by Dav » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:03:01


Hey, I'm just surprised that you didn't tell me to take a flying
leap.  But since we're talking deals, how about throwing in a GT4
review too :-)

Dav

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by Dav » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:05:25


Still leaves SEX, right?

Okay, everyone Kumbaya time ...

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:11:34



>> Mitch - this ain't the place for politics, but democracy says you
>> can't just remove people you don't like. Look on any newsreel footage
>> of Iraq, Saddam got a whole load more support than Bush or Blair get
>> at home.

> Um, yeah, that's because our ballots don't have two options:

>  [  ] Saddam Hussein
>  [  ] please*** my wife in front of me and torture me to death

> My guess is that option 1 is probably going to get a lot more votes :)

    LOL - that's what i was gunna say.

    No doubt, Hussein needed to be booted. But the manner in which it has
been done has been pathetic. Bush talks to much and buys into too many
idiotic viewpoints and agendas/reasoning. He and others needed to stick to
the key point - Hussein was an arsehole with a lot of power - the whole
chemical weapons thing was a joke. Bush1 and Bush 2 have basically flushed
shitloads of taxpayer dollars down the toilet in the name of accomplishing a
basic task in a hopeless manner. With images of tortured prisoners with
*** overtones at the hands of U.S. troops who look like they'd be
right at home*** out with Hussein's son, the whole thing is just a big
joke. Those soldiers needed to be lined up against a wall and shot.

    M***to the story - might has won the day with one bunch of dogs
replacing another.

Stephen F

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by Stephen F » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:12:26



>> In this country, John, hatchbacks are considered down around the ankles
>> as
>> far as style, class, and taste are concerned;

> <splutter>

> I openly weep for the evolution of our species. So you're telling me that
> as I sit at the lights in my Lancia Delta Integrale, your average
> knuckle-scraping, SUV-driving, Bush-voting moron is going to think *he*
> has the automotive class, and *I* have the "Elvis on velvet"?

Most would simply shake their head at your "furrin" car.

Then again, those in the know would probably still shake their head and
wonder why you would put up with such a tempermental car.  I had considered
an Integrale Evo for a while, but couldn't come to grips with the various
electrical issues, or ultimately with the rather sad image the car has here
in Switzerland.  The Escort Cossie, Sport Quattro and Integrale were all
awesome rally machines, no doubt, but just too wild for daily use (IMHO) and
although in a whole different league than the Manta/Camaro/Capri of old
days, still a modern "mullet-head" car (even if the modern equivalent driver
doesn't have a mullet).  I'm not saying this is a justly deserverd
reputation, but it seems to be the case - for every driver who appreciates
the rally heritage and dynamic talents of the Integrale, there are 10
hooligans who just like to make the wastegate go Whoop-Whoop while eyeing
the ladies from their slammed-to-the-floor Sparco seat.  I prefer more of a
Q-ship, or a classic roadster.  For my tastes, the current generation of
Subaru STis and Mitsu Evos are also just a little too boy racer for me.

But I diverge.  The sad thing is that Americans don't appreciate the
hatchback anymore...

Stephen

Steve Smit

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by Steve Smit » Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:07:45

No one at MY family's dinner table ever THOUGHT to talk abt. sex...or
***...or rock & roll...or even tobacco or booze.  Or maybe they never had
the BALLS (now that mysogeny is outta the closet in this discussion).




> >I'm soooooooo sorry.  This is all my fault.  I was the one that injected
> >politics into an otherwise polite discussion of the virtual world vs.
> >reality.  We oughtta have a rule like the one at my family's dinner
table:
> >no POLITICS and no RELIGION.  Can we all agree on that?

> Still leaves SEX, right?

> Okay, everyone Kumbaya time ...


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