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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:20:46

Well, it was bound to happen.  Windows XP's stupid product activation was
_bound_ to***up eventually.

Well, it did.

This evening, I was troubleshooting network connectivity problems on my XP
Client Machine.  One of the steps I took was the time-honored tradition of
removing the Ethernet Card entry in the Device Manager, and letting Windows
re-detect it and reinstall the drivers during restart.

Well, instead of Windows XP booting up and redetecting the NIC card and
reinstalling the drivers, I got the dreaded Windows XP Activation notice!

It said something about not being able to validate my Hardware
Configuration, and asked me if I wanted to re-activate.

Sure, why not.

However, because this stupid Product Activation would not let the system
boot up into Windows, the damned NIC card drivers were not allowed to
reinstall and.  This means, of course, that product activation could not do
it's thing over the Internet.

Ok, fine.  I've got 10 minutes to waste (like I really had a choice).

I called the toll-free number.

Now, I went through the drawn-out automated re-activation process, where you
punch in this ridiculously long number, and wait for it to read back your
activation key.

Except, it said it could not validate my hardware configuration.

Now, I had to get passed to a 'human' to get it done.

Ok, so now I get to plead my case for the continuing privilage of using an
operating system that I paid good money for to someone on the telephone.  I
didn't get the impression that this person really understood the technical
issue behind this (which I consider a bug in activation), but I did get
re-activated.

Windows finally booted, installed my NIC card drivers, and I was back on the
Internet.

So, my solution fixed my Network problem, but it was like travelling from
***ia to Maryland, by way of San Diego.

Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my data
locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

If it weren't for the fact that I'd have to go back to Dual-Boot 98/2K (2K
won't run all of my software), I would throw this XP disk in the damned
trash can.

We don't need this crap.

Larry

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:14:07

Windows XP should absolutely NOT react like that since a single hardware
change should never have sent the activation out of tolerance.  See:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Additionally, this Microsoft Knowledge Base article should help if this ever
occurs in the future:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/;EN-US;q305356

I would suggest you make quick notes of precisely your system information,
which version of Windows XP (Home or Pro), method of installation (clean
install or upgrade), the original problem and steps you took to correct it,
which brand Ethernet card it was, what the error message in Device Manager
was which prompted you to uninstall the card and reinstall it, and e-mail
them to me so I can forward the information to the proper people for further
investigation.  You might also note, if you know, the names of the persons
who assisted in the activation center, the time and date of your call.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:25:24

Chris,

There was no error on the card in the device manager.  It was simply my
desire to 'freshen' the installation and the drivers for the Intel
In-Business 10/100 NIC Card, which did, in the end, fix my Network problems.

The only hardware changes that have been made to this computer are the
installation of a Maxtor ATA/133 Controller and 80GB Maxtor D740X hard
drive, and the replacement of an old Pioneer DVD-113 with a new Pioneer
DVD-116 DVD drive.

I assure you I was suprised as well :)

I don't know the exact time, but it was about 9pm this evening.

The guy on the phone was nice and all.  No complaints there.  However I
didn't get the impression that he understood what I was reporting, and that
I felt it was a bug in the Activation system.

It still all boils down to the fact that we don't need this nonsense.

Thanks for your input!

-Larry


> Windows XP should absolutely NOT react like that since a single hardware
> change should never have sent the activation out of tolerance.  See:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Additionally, this Microsoft Knowledge Base article should help if this
ever
> occurs in the future:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/;EN-US;q305356

> I would suggest you make quick notes of precisely your system information,
> which version of Windows XP (Home or Pro), method of installation (clean
> install or upgrade), the original problem and steps you took to correct
it,
> which brand Ethernet card it was, what the error message in Device Manager
> was which prompted you to uninstall the card and reinstall it, and e-mail
> them to me so I can forward the information to the proper people for
further
> investigation.  You might also note, if you know, the names of the persons
> who assisted in the activation center, the time and date of your call.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



> > Well, it was bound to happen.  Windows XP's stupid product activation
was
> > _bound_ to***up eventually.

> > Well, it did.

> > This evening, I was troubleshooting network connectivity problems on my
XP
> > Client Machine.  One of the steps I took was the time-honored tradition
of
> > removing the Ethernet Card entry in the Device Manager, and letting
> Windows
> > re-detect it and reinstall the drivers during restart.

