I find this very worrying indeed. While I hope honest mistakes would be
recognised as such, but in light of recent events I'm not intent on finding
out.
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
> here's an interesting email someone sent me:
> When I purchased the N4 software, the license agreement states that it
> is a "feature" of the software that enables me to drive on the sierra
> network. It does not say it is a "privilege". It also makes no
> statement that feature functionality of the product can/will be
> removed based upon the "opinion" of someone else as it relates to my
> driving ability or my driving judgement.
The MOTD states this. And you must respond OK each time you wish to
race online. No case there.
Next.....
--
Fester
I do not know about you, but I do not like just throwing $40 out the window.
If you do, let me email you my paypal account info :)
> Don Burnette
> > Well as much as I agree with Papy trying to clean up the racing a little
> > bit, I do think that what they are doing is a bit harsh.
> > 1. I do not think that they should ban someone from one
report/incident.
> > I think that a warning could be given (maybe put all the CD-Keys in a
list
> > that have a warning and when the person logs in the MOTD mentions to
them
> > that they have a warning) and then upon further incidents a ban may be
> > necessary. I imagine that if this was you for a complete accident and
> you
> > were all of a sudden banned, your view may be different?
> > 2. Why do they need to be banned from total online racing? Why not just
> ban
> > them from the Papy servers since those are the only ones that Papy is
> > monitoring and to be quite honest, the only servers Papy should have any
> say
> > about.
> > 3. Kinda leads from #2. I would not be surprised if Papy found
> themselves
> > in legal action for this. Can you honestly sell someone a game like
this
> > and then ban them from using it? I am not going to get into the EULA
> > because according to that, you can not eat toast while playing N4.
> > > Unfortuantely thats what I got out of it. I've probably even done it
> > myself
> > > unintentionally.
> > > Mike Grandy
> > > Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
> > > 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale
> Grandy"
> > > >If you think about it, theres a damaged car high coming off turn 2
and
> > the
> > > >leaders are coming up from behind. The lap car comes down across the
> > track
> > > >in front of the leaders and wrecks them. What does that look like to
> you?
> > > That's what I was thinking. From the description, it SOUNDS
deliberate.
> > > Viewing the replay, it would probably LOOK deliberate, too. Not
saying
> it
> > > was,
> > > but I think people can see why the victim would think so.
> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...
> > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then
beats
> > you
> > > with experience...
> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
I do not have a problem with the way it is, but regardless.. I can look at
it from a neutral point of view and see the other side of the coin.
> > I think what he means is this.. imagine that you are going into turn 3
at
> > michigan and you spin your car.
> > Your car is now in the way of others. Well a few things could happen
> here.
> > One, others could go slamming into you, call you a intentional wrecker
and
> > maybe you are the next on the banned list.
> > Personally, if I slammed into the wall and I was coming off the wall in
> > front of traffic and I knew my day was pretty much over, I would quickly
> hit
> > ESC, get out of their way and get out of the race. You can not do that
> > now, the way it is now, you could easily cause a 5-6 car pileup before
you
> > can stop the car and get out of it.
> > > Go to your Pit Stall and sit There for rest of race?? DUH?
> > > --
> > > R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000
It has happened to all of us. What is scary that it could happen at any
time and *poof*, you are banned.
> --
> Sean Higgins
> Redline Racing League
> www.rrlnrs.com
> Redline BGN Division
> http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/RRL/
> Higgins"
> > >Ya that will be cheaper than $50. LMAO Just bite the bullet and
> > >explain your case to Papy, if they don't like it, and racing online is
> that
> > >important to you go buy another copy of the game. Live and Learn!
> > ...And if it happens again...?
> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...
> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Subject: Re: AFTER watching the replay MYSELF, here are MY VIEWS :)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
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Date: 2001-08-26 11:48:20 PST
Looks Like? Must be?
Clearly intentional?
How about Guilty, until proven innocent?
I watched the replay and I see no conclusive evidence of intent,
except to get out of the way.
And why wasn't the striking car holding his line, as the rules state?
This is Pathetic! But clearly an example of the "new" American Way.
> Sorry, but I don't believe your explanation, the whole incident just smacks
> of malice. If you did that to me I would have reported you.
> I would like to see a longer replay too.
