Their webpage says "THIS IS FOR PAPYRUS-OPERATED SERVERS ONLY",
so why have they gone so far as to ban him from Won entirely?
Doesn't seem right.
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> Even if that were the case, bad judgement is still not the same as
> intentionally wrecking. Maybe he waited too long to move to the low
> line, and as I recall his description of the front stretch incident,
> that is a typical scenario of events when you make a mistake. Without
> seeing the replay, we can't make a valid call on it one way or the
> other.
> I have mixed feelings about the banning of wreckers like this. Many
> times, a person may just be having a bad racing day. I have personally
> never intentionally wrecked someone, but I have had days when I couldn't
> drive the car in a straight line, even I was velcroed to the back-strech
> wall at dega. On those days, I have sometimes been accused of
> intentional wrecking, but I just ignore the flamer and keep driving
> because I know better.
> The original poster is in a league and he can't participate in those
> league races if the server is reguistered on WON. IMHO (and within the
> context provided), that is an unfair restriction of use of the game.
> I haven't raced online since the new policy went into effect because all
> it takes is one person to get you on Papy's radar, and that's not
> someplace I want to spend my time (as a driver). I wonder how many
> other people feel the same way.
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| On the other hand, I am not sure whether the free matching service
| Sierra provides is considered as a part of the deal.
|
| -Gregor
|
| >
| > I agree. Whether you are an intentional wrecker or not they have no
| > legal right to stop you using what you *paid* for.
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| Hey,
|
| Well, i always thought it was generally accepted that the lapper should
hold
| his line, let the overtaking car decide where to go. If the leader can
drive
| worth a crap, he should already be planning on where/how to pass the
lapper
| long before he makes the attempt. Lappers...just hold your line, don't
make
| any dumb last second moves.
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And what about the people being banned unfairly? They do have a case
and would win if they could prove it in court.
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"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <elliott...@home.com> wrote in message
news:VnRh7.112584$k7.28532176@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com...
> "B. Hilton" <dcibra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:34409625.0108250313.69c75ae5@posting.google.com...
> > From: dcibra...@yahoo.com (B. Hilton)
> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
> > Subject: Nascar 4 Racing (PAPY) BANNED ME FROM RACING ONLINE!!!
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 164.89.253.3
> > Message-ID: <34409625.0108250304.56d51...@posting.google.com>
> > The people at Papy Racing has now been banning people TOTALLY from
> > racing online... if you are caught intentionally wrecking somone, they
> > will ban your cd key which will not allow you to play online AT ALL.
> > The offline version AI is so terrible... the online version is the
> > only thing worth a crap to play.
> > Anyways, I was pleading my case on the papy webpage Nascar 4
> > Forum...and they banned me from there calmly stating the facts as to
> > what they call "wrecking".
> > here's their rules:
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Guidelines For Reporting NASCAR? Racing 4
> > Multiplayer Intentional Wrecking*
> > *Please read this entire document thoroughly before you consider
> > reporting an incident of intentional wrecking.
> > In an effort to give the NASCAR? Racing 4 multiplayer user an avenue
> > to report incidents of intentional wrecking, we will take reports if
> > all guidelines are met that are outlined in this document. You will
> > need to make sure that your report is of intentional wrecking and NOT
> > the result of incidents related to accidents caused by warp, unskilled
> > drivers, or plain old "racing incidents".
> > Because we only have a small amount of time to devote to reviewing
> > these reports, if we end up getting flooded with reports that are not
> > incidents of intentional wrecking, we will be forced to discontinue
> > this line of communication. So, please make sure that your report is
> > legitimate. If it is determined that a report is not legitimate, we
> > will no longer accept reports from that individual.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Well makes sense to me (even though I ALWAYS thought banning people to
> > race their game online was not good business practice and bad
> > morally).
> > So I emailed papy to ask why I was banned since I have NEVER IN MY
> > LIFE in a multiplayer game intentionally gone after to wreck someone.
> > Ya see, in this game they have built in a nice Ratings feature...
