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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:24:32

On my way!

-Larry


> Free download for registered owners from www.powerquest.com .
> --
> Chris H.



> > 5.01?  There's been an update?

> > Gotta go look :)

> > -Larry



> > > I can vouch for DriveImage 5.01

> > > Don Burnette



> > > > Ghost 7.0 works fine with XP on NTFS, and so does DriveImage 5.0.
> > > > --
> > > > Chris H.







> > > > > > > If MS didn't feel like overcharging for anything and
everything
> > they
> > > > > > sell -
> > > > > > > you could spend more on the software you're putting on your
> > computer
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > the computer itself with Microsoft products alone - I highly
> doubt
> > > > > piracy
> > > > > > > would be any problem.

> > > > > > I don't consider MS pricing overpriced at all. Considering that
> > Norton
> > > > > Ghost
> > > > > > 2002 costs $119.00 CAD and XP Home cost me $139.00 CAD I would
say
> > > that
> > > > XP
> > > > > > gives far more bng for the buck.

> > > > > Ghost costs that much for absolute CRAP!?!?  Wow.  It can't even
> deal
> > > with
> > > > > NTFS partitions!  I think I got it packaged with a motherboard
once.

> > > > > Milhouse

> > > > > > > And I'll take my friends over some 100% anti-MS *** whining
in
> a
> > > > > > newsgroup
> > > > > > > any day.

> > > > > > At least I don't steal from Microsoft! You think your friends
are
> > some
> > > > > > modern day Robin Hood's or what?

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:27:01

While in theory your method would work, it does not work when dealing with a
Monopoly.

Which is the worst part about a Monopoly.  Voting with one's wallet is not a
concern to them.

-Larry


The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:29:00

Microsoft will sure count it as one, Eldred :)

-Larry




> >> Eldred, you are missing the point here: Chris doesn't care. Bill said
it
> >is
> >> good, thus it is good. You're just a regular user (a technically
> >sophisticated
> >> one with networking skills etc.) but you're not supposed to act like
you
> >own the
> >> pc. Just buy a Dell/Compaq/Gateway and leave it at that. Smile, be
happy.
> >Chris
> >> is - because he doesn't own a copy that requires activation repeatedly.

> >I have to agree with Chris, if you don't like the "features" of XP, don't
> >buy it (although don't even think about buying a new computer, thats
another
> >subject though). All the moaning and complaining means nothing if you go
out
> >and buy it. The only message that Microsoft will listen to is the
finacial
> >one, if XP flops then that is a message they will listen to. Otherwise
why
> >should they care if your happy? You keep buying there software.
> >Although, it is nice to hear of the problems to inform people (which is
what
> >this tread started out being).

> I *don't* plan to buy it, as I've stated in another message.  However, my
dad
> wants a new computer, which I *know* will come with XP.  I'm SERIOUSLY
> considering re-formatting the damn thing when he gets it, and installing
> win98se...<g>
> So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang OS, is
that
> an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:30:18

I agree.

But reserve the right to complain about the defective portions of it, such
as WPA :)

-Larry




> > I *don't* plan to buy it, as I've stated in another message.  However,
my
> dad
> > wants a new computer, which I *know* will come with XP.  I'm SERIOUSLY
> > considering re-formatting the damn thing when he gets it, and installing
> > win98se...<g>
> > So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang OS,
is
> that
> > an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

> > Eldred

> If your Dad is a computer neophyte he is much better off with XP IMO.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:32:21

Yeah, it took the guy on TechTV's "TheScreenSavers" all of an hour to get
the songs ripped from the so-called unbreakable "Fast and Furious" CD, or
whatever the hell it was called.

It was funny :)  You could tell he wanted to brag about how he did it, but
kept his mouth shut in fear of the DMCA.

Crap.  MORE Censorship, courtesy of the Entertainment Industry.

-Larry



> >It seems to have been dropped now though, *** gave it another think,
> >but then again, the only 2 CD's released so far that I know of was
> >Natalie Imbruglia (who ?) and Westlife (yippe, since I don't own a
> >regular stereo, I'll never play their CD by accident should anyone leave
> >one around here for some strange and obscure reason, thx ***,
> >actually I'd like to see more CD's with this copy protection when I
> >think about it, ........:-)

> You missed the CDs by Michael Jackson and Incubus.  We occasionally get
reports
> from Sony about our students sharing mp3's from those 2 artists.  Yep, the
> copy-protected CDs really kept people from making their mp3's...
> Bravo, Sony!
> <g>

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:33:30

We're talking MP3 here.  Perfect Digital Copies are not a concern...

-Larry






> >>You know, this whole activation thing reminds me of the copy protected
music
> >>CDs that came out recently. There was such an uproar about not being
able to
> >>play these CDs on different CD players and not being able to mp3 them.