> Ian Bell
> Proud member of http://www.uk-racing.net
> Get my F1RC setups and track guides at http://race-simulator.com
> GP3, F12000 setups at http://www.bhmotorsports.com
Thanks,
Alex
> >> In my house I have two kids that are both old enough and qualified
> >> enough to drive online. Both are rather good, with better ratings and
> >> LPI than I have. LOL.
> > Poor kids...
> As this thread twists, he keeps bringing in new things... If these kids
> have better ratings and LPI than you, why do you start by saying they are
> old enough and qualified enough? That implies they aren't yet racing
> online.
> --
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> Join the Stock Car Pro Racing Club. http://www.scprc.com
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On larger tracks slower cars always stay HIGH! Dodging to the bottom
or the top causes wrecks.
Your pretty much saying what I said. I think Papy's rule is a bit strict,
but I did mention he could have just been frustrated and had a dark moment,
but to me it looked really intentional. I tried swerving like he did on the
same track offline and it's extremely hard to get back on track after
swerving that hard.
Thanks,
Alex
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:42:47 GMT, "Alex Kihurani"
> >Okay, I got the replay from B. Hilton, and it looked REALLY bad. Ok,
here's
> >what really happens.
> <snip>
> >I still don't know if he's a *** wrecker or a good driver who just
had
> >a dark, frustrated moment, and took someone out. But still, there was no
> >doubt in my mind that it was intentional.
> Alex.. this banning and blaming stuff is quite dangerous. It's
> extremely hard to tell if a crash was intentional even if you have the
> replay.
> I did not watch the replay, this topic is interesting enough to keep
> it general, I don't want to start an endless discussion about this
> particulair replay.
> Banning should only be used when it's totally obvious.
> With totally obvious I mean a driver taking out every possible car,
> driving the wrong way, waiting untill a car is behind him and ramming
> him off the road.. we've all seen nutcases like these in N4 online.
> Everyone can have a bad day, making a totally stupid mistake causing
> an accident which looks intentional while watching the replay.
> One can even get carried away during a race, getting frustrated and
> taking out that frustration on someone else. This is only human, it
> even happens to real life drivers, and one should not be banned for
> this if it happens once.
> Unless it happens more than once ofcourse..
> A warning should be given first, with a clear explanation of why the
> warning was given. The wrecker should have a fair chance to defend
> himself. A second (or third) time a wrecker causes the same stupid
> accident a ban would be justified.
> Andre
> >Thanks,
> >Alex
Uuuhhh...no. The overtaking car is the one who should be deciding where to
go. Lapper...hold your line. Why is this so difficult to grasp? That doesn't
mean the lapper cannot go high. That means that where ever the lappers
goes..stay there! Don't change lanes as the leaders are bearing down on you.
And why are we saying it's the programs fault for drivers' mistakes?
--
In memory of DE,
- Will
- M1MS
- http://mach1.simhq.com
So you lied...you flat out lied to Papy. So much for that "i'm a strong
christian" part a bit earlier, eh? In those emails you posted, you stated to
them that you are the ONLY one that uses your computer, and now you're
saying you have two kids that race also. So which is it?
--
In memory of DE,
- Will
- M1MS
- http://mach1.simhq.com
You're taking this way out of context. Holding your line means once you go
somewhere (wether it be high or low) you sit your ass there and wait for it
to be clear. It does NOT mean to never move your fricken car. Not a
difficult concept here.
--
In memory of DE,
- Will
- M1MS
- http://mach1.simhq.com
> So you lied...you flat out lied to Papy. So much for that "i'm a strong
> christian" part a bit earlier, eh? In those emails you posted, you
> stated to them that you are the ONLY one that uses your computer, and
> now you're saying you have two kids that race also. So which is it?
--
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<email invalid due to spammers>
> --
> Sean Higgins
> Redline Racing League
> www.rrlnrs.com
> Redline BGN Division
> http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/RRL/
> Higgins"
> > >Ya that will be cheaper than $50. LMAO Just bite the bullet and
> > >explain your case to Papy, if they don't like it, and racing online is
> that
> > >important to you go buy another copy of the game. Live and Learn!
> > ...And if it happens again...?
> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...
> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
No offence, but why the hell does the number of posts he has made here
matter?
