for a first offense. I could undertstand maybe the 2nd or 3rd offense, but
first time caught is a bit too hard assed for a game. While wreckers annoy
me, or people just being REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY
REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY stupid annoys me too, I do think that
Papy's stance is a bit too tough.Today while I was racing I encountered a
wrecker at Bristol on Papy's server (demo derby, 30 cars in it) and was
going to save the replay, but someone was flaming me because I rear ended
him 10 laps from the end and I had to explain to him I had just pitted, had
fresh tires, and didn't realize how much faster I was, everything went ok
with him then, but then the server booted everyone off for the start of the
next race. Though, I have to admit, trying to dodge all of the wrecks and go
under cars the warped high in the air was kinda fun, except when i got hit,
lol. At the end, I passed a guy for position, and then on the last corner of
the race he rear ended me and I spun. I was sitting backwards on the
straight really close to the finish line, so I shifted into reverse and went
across the finish in the reverse. I saw a rally driver do that at the end of
a stage when he spun, so I thought I'd try it too, heh.
Anyway, I still don't like the idea how he came to our newsgroup just to get
people all excited so he could get the ban appealed. He never cared about
R.A.S. until he was in deep sh*t and that kinda bothered me. It's like the
guy who goes broke and then when in dept, asks his in-laws he never spends
time with for money :)
Also, even though I still don't agree with his decision making, I do think
he has learned his lesson and should be allowed to race again. He knows
better to screw his ranking or take out the leader when banning is a good
possibility. :)
Thanks,
Alex
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
> Subject: Nascar 4 Racing (PAPY) BANNED ME FROM RACING ONLINE!!!
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 164.89.253.3
> Message-ID: <34409625.0108250304.56d51...@posting.google.com>
> The people at Papy Racing has now been banning people TOTALLY from
> racing online... if you are caught intentionally wrecking somone, they
> will ban your cd key which will not allow you to play online AT ALL.
> The offline version AI is so terrible... the online version is the
> only thing worth a crap to play.
> Anyways, I was pleading my case on the papy webpage Nascar 4
> Forum...and they banned me from there calmly stating the facts as to
> what they call "wrecking".
> here's their rules:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Guidelines For Reporting NASCAR? Racing 4
> Multiplayer Intentional Wrecking*
> *Please read this entire document thoroughly before you consider
> reporting an incident of intentional wrecking.
> In an effort to give the NASCAR? Racing 4 multiplayer user an avenue
> to report incidents of intentional wrecking, we will take reports if
> all guidelines are met that are outlined in this document. You will
> need to make sure that your report is of intentional wrecking and NOT
> the result of incidents related to accidents caused by warp, unskilled
> drivers, or plain old "racing incidents".
> Because we only have a small amount of time to devote to reviewing
> these reports, if we end up getting flooded with reports that are not
> incidents of intentional wrecking, we will be forced to discontinue
> this line of communication. So, please make sure that your report is
> legitimate. If it is determined that a report is not legitimate, we
> will no longer accept reports from that individual.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Well makes sense to me (even though I ALWAYS thought banning people to
> race their game online was not good business practice and bad
> morally).
> So I emailed papy to ask why I was banned since I have NEVER IN MY
> LIFE in a multiplayer game intentionally gone after to wreck someone.
> Ya see, in this game they have built in a nice Ratings feature...
> where the better driver you are.. you have a higher ranking 0-10 and
> LPI (laps per incident). My ratings were VERY high for both... which
> that should have triggered them into knowing I am not a wrecker.
> Anyways, they responded, very rudely I might add (i still have the
> emails)... and at least they were kind enough to send me the replay
> from which they banned me from.
> As I go home and watch the replay (which I still have if ANYONE WANTS
> TO VIEW IT)... I am TOTALLY AMAZED for 2 reasons
> #1 - I have a majorly damaged car trying to just complete some laps
> and in the replay it shows me racing about 5 or 6 laps... and the
> field is spread out and goes by me about 2 different times... every
> car that passes me I give them TONS of room to pass making no contact.