> > Well, instead of Windows XP booting up and redetecting the NIC card and
> > reinstalling the drivers, I got the dreaded Windows XP Activation
notice!

> > It said something about not being able to validate my Hardware
> > Configuration, and asked me if I wanted to re-activate.

> > Sure, why not.

> > However, because this stupid Product Activation would not let the system
> > boot up into Windows, the damned NIC card drivers were not allowed to
> > reinstall and.  This means, of course, that product activation could not
> do
> > it's thing over the Internet.

> > Ok, fine.  I've got 10 minutes to waste (like I really had a choice).

> > I called the toll-free number.

> > Now, I went through the drawn-out automated re-activation process, where
> you
> > punch in this ridiculously long number, and wait for it to read back
your
> > activation key.

> > Except, it said it could not validate my hardware configuration.

> > Now, I had to get passed to a 'human' to get it done.

> > Ok, so now I get to plead my case for the continuing privilage of using
an
> > operating system that I paid good money for to someone on the telephone.
> I
> > didn't get the impression that this person really understood the
technical
> > issue behind this (which I consider a bug in activation), but I did get
> > re-activated.

> > Windows finally booted, installed my NIC card drivers, and I was back on
> the
> > Internet.

> > So, my solution fixed my Network problem, but it was like travelling
from
> > ***ia to Maryland, by way of San Diego.

> > Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my data
> > locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> > If it weren't for the fact that I'd have to go back to Dual-Boot 98/2K
(2K
> > won't run all of my software), I would throw this XP disk in the damned
> > trash can.

> > We don't need this crap.

> > Larry

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:27:14

Oh, forgot.  Home version.

-Larry


> Windows XP should absolutely NOT react like that since a single hardware
> change should never have sent the activation out of tolerance.  See:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Additionally, this Microsoft Knowledge Base article should help if this
ever
> occurs in the future:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/;EN-US;q305356

> I would suggest you make quick notes of precisely your system information,
> which version of Windows XP (Home or Pro), method of installation (clean
> install or upgrade), the original problem and steps you took to correct
it,
> which brand Ethernet card it was, what the error message in Device Manager
> was which prompted you to uninstall the card and reinstall it, and e-mail
> them to me so I can forward the information to the proper people for
further
> investigation.  You might also note, if you know, the names of the persons
> who assisted in the activation center, the time and date of your call.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



> > Well, it was bound to happen.  Windows XP's stupid product activation
was
> > _bound_ to***up eventually.

> > Well, it did.

> > This evening, I was troubleshooting network connectivity problems on my
XP
> > Client Machine.  One of the steps I took was the time-honored tradition
of
> > removing the Ethernet Card entry in the Device Manager, and letting
> Windows
> > re-detect it and reinstall the drivers during restart.

> > Well, instead of Windows XP booting up and redetecting the NIC card and
> > reinstalling the drivers, I got the dreaded Windows XP Activation
notice!

> > It said something about not being able to validate my Hardware
> > Configuration, and asked me if I wanted to re-activate.

> > Sure, why not.

> > However, because this stupid Product Activation would not let the system
> > boot up into Windows, the damned NIC card drivers were not allowed to
> > reinstall and.  This means, of course, that product activation could not
> do
> > it's thing over the Internet.

> > Ok, fine.  I've got 10 minutes to waste (like I really had a choice).

> > I called the toll-free number.

> > Now, I went through the drawn-out automated re-activation process, where
> you
> > punch in this ridiculously long number, and wait for it to read back
your
> > activation key.

> > Except, it said it could not validate my hardware configuration.

> > Now, I had to get passed to a 'human' to get it done.

> > Ok, so now I get to plead my case for the continuing privilage of using
an
> > operating system that I paid good money for to someone on the telephone.
> I
> > didn't get the impression that this person really understood the
technical
> > issue behind this (which I consider a bug in activation), but I did get
> > re-activated.

> > Windows finally booted, installed my NIC card drivers, and I was back on
> the
> > Internet.

> > So, my solution fixed my Network problem, but it was like travelling
from
> > ***ia to Maryland, by way of San Diego.

> > Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my data
> > locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> > If it weren't for the fact that I'd have to go back to Dual-Boot 98/2K
(2K
> > won't run all of my software), I would throw this XP disk in the damned
> > trash can.

> > We don't need this crap.

> > Larry

Rob Adam

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Rob Adam » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:31:05

A single hardware change won't, EXCEPT if it's the network card. Don't ask
why...


> Windows XP should absolutely NOT react like that since a single hardware
> change should never have sent the activation out of tolerance.  See:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Additionally, this Microsoft Knowledge Base article should help if this
ever
> occurs in the future:
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/;EN-US;q305356

> I would suggest you make quick notes of precisely your system information,
> which version of Windows XP (Home or Pro), method of installation (clean
> install or upgrade), the original problem and steps you took to correct
it,
> which brand Ethernet card it was, what the error message in Device Manager
> was which prompted you to uninstall the card and reinstall it, and e-mail
> them to me so I can forward the information to the proper people for
further
> investigation.  You might also note, if you know, the names of the persons
> who assisted in the activation center, the time and date of your call.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



> > Well, it was bound to happen.  Windows XP's stupid product activation
was
> > _bound_ to***up eventually.

> > Well, it did.

> > This evening, I was troubleshooting network connectivity problems on my
XP
> > Client Machine.  One of the steps I took was the time-honored tradition
of
> > removing the Ethernet Card entry in the Device Manager, and letting
> Windows
> > re-detect it and reinstall the drivers during restart.

> > Well, instead of Windows XP booting up and redetecting the NIC card and
> > reinstalling the drivers, I got the dreaded Windows XP Activation
notice!

> > It said something about not being able to validate my Hardware
> > Configuration, and asked me if I wanted to re-activate.

> > Sure, why not.

> > However, because this stupid Product Activation would not let the system
> > boot up into Windows, the damned NIC card drivers were not allowed to
> > reinstall and.  This means, of course, that product activation could not
> do
> > it's thing over the Internet.

> > Ok, fine.  I've got 10 minutes to waste (like I really had a choice).

> > I called the toll-free number.

> > Now, I went through the drawn-out automated re-activation process, where
> you
> > punch in this ridiculously long number, and wait for it to read back
your
> > activation key.

> > Except, it said it could not validate my hardware configuration.

> > Now, I had to get passed to a 'human' to get it done.

> > Ok, so now I get to plead my case for the continuing privilage of using
an
> > operating system that I paid good money for to someone on the telephone.
> I
> > didn't get the impression that this person really understood the
technical
> > issue behind this (which I consider a bug in activation), but I did get
> > re-activated.

> > Windows finally booted, installed my NIC card drivers, and I was back on
> the
> > Internet.

> > So, my solution fixed my Network problem, but it was like travelling
from
> > ***ia to Maryland, by way of San Diego.

> > Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my data
> > locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> > If it weren't for the fact that I'd have to go back to Dual-Boot 98/2K
(2K
> > won't run all of my software), I would throw this XP disk in the damned
> > trash can.

> > We don't need this crap.

> > Larry

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:35:57

Yeah, but I didn't actually remove the hardware.

This would, in a way, indicate that WPA is working off of the driver for the
hardware, and not the hardware itself.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a scary thought.

BTW. the NIC card caries more weight due to the MAC Address, which, like
fingerprints, is supposed to be totally unique to each and every Ethernet
interface on earth.

-Larry


> A single hardware change won't, EXCEPT if it's the network card. Don't ask
> why...



> > Windows XP should absolutely NOT react like that since a single hardware
> > change should never have sent the activation out of tolerance.  See:
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > Additionally, this Microsoft Knowledge Base article should help if this
> ever
> > occurs in the future:
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/;EN-US;q305356

> > I would suggest you make quick notes of precisely your system
information,
> > which version of Windows XP (Home or Pro), method of installation (clean
> > install or upgrade), the original problem and steps you took to correct
> it,
> > which brand Ethernet card it was, what the error message in Device
Manager
> > was which prompted you to uninstall the card and reinstall it, and
e-mail
> > them to me so I can forward the information to the proper people for
> further
> > investigation.  You might also note, if you know, the names of the
persons
> > who assisted in the activation center, the time and date of your call.
> > --
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



> > > Well, it was bound to happen.  Windows XP's stupid product activation
> was
> > > _bound_ to***up eventually.

