Okay, I got the replay from B. Hilton, and it looked REALLY bad. Ok, here's
what really happens.
1. He's driving slow along the apron and switching back on to the track in
3rd gear, and everyone starts to go by.
2. He goes up onto the track, and all of a sudden his speed increases
dramatically and goes from about 90mph to over 135 when he comes out of the
turn.
3. You see the leader come up behind him through his review mirrors, and is
down low to make the pass.
4. When you see the front of the nose what looks like is lined up with the
rear of the car, he suddenly swerves down at a VERY great angle
5. The leader tries to turn down with him so he doesn't get hit, but
Dodgefan (or B. Hilton) doesn't stop moving down the track
6. They don't make contact until he's actually on the white dotted line that
seperates the apron (well not much of one on the straight) to the track. I
tried swerving at that angle, at that speed, and tried to turn back at the
white dotted line (i looked at the replay and tried several times to make
sure I had the right angle) and most of the time, trying not to hit the
wall, I had such a big pendulum swing that a lot of times I couldn't get it
back. Of course, after a did it a whole lot and used some left foot braking
I could JUST hang onto it, and this is with the easy setup btw. Actually, to
turn so hard down the track, I had to turn the wheel as much as I could. It
was no slight move, you can literally feel the car hurl to the inside.
Also, he swerved after the corner, and at a VERY great angle. I don't think
if you move to the inside to let the leaders pass you swerve at an angle
onto the apron that has a great chance of you spinning out and loosing more
time.
Though, the leader did hit him, but got lucky because he turned down the
track with him and Dodgefan only got the tip of his nose, so the leader went
and motored on.
You can check out the 14 seconds of the wreck here:
http://www.runnyegg.com/alex/dodgefanwreck.zip
I uploaded it for everyone so they can make their own decision. But I have
to say, that's beyond ignorance and being oblivious IMO.
I still don't know if he's a hardcore wrecker or a good driver who just had
a dark, frustrated moment, and took someone out. But still, there was no
doubt in my mind that it was intentional.
Thanks,
Alex
B. Hilton <dcibra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:34409625.0108250313.69c75ae5@posting.google.com...
> From: dcibra...@yahoo.com (B. Hilton)
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
> Subject: Nascar 4 Racing (PAPY) BANNED ME FROM RACING ONLINE!!!
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 164.89.253.3
> Message-ID: <34409625.0108250304.56d51...@posting.google.com>
> The people at Papy Racing has now been banning people TOTALLY from
> racing online... if you are caught intentionally wrecking somone, they
> will ban your cd key which will not allow you to play online AT ALL.
> The offline version AI is so terrible... the online version is the
> only thing worth a crap to play.
> Anyways, I was pleading my case on the papy webpage Nascar 4
> Forum...and they banned me from there calmly stating the facts as to
> what they call "wrecking".
> here's their rules:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Guidelines For Reporting NASCAR? Racing 4
> Multiplayer Intentional Wrecking*
> *Please read this entire document thoroughly before you consider
> reporting an incident of intentional wrecking.
> In an effort to give the NASCAR? Racing 4 multiplayer user an avenue
> to report incidents of intentional wrecking, we will take reports if
> all guidelines are met that are outlined in this document. You will
> need to make sure that your report is of intentional wrecking and NOT
> the result of incidents related to accidents caused by warp, unskilled
> drivers, or plain old "racing incidents".
> Because we only have a small amount of time to devote to reviewing
> these reports, if we end up getting flooded with reports that are not
> incidents of intentional wrecking, we will be forced to discontinue
> this line of communication. So, please make sure that your report is
> legitimate. If it is determined that a report is not legitimate, we
> will no longer accept reports from that individual.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Well makes sense to me (even though I ALWAYS thought banning people to
> race their game online was not good business practice and bad
> morally).
> So I emailed papy to ask why I was banned since I have NEVER IN MY
> LIFE in a multiplayer game intentionally gone after to wreck someone.
> Ya see, in this game they have built in a nice Ratings feature...
> where the better driver you are.. you have a higher ranking 0-10 and
> LPI (laps per incident). My ratings were VERY high for both... which
> that should have triggered them into knowing I am not a wrecker.
> Anyways, they responded, very rudely I might add (i still have the
> emails)... and at least they were kind enough to send me the replay
> from which they banned me from.
