rec.autos.simulators

by **Thom j** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:14:42

Well Dave C, At this point and after all these posts I barely
remember your point and everything has become extremely
watered down. So, whatever you say!! :) Enjoy..

| No I didn't. If you cut across the track and take out the leaders because
| they can't figure out where you are going or what the hell you're doing
then
| you should be taken behind the haulers and beaten soundly about the ears.
But
| if you are driving a straight, consistent line, making no unexpected lane
| changes as the leaders come up on you, and you get drilled from behind by
one
| of them, it's their own damn fault. There is no contridiction here
| whatsoever.
| Dave Casey

| >Now you just contradicted what you told me as bullshit & go back
| >to the stay high & hold line! You are flip-flopping now or your just
| >having a bad PMS day!! :)~
|
| >| You don't seem to understand something here. If you had held your line
| >high, driving a straight line and one of the leaders had plowed into
you, then
| >shame on them. It would have been their own damn fault.
| ><snipped for example>
|

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by **Justin_M6** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:25:19

why do that? then they would just make a new name within 10min and be
wrecking again in the next race...

> No one asked, but my 2cents:
> Generally speaking, why ban at all? Couldn't the user's ID just be marked
> or something for all to see? Maybe have an option for the host to prevent
> anyone who has been "marked" from joining the race.

> > Alex.. this banning and blaming stuff is quite dangerous. It's
> > extremely hard to tell if a crash was intentional even if you have the
> > replay.
> > I did not watch the replay, this topic is interesting enough to keep
> > it general, I don't want to start an endless discussion about this
> > particulair replay.

> > Banning should only be used when it's totally obvious.
> > With totally obvious I mean a driver taking out every possible car,
> > driving the wrong way, waiting untill a car is behind him and ramming
> > him off the road.. we've all seen nutcases like these in N4 online.

> > Everyone can have a bad day, making a totally stupid mistake causing
> > an accident which looks intentional while watching the replay.
> > One can even get carried away during a race, getting frustrated and
> > taking out that frustration on someone else. This is only human, it
> > even happens to real life drivers, and one should not be banned for
> > this if it happens once.
> > Unless it happens more than once ofcourse..

> > A warning should be given first, with a clear explanation of why the
> > warning was given. The wrecker should have a fair chance to defend
> > himself. A second (or third) time a wrecker causes the same stupid
> > accident a ban would be justified.

> > Andre

> > >Thanks,
> > >Alex

by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:43:34

I've noticed in GPL, that racers almost always "PO" when the enter a server
track. Now I know that means "Practice Only", but then they enter the race.
Ummm what's the point?

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by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:48:35

Couldn't the racer just connect through the league's server's I.P. address.
The Serria.com servers are just mostly chat lobbies that connect you to the
race server's I.P. aren't they?

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by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:59:10

Remember, I think it was the first "Cannonball Run" or "Gumball Rally"
movie. The one where the Italian Ferrari driver tears off the rear view
mirror from the windshield and say's "What is behind us is of no concern".

LOL

Great sounds of the Ferrari Daytona & AC Cobra in that movie too.

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by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:37:41

Hi Dave,

congrats on your impressive command of the English language's less
sophisticated aspects <g>

But seriously, the reason I'm speaking up is that since Papy started this
program, the quality of the racing on WON has improved tremendously. I
wouldn't want Papy to stop the monitoring, and I wouldn't want us here to
cause them to withdraw because we're bashing them too heavily.

Achim

> Geez. Why don't you just stick your tongue down the back of "Papy's"
> trousers? They ***ed up. The guy had never had a complaint against him
> before.

> Wait until it happens to you.

> David G Fisher

> > Guys,

> > I've gotten crashed out by wreckers so often that I am grateful to Papy
> for
> > having started taking action, and their anti-wrecker measures have had a
> > positive effect on the quality of the races on WON.

> > If Dodgefans' moves were just bad judgement, I'm sorry to hear he got
> > banned, but after reading his mail and watching the excerpt from the
> replay
> > Alex uploaded, I have to say that if this doesn't at least _look_ like
> > wrecking, then what should wrecking look like. Especially if you
consider
> > that Dodgefan's mishaps always affected the same other driver.

> > If we want protection from wreckers, we'll have to accept the odd
> > mis-judgement. This is none different in 'real life'. We asked for
> measures
> > against wreckers to be taken, as we all were suffering from wreckers
> badly,
> > Papy decided to do us the favour although it's obviously an unpleasant
> job,
> > and IMHO we should thank them instead of letting them down when they're
> only
> > trying to help us.

> > I don't think Papy would mind good suggestions on how to improve the
> > situation, maybe use a 'second chance' type of system of punishments or
> > temporary bans (2 months on first offence, 6 months on second?). But
> > starting to muse about legal action when Papy is only trying to help us
is
> > not the way to go.

> > Achim

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:39:45

Hi Dave,

no prob.

Achim

> Sorry, I seriously meant to put a smiley face or something to indicate
that
> my "tongue" comment was to be taken lightly. It's a line from a very funny
> and crude British comedy (The Young Ones).

> David G Fisher

> > Geez. Why don't you just stick your tongue down the back of "Papy's"
> > trousers? They ***ed up. The guy had never had a complaint against him
> > before.

> > Wait until it happens to you.

> > David G Fisher

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:42:33

Hi Jon,

This is what I am concerned about, and the reason why I'm contributing to
this thread. I'm really sympathetic if the guy got banned unrightfully, and
I know the current scheme isn't the optimum, but I'm seriously worried that
thoughtless bashing might make Papy cancel their anti-wrecker efforts, and I
really wouldn't want that to happen.

Achim

by **Joachim Trens** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:55:13

Hi BH,

I might try IanP's suggestion ;-)

but seriously, if you got banned unrightfully I'm sorry for you, and I
appreciate that you're angry. Still, from my point of view, Papy's
anti-wrecker campaign has been a step in the right direction.

Achim

> Well you're patially correct.... other than I'm not an intentional
> wrecker. We still got guys parking on the tracks and going backwards
> wrecking the whole field and I make a mistake and make contact
> (without even wrecking the guy i might add) and they ban me? Fair?...
> you're day MAY be soon too... then we'll see how you take it

> bh

by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:01:23

Ahhhh..... Thom j. yer a Flat Tracker? Ever race Syracuse? XR750's ???

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by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:04:36

LOL, wish I could reach through my monitor. he he

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by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:14:07

arenas."

----------- ROTFLMAO ! ! ! ! -----------

I have posted before that wreakers get more jollies seeing cars go airborne
in N4, thus the migration.

Hell I think I have a replay of a massive turn 3-4 wreak where one car gets
stuck up in the fence at Daytona.

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by **Biz** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:16:27

PO stands for Pit Out, NOT practice only.....lol

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

by **REDLINE42** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:43:13

Oh OK. That explains it. Geeez I thought I read on Alison Hine's site (years
ago) that meant "Practice Only", or was it what someone on a server told me.
Guess I need a refresher course in GPL. LOL

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by **Thom j** » Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:53:43

Well that was my Bike. :) I raced mostly the eastcoast, a little up in
NY state and out toward Ohio. I never got further then WG in bike
racing except for NH when I did a bit or road racing. The rest was
all basically south&west of me. Louisville was a great track tho' :)
Oddly the track that almost did me in was right in Reading, Pa.. It
almost took my life. Ouch! Would I do it all over again if I could?
U betcha!! :)

| Ahhhh..... Thom j. yer a Flat Tracker? Ever race Syracuse? XR750's ???
|
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| R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000
|
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