> > where the better driver you are.. you have a higher ranking 0-10 and
> > LPI (laps per incident). My ratings were VERY high for both... which
> > that should have triggered them into knowing I am not a wrecker.
> > Anyways, they responded, very rudely I might add (i still have the
> > emails)... and at least they were kind enough to send me the replay
> > from which they banned me from.
> > As I go home and watch the replay (which I still have if ANYONE WANTS
> > TO VIEW IT)... I am TOTALLY AMAZED for 2 reasons
> > #1 - I have a majorly damaged car trying to just complete some laps
> > and in the replay it shows me racing about 5 or 6 laps... and the
> > field is spread out and goes by me about 2 different times... every
> > car that passes me I give them TONS of room to pass making no contact.
> > #2 - (here's the good part) - THERE WASN'T EVEN A WRECK!!!!!!!
> > here's what they call me a wrecker from:
> > As I come off of turn 2 (at Lowe's Speedway) I drift up high... lookin
> > in my rear view mirrow I see the leaders coming fast up behind me
> > (since I am off pace)... so I do the smart think (i thought) since the
> > racing line is up near the wall down the backstretch... I quickly dove
> > to the bottom apron on the straightstretch to let the lead cars pass
> > me... what happen was either my reaction time was too slow and/or the
> > leaders were flying cause unfortunately as I was going low to let them
> > pass, the leader dives low to dodge me... basically we end up in the
> > same area trying to get out of the way of each other.
> > So what happens... well, I dive down and his car hits mine in the left
> > rear which spins me out into the inside wall... what happened to him
> > you ask.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he kept racing without any damage to his
> > car!!!
> > Ok so at this point... I have a damaged race car with more damage
> > (haha)... as people continue to drop out of the race and with only a
> > few laps left (and since the rating system is setup like it is) I had
> > to complete a few more laps to help my score. So I kept going... and
> > continue to let the cars pass me with tons of room over and over
> > again. Towards the end of the replay... I have to hit the apron on
> > turn 4 dodging a wrecked car stopped in the racing groove... when
> > coming off of the apron... i shoot up high obviously, and brush the
> > wall coming off of 4, which in return bouces me off a lil which the
> > frontstretch at lowes is fairly narrow and makes a close call with
> > another car...but yet again NO CONTACT IS MADE and no wreck occured.
> > Ironically this car that I came close to again was the same car as
> > before (which they claim I wrecked) so from that they ASSUMED I was
> > out to wreck him intentionally.
> > With my ratings and laps per incident so high, I would be an idiot to
> > go wrecking people screwing up my numbers that I had worked so hard to
> > get... but they don't see it that way I guess.
> > Now, the ONLY WAY I can get back to race online is to go out and buy a
> > new game which is totally ridiculous in my opinion. See, my thinking
> > is NO ONE should be banned from using a part of the game that is the
> > best part... they design a rating system to keep the good drivers away
> > from the wreckers... only problem is it doesn't work as they thought
> > it would... so instead of fixing it again (they already redid it once
> > in the first patch), they start banning people totally from racing
> > online, for good.
> > I suggested just simply resetting those "so-called" wreckers back to
> > the rating of 0 and have them start all over again, and if they were
> > still a good driver, they woud build their rating back up. They
> > responded again rudely against that.
> > I have all the emails they have sent along with the replay if any of
> > you with Nascar 4 is interested in viewing it. I have no problem
> > showing anyone, because simply I am not a wrecker and in the replay,
> > although there being close calls, there was NO WRECK.
> > I am just baffled by all of this... and because of this, it concerns
> > me that others online may become banned eventually for something papy
> > may see as an "intentional wreck" but is simply not the case.
> > Wanta hear something else bad... well I am (or should I say was) in
> > this racing league... and was getting very serious and competitive
> > about it... so since the Nascar 4 games eats up a system (i had a
> > pentium 3 500 w/ 128mb ram and 20gb hard drive) I decided to buy a new
> > computer now instead of waiting on down the road(AMD 1.4ghz, 256mb
> > ram, 64mb geforce 2 video card) and a new Nascar Pro 2 racing wheel
> > and pedals from thrustmaster. Bascially I would not have had to buy a
> > new computer if I wasn't into racing online in the league so much...