> > > Well, it did.

> > > This evening, I was troubleshooting network connectivity problems on
my
> XP
> > > Client Machine.  One of the steps I took was the time-honored
tradition
> of
> > > removing the Ethernet Card entry in the Device Manager, and letting
> > Windows
> > > re-detect it and reinstall the drivers during restart.

> > > Well, instead of Windows XP booting up and redetecting the NIC card
and
> > > reinstalling the drivers, I got the dreaded Windows XP Activation
> notice!

> > > It said something about not being able to validate my Hardware
> > > Configuration, and asked me if I wanted to re-activate.

> > > Sure, why not.

> > > However, because this stupid Product Activation would not let the
system
> > > boot up into Windows, the damned NIC card drivers were not allowed to
> > > reinstall and.  This means, of course, that product activation could
not
> > do
> > > it's thing over the Internet.

> > > Ok, fine.  I've got 10 minutes to waste (like I really had a choice).

> > > I called the toll-free number.

> > > Now, I went through the drawn-out automated re-activation process,
where
> > you
> > > punch in this ridiculously long number, and wait for it to read back
> your
> > > activation key.

> > > Except, it said it could not validate my hardware configuration.

> > > Now, I had to get passed to a 'human' to get it done.

> > > Ok, so now I get to plead my case for the continuing privilage of
using
> an
> > > operating system that I paid good money for to someone on the
telephone.
> > I
> > > didn't get the impression that this person really understood the
> technical
> > > issue behind this (which I consider a bug in activation), but I did
get
> > > re-activated.

> > > Windows finally booted, installed my NIC card drivers, and I was back
on
> > the
> > > Internet.

> > > So, my solution fixed my Network problem, but it was like travelling
> from
> > > ***ia to Maryland, by way of San Diego.

> > > Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my
data
> > > locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> > > If it weren't for the fact that I'd have to go back to Dual-Boot 98/2K
> (2K
> > > won't run all of my software), I would throw this XP disk in the
damned
> > > trash can.

> > > We don't need this crap.

> > > Larry

Milhous

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Milhous » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:59:00

Which is why you just hack WPA out of XP.  It can't be terribly hard if
versions modified as such were floating around the internet long before XP
was even released...

Milhouse



Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:20:33

The NIC does carry extra weight in the calculation, Larry, plus you made
three other changes, too.  Remember, if you're going to make a lot of
changes, note the date you've activated because after 120 days the system is
reset to "zero" amount of the calculated hardware changes.  This is sort of
saying if you were 100 days into your first activation, changing of the
controller, hard drive and adding another drive (don't believe that's
counted, but anyway) would count only until the 121st day.

Then those changes are reset to zero and adding the NIC would not have
triggered anything because it would only have been count one or two (at
most) of the four to six allowed changes.  At this moment, I don't see
anything but activation seeing a "different" system, therefore requiring the
telephone call.  I can see where activation may have been triggered by the
numerous changes within a single, 120-day period, but if you'd like I'll
continue to track it down so we know for sure.

It is stuff like this which is keeping me from installing my USB MS
SideWinder FF wheel and hitting the GPL tracks.  8-)  GPL, with the update
patch, runs quite well for me on a clean NTFS install of  Windows XP Pro, an
AMD Thunderbird 1 GB with 512 PC133 RAM and a GeForce2 MX400 w/64 Megs.  8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



Tim Wheatle

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Tim Wheatle » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:55:46

Well... why do you believe you needed to reinstall something which was
working?

Tim



Tim Wheatle

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Tim Wheatle » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:56:14

Ah, forget my reply then.



> Chris,

> There was no error on the card in the device manager.  It was simply my
> desire to 'freshen' the installation and the drivers for the Intel
> In-Business 10/100 NIC Card, which did, in the end, fix my Network
problems.

> The only hardware changes that have been made to this computer are the
> installation of a Maxtor ATA/133 Controller and 80GB Maxtor D740X hard
> drive, and the replacement of an old Pioneer DVD-113 with a new Pioneer
> DVD-116 DVD drive.

> I assure you I was suprised as well :)

> I don't know the exact time, but it was about 9pm this evening.