> As I go home and watch the replay (which I still have if ANYONE WANTS
> TO VIEW IT)... I am TOTALLY AMAZED for 2 reasons
> #1 - I have a majorly damaged car trying to just complete some laps
> and in the replay it shows me racing about 5 or 6 laps... and the
> field is spread out and goes by me about 2 different times... every
> car that passes me I give them TONS of room to pass making no contact.
> #2 - (here's the good part) - THERE WASN'T EVEN A WRECK!!!!!!!
> here's what they call me a wrecker from:
> As I come off of turn 2 (at Lowe's Speedway) I drift up high... lookin
> in my rear view mirrow I see the leaders coming fast up behind me
> (since I am off pace)... so I do the smart think (i thought) since the
> racing line is up near the wall down the backstretch... I quickly dove
> to the bottom apron on the straightstretch to let the lead cars pass
> me... what happen was either my reaction time was too slow and/or the
> leaders were flying cause unfortunately as I was going low to let them
> pass, the leader dives low to dodge me... basically we end up in the
> same area trying to get out of the way of each other.
> So what happens... well, I dive down and his car hits mine in the left
> rear which spins me out into the inside wall... what happened to him
> you ask.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he kept racing without any damage to his
> car!!!
> Ok so at this point... I have a damaged race car with more damage
> (haha)... as people continue to drop out of the race and with only a
> few laps left (and since the rating system is setup like it is) I had
> to complete a few more laps to help my score. So I kept going... and
> continue to let the cars pass me with tons of room over and over
> again. Towards the end of the replay... I have to hit the apron on
> turn 4 dodging a wrecked car stopped in the racing groove... when
> coming off of the apron... i shoot up high obviously, and brush the
> wall coming off of 4, which in return bouces me off a lil which the
> frontstretch at lowes is fairly narrow and makes a close call with
> another car...but yet again NO CONTACT IS MADE and no wreck occured.
> Ironically this car that I came close to again was the same car as
> before (which they claim I wrecked) so from that they ASSUMED I was
> out to wreck him intentionally.
> With my ratings and laps per incident so high, I would be an idiot to
> go wrecking people screwing up my numbers that I had worked so hard to
> get... but they don't see it that way I guess.
> Now, the ONLY WAY I can get back to race online is to go out and buy a
> new game which is totally ridiculous in my opinion. See, my thinking
> is NO ONE should be banned from using a part of the game that is the
> best part... they design a rating system to keep the good drivers away
> from the wreckers... only problem is it doesn't work as they thought
> it would... so instead of fixing it again (they already redid it once
> in the first patch), they start banning people totally from racing
> online, for good.
> I suggested just simply resetting those "so-called" wreckers back to
> the rating of 0 and have them start all over again, and if they were
> still a good driver, they woud build their rating back up. They
> responded again rudely against that.
> I have all the emails they have sent along with the replay if any of
> you with Nascar 4 is interested in viewing it. I have no problem
> showing anyone, because simply I am not a wrecker and in the replay,
> although there being close calls, there was NO WRECK.
> I am just baffled by all of this... and because of this, it concerns
> me that others online may become banned eventually for something papy
> may see as an "intentional wreck" but is simply not the case.
> Wanta hear something else bad... well I am (or should I say was) in
> this racing league... and was getting very serious and competitive
> about it... so since the Nascar 4 games eats up a system (i had a
> pentium 3 500 w/ 128mb ram and 20gb hard drive) I decided to buy a new
> computer now instead of waiting on down the road(AMD 1.4ghz, 256mb
> ram, 64mb geforce 2 video card) and a new Nascar Pro 2 racing wheel
> and pedals from thrustmaster. Bascially I would not have had to buy a
> new computer if I wasn't into racing online in the league so much...
> but now that I am banned... well you get what I'm saying. :(
> I have been a MAJOR Papy fan since the Nascar Racing 1 days,
> purchasing every nascar racing game and expansion pack all the way up
> through Nascar 4. Now, I might have to go for an EA Sports Nascar
> game just to race online.
> If ANYONE would like to see the replay they sent me of the "wreck the
> never happened" and/or the emails from Papy's manager... please email
> me at dcibra...@yahoo.com and I would be happy to send them to you. :)
> Anyone wanta comment on this...or banning in general?
> email
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