> > but now that I am banned... well you get what I'm saying. :(
> > I have been a MAJOR Papy fan since the Nascar Racing 1 days,
> > purchasing every nascar racing game and expansion pack all the way up
> > through Nascar 4. Now, I might have to go for an EA Sports Nascar
> > game just to race online.
> > If ANYONE would like to see the replay they sent me of the "wreck the
> > never happened" and/or the emails from Papy's manager... please email
> > me at dcibra...@yahoo.com and I would be happy to send them to you. :)
> > Anyone wanta comment on this...or banning in general?
> > email papy's manager at online....@papy.com
> > thanks for your time!
> > BH
> > Dodgefan!
Thats the first rule I learned in online racing, or real racing for that matter.
"HOLD YOUR LINE"
Mike Grandy
Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale
"guod" <guo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:5YSh7.3057$434.346261@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
I read this entire thread and this was the only post I could find regarding "holding the line".
Two points, all IMO of course. ;)
The leaders thought the right thing to do was go low. "B. Hilton" (I suspect in all innocence)
thought he was doing the proper thing in going low. Are there establish, posted rules as to
which is correct in NASCAR online racing? Somebody made a mistake. The "pool rules" should have
that situation established before the race starts. That would go a long way in avoiding turmoil.
Only one comment on the legal, ethical, political, or any other "..al" area. Seems in an earnest
attempt to clean-up the area they went too far the other direction without some form of a
"three-strike's" rule or some appeal process. The "wonderful world of warping" with online sims
can be the problem in itself.
If my first point and the expectations of drivers was clearly established, I suspect it would
minimize the need for the second.
"Mike Grandy" <mgran...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:fVOh7.355778$EF2.44375677@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
| Unfortunate, but the main rule is "hold your line" whether it be high or
| low. Papy can only go by what they have in the way of a replay.
|
| "B. Hilton" <dcibra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:34409625.0108250313.69c75ae5@posting.google.com...
| From: dcibra...@yahoo.com (B. Hilton)
| Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
| Subject: Nascar 4 Racing (PAPY) BANNED ME FROM RACING ONLINE!!!
| NNTP-Posting-Host: 164.89.253.3
| Message-ID: <34409625.0108250304.56d51...@posting.google.com>
|
| The people at Papy Racing has now been banning people TOTALLY from
| racing online... if you are caught intentionally wrecking somone, they
| will ban your cd key which will not allow you to play online AT ALL.
| The offline version AI is so terrible... the online version is the
| only thing worth a crap to play.
|
| Anyways, I was pleading my case on the papy webpage Nascar 4
| Forum...and they banned me from there calmly stating the facts as to
| what they call "wrecking".
|
| here's their rules:
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Guidelines For Reporting NASCAR? Racing 4
| Multiplayer Intentional Wrecking*
|
| *Please read this entire document thoroughly before you consider
| reporting an incident of intentional wrecking.
|
| In an effort to give the NASCAR? Racing 4 multiplayer user an avenue
| to report incidents of intentional wrecking, we will take reports if
| all guidelines are met that are outlined in this document. You will
| need to make sure that your report is of intentional wrecking and NOT
| the result of incidents related to accidents caused by warp, unskilled
| drivers, or plain old "racing incidents".
|
| Because we only have a small amount of time to devote to reviewing
| these reports, if we end up getting flooded with reports that are not
| incidents of intentional wrecking, we will be forced to discontinue
| this line of communication. So, please make sure that your report is
| legitimate. If it is determined that a report is not legitimate, we
| will no longer accept reports from that individual.