> The guy on the phone was nice and all.  No complaints there.  However I
> didn't get the impression that he understood what I was reporting, and
that
> I felt it was a bug in the Activation system.

> It still all boils down to the fact that we don't need this nonsense.

> Thanks for your input!

> -Larry



> > Windows XP should absolutely NOT react like that since a single hardware
> > change should never have sent the activation out of tolerance.  See:
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > Additionally, this Microsoft Knowledge Base article should help if this
> ever
> > occurs in the future:
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/;EN-US;q305356

> > I would suggest you make quick notes of precisely your system
information,
> > which version of Windows XP (Home or Pro), method of installation (clean
> > install or upgrade), the original problem and steps you took to correct
> it,
> > which brand Ethernet card it was, what the error message in Device
Manager
> > was which prompted you to uninstall the card and reinstall it, and
e-mail
> > them to me so I can forward the information to the proper people for
> further
> > investigation.  You might also note, if you know, the names of the
persons
> > who assisted in the activation center, the time and date of your call.
> > --
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



> > > Well, it was bound to happen.  Windows XP's stupid product activation
> was
> > > _bound_ to***up eventually.

> > > Well, it did.

> > > This evening, I was troubleshooting network connectivity problems on
my
> XP
> > > Client Machine.  One of the steps I took was the time-honored
tradition
> of
> > > removing the Ethernet Card entry in the Device Manager, and letting
> > Windows
> > > re-detect it and reinstall the drivers during restart.

> > > Well, instead of Windows XP booting up and redetecting the NIC card
and
> > > reinstalling the drivers, I got the dreaded Windows XP Activation
> notice!

> > > It said something about not being able to validate my Hardware
> > > Configuration, and asked me if I wanted to re-activate.

> > > Sure, why not.

> > > However, because this stupid Product Activation would not let the
system
> > > boot up into Windows, the damned NIC card drivers were not allowed to
> > > reinstall and.  This means, of course, that product activation could
not
> > do
> > > it's thing over the Internet.

> > > Ok, fine.  I've got 10 minutes to waste (like I really had a choice).

> > > I called the toll-free number.

> > > Now, I went through the drawn-out automated re-activation process,
where
> > you
> > > punch in this ridiculously long number, and wait for it to read back
> your
> > > activation key.

> > > Except, it said it could not validate my hardware configuration.

> > > Now, I had to get passed to a 'human' to get it done.

> > > Ok, so now I get to plead my case for the continuing privilage of
using
> an
> > > operating system that I paid good money for to someone on the
telephone.
> > I
> > > didn't get the impression that this person really understood the
> technical
> > > issue behind this (which I consider a bug in activation), but I did
get
> > > re-activated.

> > > Windows finally booted, installed my NIC card drivers, and I was back
on
> > the
> > > Internet.

> > > So, my solution fixed my Network problem, but it was like travelling
> from
> > > ***ia to Maryland, by way of San Diego.

> > > Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my
data
> > > locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> > > If it weren't for the fact that I'd have to go back to Dual-Boot 98/2K
> (2K
> > > won't run all of my software), I would throw this XP disk in the
damned
> > > trash can.

> > > We don't need this crap.

> > > Larry

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:58:10



I read that if you save the wpa.dbl file you can always restore it by going
to minimal safe mode. Also, there are cracks for XP if you really want to
avoid the assinine activation scheme that Microsoft has foisted upon it's
customers and caused us all this grief while the pirates still continue to
provide pirated copies of XP.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:59:41


That's not six changes is it? We were told we would be allowed to make six
changes every six months.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:02:36


Why? A joystick/wheel doesn't count as a hardware change.

Blak

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Blak » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:29:23

When did Microsoft become an authority in how many changes I can make on MY
system?? WTF is that lame crap!




> > The NIC does carry extra weight in the calculation, Larry, plus you made
> > three other changes, too.

> That's not six changes is it? We were told we would be allowed to make six
> changes every six months.

Gerry Aitke

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Gerry Aitke » Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:19:18


> It is stuff like this which is keeping me from installing my USB MS
> SideWinder FF wheel and hitting the GPL tracks.  

Oh dear, your OS is commanding part of your life. :( How so very sad!

Cheers

Gerry


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