Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
Subject: Nascar 4 Racing (PAPY) BANNED ME FROM RACING ONLINE!!!
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The people at Papy Racing has now been banning people TOTALLY from
racing online... if you are caught intentionally wrecking somone, they
will ban your cd key which will not allow you to play online AT ALL.
The offline version AI is so terrible... the online version is the
only thing worth a ***to play.
Anyways, I was pleading my case on the papy webpage Nascar 4
Forum...and they banned me from there calmly stating the facts as to
what they call "wrecking".
here's their rules:
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Guidelines For Reporting NASCAR? Racing 4
Multiplayer Intentional Wrecking*
*Please read this entire document thoroughly before you consider
reporting an incident of intentional wrecking.
In an effort to give the NASCAR? Racing 4 multiplayer user an avenue
to report incidents of intentional wrecking, we will take reports if
all guidelines are met that are outlined in this document. You will
need to make sure that your report is of intentional wrecking and NOT
the result of incidents related to accidents caused by warp, unskilled
drivers, or plain old "racing incidents".
Because we only have a small amount of time to devote to reviewing
these reports, if we end up getting flooded with reports that are not
incidents of intentional wrecking, we will be forced to discontinue
this line of communication. So, please make sure that your report is
legitimate. If it is determined that a report is not legitimate, we
will no longer accept reports from that individual.
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Well makes sense to me (even though I ALWAYS thought banning people to
race their game online was not good business practice and bad
morally).
So I emailed papy to ask why I was banned since I have NEVER IN MY
LIFE in a multiplayer game intentionally gone after to wreck someone.
Ya see, in this game they have built in a nice Ratings feature...
where the better driver you are.. you have a higher ranking 0-10 and
LPI (laps per incident). My ratings were VERY high for both... which
that should have triggered them into knowing I am not a wrecker.
Anyways, they responded, very rudely I might add (i still have the
emails)... and at least they were kind enough to send me the replay
from which they banned me from.
As I go home and watch the replay (which I still have if ANYONE WANTS
TO VIEW IT)... I am TOTALLY AMAZED for 2 reasons
#1 - I have a majorly damaged car trying to just complete some laps
and in the replay it shows me racing about 5 or 6 laps... and the
field is spread out and goes by me about 2 different times... every
car that passes me I give them TONS of room to pass making no contact.
#2 - (here's the good part) - THERE WASN'T EVEN A WRECK!!!!!!!
here's what they call me a wrecker from:
As I come off of turn 2 (at Lowe's Speedway) I drift up high... lookin
in my rear view mirrow I see the leaders coming fast up behind me
(since I am off pace)... so I do the smart think (i thought) since the
racing line is up near the wall down the backstretch... I quickly dove
to the bottom apron on the straightstretch to let the lead cars pass
me... what happen was either my reaction time was too slow and/or the
leaders were flying cause unfortunately as I was going low to let them
pass, the leader dives low to dodge me... basically we end up in the
same area trying to get out of the way of each other.
So what happens... well, I dive down and his car hits mine in the left
rear which spins me out into the inside wall... what happened to him
you ask.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he kept racing without any damage to his
car!!!
Ok so at this point... I have a damaged race car with more damage
(haha)... as people continue to drop out of the race and with only a
few laps left (and since the rating system is setup like it is) I had
to complete a few more laps to help my score. So I kept going... and
continue to let the cars pass me with tons of room over and over
again. Towards the end of the replay... I have to hit the apron on
turn 4 dodging a wrecked car stopped in the racing groove... when
coming off of the apron... i shoot up high obviously, and brush the
wall coming off of 4, which in return bouces me off a lil which the
frontstretch at lowes is fairly narrow and makes a close call with
another car...but yet again NO CONTACT IS MADE and no wreck occured.
Ironically this car that I came close to again was the same car as
before (which they claim I wrecked) so from that they ASSUMED I was
out to wreck him intentionally.
With my ratings and laps per incident so high, I would be an idiot to
go wrecking people screwing up my numbers that I had worked so hard to
get... but they don't see it that way I guess.
Now, the ONLY WAY I can get back to race online is to go out and buy a
new game which is totally ridiculous in my opinion. See, my thinking
is NO ONE should be banned from using a part of the game that is the
best part... they design a rating system to keep the good drivers away
from the wreckers... only problem is it doesn't work as they thought
it would... so instead of fixing it again (they already redid it once
in the first patch), they start banning people totally from racing
online, for good.
I suggested just simply resetting those "so-called" wreckers back to
the rating of 0 and have them start all over again, and if they were
still a good driver, they woud build their rating back up. They
responded again rudely against that.
I have all the emails they have sent along with the replay if any of
you with Nascar 4 is interested in viewing it. I have no problem
showing anyone, because simply I am not a wrecker and in the replay,
although there being close calls, there was NO WRECK.
I am just baffled by all of this... and because of this, it concerns
me that others online may become banned eventually for something papy
may see as an "intentional wreck" but is simply not the case.
Wanta hear something else bad... well I am (or should I say was) in
this racing league... and was getting very serious and competitive
about it... so since the Nascar 4 games eats up a system (i had a
pentium 3 500 w/ 128mb ram and 20gb hard drive) I decided to buy a new
computer now instead of waiting on down the road(AMD 1.4ghz, 256mb
ram, 64mb geforce 2 video card) and a new Nascar Pro 2 racing wheel
and pedals from thrustmaster. Bascially I would not have had to buy a
new computer if I wasn't into racing online in the league so much...
but now that I am banned... well you get what I'm saying. :(
I have been a MAJOR Papy fan since the Nascar Racing 1 days,
purchasing every nascar racing game and expansion pack all the way up
through Nascar 4. Now, I might have to go for an EA Sports Nascar
game just to race online.
If ANYONE would like to see the replay they sent me of the "wreck the
never happened" and/or the emails from Papy's manager... please email
Anyone wanta comment on this...or banning in general?
thanks for your time!
BH
Dodgefan!