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Well makes sense to me (even though I ALWAYS thought banning people to
| race their game online was not good business practice and bad
| morally).
| So I emailed papy to ask why I was banned since I have NEVER IN MY
| LIFE in a multiplayer game intentionally gone after to wreck someone.
| Ya see, in this game they have built in a nice Ratings feature...
| where the better driver you are.. you have a higher ranking 0-10 and
| LPI (laps per incident). My ratings were VERY high for both... which
| that should have triggered them into knowing I am not a wrecker.
|
| Anyways, they responded, very rudely I might add (i still have the
| emails)... and at least they were kind enough to send me the replay
| from which they banned me from.
|
| As I go home and watch the replay (which I still have if ANYONE WANTS
| TO VIEW IT)... I am TOTALLY AMAZED for 2 reasons
| #1 - I have a majorly damaged car trying to just complete some laps
| and in the replay it shows me racing about 5 or 6 laps... and the
| field is spread out and goes by me about 2 different times... every
| car that passes me I give them TONS of room to pass making no contact.
| #2 - (here's the good part) - THERE WASN'T EVEN A WRECK!!!!!!!
|
| here's what they call me a wrecker from:
| As I come off of turn 2 (at Lowe's Speedway) I drift up high... lookin
| in my rear view mirrow I see the leaders coming fast up behind me
| (since I am off pace)... so I do the smart think (i thought) since the
| racing line is up near the wall down the backstretch... I quickly dove
| to the bottom apron on the straightstretch to let the lead cars pass
| me... what happen was either my reaction time was too slow and/or the
| leaders were flying cause unfortunately as I was going low to let them
| pass, the leader dives low to dodge me... basically we end up in the
| same area trying to get out of the way of each other.
| So what happens... well, I dive down and his car hits mine in the left
| rear which spins me out into the inside wall... what happened to him
| you ask.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he kept racing without any damage to his
| car!!!
|
| Ok so at this point... I have a damaged race car with more damage
| (haha)... as people continue to drop out of the race and with only a
| few laps left (and since the rating system is setup like it is) I had
| to complete a few more laps to help my score. So I kept going... and
| continue to let the cars pass me with tons of room over and over
| again. Towards the end of the replay... I have to hit the apron on
| turn 4 dodging a wrecked car stopped in the racing groove... when
| coming off of the apron... i shoot up high obviously, and brush the
| wall coming off of 4, which in return bouces me off a lil which the
| frontstretch at lowes is fairly narrow and makes a close call with
| another car...but yet again NO CONTACT IS MADE and no wreck occured.
| Ironically this car that I came close to again was the same car as
| before (which they claim I wrecked) so from that they ASSUMED I was
| out to wreck him intentionally.
|
| With my ratings and laps per incident so high, I would be an idiot to
| go wrecking people screwing up my numbers that I had worked so hard to
| get... but they don't see it that way I guess.
|
| Now, the ONLY WAY I can get back to race online is to go out and buy a
| new game which is totally ridiculous in my opinion. See, my thinking
| is NO ONE should be banned from using a part of the game that is the
| best part... they design a rating system to keep the good drivers away
| from the wreckers... only problem is it doesn't work as they thought
| it would... so instead of fixing it again (they already redid it once
| in the first patch), they start banning people totally from racing
| online, for good.
|
| I suggested just simply resetting those "so-called" wreckers back to
| the rating of 0 and have them start all over again, and if they were
| still a good driver, they woud build their rating back up. They
| responded again rudely against that.
|
| I have all the emails they have sent along with the replay if any of
| you with Nascar 4 is interested in viewing it. I have no problem
| showing anyone, because simply I am not a wrecker and in the replay,
| although there being close calls, there was NO WRECK.
|
| I am just baffled by all of this... and because of this, it concerns
| me that others online may become banned eventually for something papy
| may see as an "intentional wreck" but is simply not the case.
|
| Wanta hear something else bad... well I am (or should I say was) in
| this racing league... and was getting very serious and competitive
| about it... so since the Nascar 4 games eats up a system (i had a
| pentium 3 500 w/ 128mb ram and 20gb hard drive) I decided to buy a new
| computer now instead of waiting on down the road(AMD 1.4ghz, 256mb
| ram, 64mb geforce 2 video card) and a new Nascar Pro 2 racing wheel
| and pedals from thrustmaster. Bascially I would not have had to buy a
| new computer if I wasn't into racing online in the league so much...