> #2 - (here's the good part) - THERE WASN'T EVEN A WRECK!!!!!!!
> here's what they call me a wrecker from:
> As I come off of turn 2 (at Lowe's Speedway) I drift up high... lookin
> in my rear view mirrow I see the leaders coming fast up behind me
> (since I am off pace)... so I do the smart think (i thought) since the
> racing line is up near the wall down the backstretch... I quickly dove
> to the bottom apron on the straightstretch to let the lead cars pass
> me... what happen was either my reaction time was too slow and/or the
> leaders were flying cause unfortunately as I was going low to let them
> pass, the leader dives low to dodge me... basically we end up in the
> same area trying to get out of the way of each other.
> So what happens... well, I dive down and his car hits mine in the left
> rear which spins me out into the inside wall... what happened to him
> you ask.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he kept racing without any damage to his
> car!!!
> Ok so at this point... I have a damaged race car with more damage
> (haha)... as people continue to drop out of the race and with only a
> few laps left (and since the rating system is setup like it is) I had
> to complete a few more laps to help my score. So I kept going... and
> continue to let the cars pass me with tons of room over and over
> again. Towards the end of the replay... I have to hit the apron on
> turn 4 dodging a wrecked car stopped in the racing groove... when
> coming off of the apron... i shoot up high obviously, and brush the
> wall coming off of 4, which in return bouces me off a lil which the
> frontstretch at lowes is fairly narrow and makes a close call with
> another car...but yet again NO CONTACT IS MADE and no wreck occured.
> Ironically this car that I came close to again was the same car as
> before (which they claim I wrecked) so from that they ASSUMED I was
> out to wreck him intentionally.
> With my ratings and laps per incident so high, I would be an idiot to
> go wrecking people screwing up my numbers that I had worked so hard to
> get... but they don't see it that way I guess.
> Now, the ONLY WAY I can get back to race online is to go out and buy a
> new game which is totally ridiculous in my opinion. See, my thinking
> is NO ONE should be banned from using a part of the game that is the
> best part... they design a rating system to keep the good drivers away
> from the wreckers... only problem is it doesn't work as they thought
> it would... so instead of fixing it again (they already redid it once
> in the first patch), they start banning people totally from racing
> online, for good.
> I suggested just simply resetting those "so-called" wreckers back to
> the rating of 0 and have them start all over again, and if they were
> still a good driver, they woud build their rating back up. They
> responded again rudely against that.
> I have all the emails they have sent along with the replay if any of
> you with Nascar 4 is interested in viewing it. I have no problem
> showing anyone, because simply I am not a wrecker and in the replay,
> although there being close calls, there was NO WRECK.
> I am just baffled by all of this... and because of this, it concerns
> me that others online may become banned eventually for something papy
> may see as an "intentional wreck" but is simply not the case.
> Wanta hear something else bad... well I am (or should I say was) in
> this racing league... and was getting very serious and competitive
> about it... so since the Nascar 4 games eats up a system (i had a
> pentium 3 500 w/ 128mb ram and 20gb hard drive) I decided to buy a new
> computer now instead of waiting on down the road(AMD 1.4ghz, 256mb
> ram, 64mb geforce 2 video card) and a new Nascar Pro 2 racing wheel
> and pedals from thrustmaster. Bascially I would not have had to buy a
> new computer if I wasn't into racing online in the league so much...
> but now that I am banned... well you get what I'm saying. :(
> I have been a MAJOR Papy fan since the Nascar Racing 1 days,
> purchasing every nascar racing game and expansion pack all the way up
> through Nascar 4. Now, I might have to go for an EA Sports Nascar
> game just to race online.
> If ANYONE would like to see the replay they sent me of the "wreck the
> never happened" and/or the emails from Papy's manager... please email
> me at dcibra...@yahoo.com and I would be happy to send them to you. :)
> Anyone wanta comment on this...or banning in general?
> email papy's manager at online....@papy.com
> thanks for your time!
> BH
> Dodgefan!