| but now that I am banned... well you get what I'm saying. :(
|
| I have been a MAJOR Papy fan since the Nascar Racing 1 days,
| purchasing every nascar racing game and expansion pack all the way up
| through Nascar 4. Now, I might have to go for an EA Sports Nascar
| game just to race online.
|
| If ANYONE would like to see the replay they sent me of the "wreck the
| never happened" and/or the emails from Papy's manager... please email
| me at dcibra...@yahoo.com and I would be happy to send them to you. :)
|
| Anyone wanta comment on this...or banning in general?
| email papy's manager at online....@papy.com
|
|
| thanks for your time!
|
| BH
| Dodgefan!
|
|
It was NOT a league race... but I was a member of a large league...
obviously if I haven't been kicked out of the league through midseason
than I am not a wrecker.
Yes, they have gone to far. I was online today looking at the
"other" racing games like Heat and Thunder... might look into those
now. One thing is for sure...they won't be asses about people using
their product they develop.
If papy would spend time on fixing the pathetic AI for offline races
and finish the next patch instead of banned people they "assume" are
wreckers... it might be a decent game one day!
online....@papy.com is their email address.... tell them what you
think
BH
> --
> Biz
> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash
> B. Hilton <dcibra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:34409625.0108250313.69c75ae5@posting.google.com...
> > From: dcibra...@yahoo.com (B. Hilton)
> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.nascar
> > Subject: Nascar 4 Racing (PAPY) BANNED ME FROM RACING ONLINE!!!
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 164.89.253.3
> > Message-ID: <34409625.0108250304.56d51...@posting.google.com>
> > The people at Papy Racing has now been banning people TOTALLY from
> > racing online... if you are caught intentionally wrecking somone, they
> > will ban your cd key which will not allow you to play online AT ALL.
> > The offline version AI is so terrible... the online version is the
> > only thing worth a crap to play.
> > Anyways, I was pleading my case on the papy webpage Nascar 4
> > Forum...and they banned me from there calmly stating the facts as to
> > what they call "wrecking".
> > here's their rules:
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Guidelines For Reporting NASCAR? Racing 4
> > Multiplayer Intentional Wrecking*
> > *Please read this entire document thoroughly before you consider
> > reporting an incident of intentional wrecking.
> > In an effort to give the NASCAR? Racing 4 multiplayer user an avenue
> > to report incidents of intentional wrecking, we will take reports if
> > all guidelines are met that are outlined in this document. You will
> > need to make sure that your report is of intentional wrecking and NOT
> > the result of incidents related to accidents caused by warp, unskilled
> > drivers, or plain old "racing incidents".
> > Because we only have a small amount of time to devote to reviewing
> > these reports, if we end up getting flooded with reports that are not
> > incidents of intentional wrecking, we will be forced to discontinue
> > this line of communication. So, please make sure that your report is
> > legitimate. If it is determined that a report is not legitimate, we
> > will no longer accept reports from that individual.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Well makes sense to me (even though I ALWAYS thought banning people to
> > race their game online was not good business practice and bad
> > morally).
> > So I emailed papy to ask why I was banned since I have NEVER IN MY
> > LIFE in a multiplayer game intentionally gone after to wreck someone.
> > Ya see, in this game they have built in a nice Ratings feature...
> > where the better driver you are.. you have a higher ranking 0-10 and
> > LPI (laps per incident). My ratings were VERY high for both... which
> > that should have triggered them into knowing I am not a wrecker.
> > Anyways, they responded, very rudely I might add (i still have the
> > emails)... and at least they were kind enough to send me the replay
> > from which they banned me from.
> > As I go home and watch the replay (which I still have if ANYONE WANTS
> > TO VIEW IT)... I am TOTALLY AMAZED for 2 reasons
> > #1 - I have a majorly damaged car trying to just complete some laps
> > and in the replay it shows me racing about 5 or 6 laps... and the
> > field is spread out and goes by me about 2 different times... every
> > car that passes me I give them TONS of room to pass making no contact.
> > #2 - (here's the good part) - THERE WASN'T EVEN A WRECK!!!!!!!
> > here's what they call me a wrecker from:
> > As I come off of turn 2 (at Lowe's Speedway) I drift up high... lookin
> > in my rear view mirrow I see the leaders coming fast up behind me
> > (since I am off pace)... so I do the smart think (i thought) since the
> > racing line is up near the wall down the backstretch... I quickly dove
> > to the bottom apron on the straightstretch to let the lead cars pass
> > me... what happen was either my reaction time was too slow and/or the
> > leaders were flying cause unfortunately as I was going low to let them
> > pass, the leader dives low to dodge me... basically we end up in the
> > same area trying to get out of the way of each other.
> > So what happens... well, I dive down and his car hits mine in the left
> > rear which spins me out into the inside wall... what happened to him
> > you ask.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he kept racing without any damage to his
> > car!!!
> > Ok so at this point... I have a damaged race car with more damage
> > (haha)... as people continue to drop out of the race and with only a
> > few laps left (and since the rating system is setup like it is) I had
> > to complete a few more laps to help my score. So I kept going... and
> > continue to let the cars pass me with tons of room over and over
> > again. Towards the end of the replay... I have to hit the apron on
> > turn 4 dodging a wrecked car stopped in the racing groove... when
> > coming off of the apron... i shoot up high obviously, and brush the
> > wall coming off of 4, which in return bouces me off a lil which the
> > frontstretch at lowes is fairly narrow and makes a close call with
> > another car...but yet again NO CONTACT IS MADE and no wreck occured.
> > Ironically this car that I came close to again was the same car as
> > before (which they claim I wrecked) so from that they ASSUMED I was
> > out to wreck him intentionally.
> > With my ratings and laps per incident so high, I would be an idiot to
> > go wrecking people screwing up my numbers that I had worked so hard to
> > get... but they don't see it that way I guess.
> > Now, the ONLY WAY I can get back to race online is to go out and buy a
> > new game which is totally ridiculous in my opinion. See, my thinking
> > is NO ONE should be banned from using a part of the game that is the
> > best part... they design a rating system to keep the good drivers away
> > from the wreckers... only problem is it doesn't work as they thought
> > it would... so instead of fixing it again (they already redid it once
> > in the first patch), they start banning people totally from racing
> > online, for good.
> > I suggested just simply resetting those "so-called" wreckers back to
> > the rating of 0 and have them start all over again, and if they were
> > still a good driver, they woud build their rating back up. They
> > responded again rudely against that.
> > I have all the emails they have sent along with the replay if any of
> > you with Nascar 4 is interested in viewing it. I have no problem
> > showing anyone, because simply I am not a wrecker and in the replay,
> > although there being close calls, there was NO WRECK.
> > I am just baffled by all of this... and because of this, it concerns
> > me that others online may become banned eventually for something papy
> > may see as an "intentional wreck" but is simply not the case.
> > Wanta hear something else bad... well I am (or should I say was) in
> > this racing league... and was getting very serious and competitive
> > about it... so since the Nascar 4 games eats up a system (i had a
> > pentium 3 500 w/ 128mb ram and 20gb hard drive) I decided to buy a new
> > computer now instead of waiting on down the road(AMD 1.4ghz, 256mb
> > ram, 64mb geforce 2 video card) and a new Nascar Pro 2 racing wheel
> > and pedals from thrustmaster. Bascially I would not have had to buy a
> > new computer if I wasn't into racing online in the league so much...
> > but now that I am banned... well you get what I'm saying. :(
> > I have been a MAJOR Papy fan since the Nascar Racing 1 days,
> > purchasing every nascar racing game and expansion pack all the way up
> > through Nascar 4. Now, I might have to go for an EA Sports Nascar
> > game just to race online.
> > If ANYONE would like to see the replay they sent me of the "wreck the
> > never happened" and/or the emails from Papy's manager... please email
> > me at dcibra...@yahoo.com and I would be happy to send them to you. :)
> > Anyone wanta comment on this...or banning in general?
> > email papy's manager at online....@papy.com
> > thanks for your time!
> > BH
> > Dodgefan!
instead of banning people totally:
- ban them from just papy servers (which would still allow them to
host races or race in leagues, etc)
- drop their rating and reset it back to zero (this is the way the
rating system was SUPPOST to work in the first place... keeping the
good drivers from the bad one's... oh well they already tried to redo
it once since it's release)
- Make IC (Incidents Caused) rating score count much larger towards
total ratings (whether intentional or not this would make cleaner
racing all around)
- ban them for a limited amount of time (1 week or hell 1 month... but
this banning them forever thing is way too far... i'm not the only
driver who isn't a wrecker to be banned... you wouldn't believe the
email's I've been getting)
Papy obviously has some strange business related problems... even
their moderators which is their support staff make some harsh comments
in the forums towards people... the online mod guy that sent me the
replay was very rude to me in his emails. The mods in the chat forums
will say things like "ONLY MAKE POSTS FOR FIXES OR HELP RELATED TO
NASCAR 4" then the next post will be started by moderator saying
something about Carp (yes really)
they have even banned me from their forum which I think is totally
unreal. If i knew this is the way they treat some of their customers
(whether it be me or others) I would have never bought Nascar 1, 2, 3,
& 4 with all the expansion packs.
The rating system 0-10 should be for the wreckers... but when I race
in 5 or higher... well there are still bad wreckers there so you tell
me what is the rating system for? I have gotten wrecked TONS of
time.. but NEVER have I turned anyone in... ya know why... cause it is
called ONLINE RACING... if I wanted a group of clean drivers racing
for points.. the I would join a league just like I did... Nascar 3
never had these problems online at all... I think the rating system is
to blame cause the wreckers go after people to***up their ratings.
If the ratings system was worth a damn... it might work.
anyways, there is nothing else I can do... if any or all of you would
and tell them what you think about my experience and/or banning in
general it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks guys and god bless
Brandon
> My idea of an arbitration board would solve the problem of people being
> banned for unfortunate incidents.
> Mike Grandy
> Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
> 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale
> What leagues don't have their own way of handling incidents? I can
> see
> being banned from apickup race scenario, but not league play, EVERY
> LEAGUE
> I've ever seen has it's own rules and protest/incident handling. If
> it was
> a league race as it seems it was, the LEAGUE should have handled
> it....
> --
> Biz
> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> the....." - Ash
> > As always John there is no perfect way to police something like
> this.
> There
> > should be some way to arbitrate a decision like this where the
> suspended
> > racer can appeal to a board(of fellow peers) that would review the
> > circumstances and listen to recommendations from other members of
> the
> league
> > the individual is in.
> > Mike Grandy
> > Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
> > 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale
> says...
> > > Why not park it when your severely damaged? Like it or not you
> being
> out
> > > there in the way caused others to get wrecked, looks like on more
> than
> one
> > > occasion. Sounds to me like your down playing your involvement in
> incidents
> > > during that race. Are you sure you weren't in the high line on
> the
> > > backstretch when the leaders were trying to go low and you came
> right
> across
> > > the track in front of them causing the wreck? I think that is
> alittle
> > > closer to the truth.
> > Even if that were the case, bad judgement is still not the same as
> > intentionally wrecking. Maybe he waited too long to move to the low
> > line, and as I recall his description of the front stretch incident,
> > that is a typical scenario of events when you make a mistake.
> Without
> > seeing the replay, we can't make a valid call on it one way or the
> > other.
> > I have mixed feelings about the banning of wreckers like this. Many
> > times, a person may just be having a bad racing day. I have
> personally
> > never intentionally wrecked someone, but I have had days when I
> couldn't
> > drive the car in a straight line, even I was velcroed to the
> back-strech
> > wall at dega. On those days, I have sometimes been accused of
> > intentional wrecking, but I just ignore the flamer and keep driving
> > because I know better.
> > The original poster is in a league and he can't participate in those
> > league races if the server is reguistered on WON. IMHO (and within
> the
> > context provided), that is an unfair restriction of use of the game.
> > I haven't raced online since the new policy went into effect because
> all
> > it takes is one person to get you on Papy's radar, and that's not
> > someplace I want to spend my time (as a driver). I wonder how many
> > other people feel the same way.
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