> > Which was a dumb argument by the manufacturers.  I can run a line from
my
> > stereo to my computer sound card.  Once that's connected, I can make an
mp3 of
> > ANYTHING I run through the stereo.  TV programs, cassette tapes, albums,
etc.
> > You simply CAN'T prevent people from making any audio signal an mp3
file, if
> > they have the right equipment...

> Yes, you can do that, but it's not quite the same.  You've introduced
> noise and such by converting the signal to analog and back to digital
> again.  If you rip it directly off the CD in the PC's CD drive, this
> doesn't happen-- you get a perfect digital copy.  And that's what they're
> really trying to prevent.

> Nonetheless, I suspect most people would be perfectly satisfied with
> the results from your method...

>     Marc

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:35:14

It wasn't clear _how_ he wrote the CD's.  I was just discussing Packet
Writing in general as it seemed to fit the symptoms.

Another example of software that does Packet Writing that most don't know
about.  DriveImage creates CD's in packet written format.

-Larry




> > Actually, my guess is that they are being packet-written, and his Win98
> > doesn't have the UDF driver installed.

> > Packet-Written CD's (except in certain circumstances where some software
> > burners can 'close' them for use on other machines) are not a normal
> format
> > and need help.

> > -Larry

> You serious? XP uses packet writing even on a CDR? I don't think it is
> packet writing because when doing this drag and drop method it writes a
lead
> in/lead out just like when you burn cdr with other software. Packet
writing
> doesn't do that.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:36:25

Hey, you said it first!  I want a Royalty Fee!

In other words, I agreed 100% in a post about 2 min ago :)

-Larry



> As opposed to Microsoft, Philips is not a monopoly. MS is.
> Customer actions (or non-actions) only work to a certain
> extent, and they're next to useless in the face of a monopoly.

> uwe

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:38:55

Yeah, but I heard the Dad (I forget his name), was a genuine, prime, grade-A
*** in real life, and no one on the show could stand to be near the guy
between takes :)

-Larry



> writes:



> >> Who?

> >Jan Brady from the Brady Bunch TV show of the early '70's. She would have
> >days where nothing went right.

> I always liked her better than Marsha anyway...<g>

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:43:33

I hear WinXP can't read DirectCD burnt discs either...  I've always avoided
that crashware like the plague, so I can't test myself.

-Larry




> > As I said, I really probably know less about CD-ROMs/CD-R/CD-RW than
> anyone,
> > but dug out some information for you.  A good starting point is
> > http://www.aumha.org/a/xpcd.htm which discusses file systems and a
pretty
> > good unveiling of the Windows XP built-in CD burner system (in item 2).
> > There are also a couple other interesting links on that page.

> OK, thx for the info. I'm reading that web page now. But I don't think my
> problem is any of the below stuff you posted. I have a Ricoh MP7120A which
> is one of the better cdrw drives and it can burn/read any format,
including
> RAW mode. This is WinXP specific and the file format it is using. They are
> perfectly readable under XP, but not Win98. My guess is that Win98 needs a
> certain file(s) so it can read the cd's burned in XP. Which is more
bollocks
> from XP because I've burned cd's in Win98 and they are readable on any
other
> computer.I can burn with CloneCD (raw mode) in XP and they are readable on
> any computer. The problem only happens when using XP's  built in software.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:43:54

Adaptec/Roxio.

Ain't that a gag...

-Larry


The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:44:41

Isn't it funny that Ghost used to be a Shareware package :)

-Larry




> > I can vouch for DriveImage 5.01

>  Drive Image isn't cheap either. Cheaper than Norton Ghost though.

jlohma

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by jlohma » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:57:47

And complaining in a newsgroup that Microsoft probably doesn't even know
about, much less cares about is going to make a difference?
It is the only choice we have. There is no reason to go to XP, why give them
money and support them? Espically if there is no reason to have it.
A couple of years ago Intel had the identification built in the the P3. It
upset many people, many people did not buy a P3 because of that. When they
introduced the P4, they made sure everyone knew it did not have the
identification code in it. Although Intel is not a Monopoly, they are close
to a monopoly. It seemed to make a difference to Intel.
Let me ask you this, if everyone stopped buying XP, and stuck with 98, ME,
or 2000, which will still run almost everything you want to run, what would
happen to Microsofts profits? Espically with the Xbox (which is costing
Microsoft an arm and a leg). I think not buying it, can, and will make a
difference. It already has made a difference, there profits where down. They
did not sell XP the way they had hoped it would sale (even with the
commericals). In fact it is their worst launch of a operating system in
recent time.

Mitch Alatorr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Mitch Alatorr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:11:31

"You need to research your false claims *prior* to spewing forth :)
Tim Mise

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Tim Mise » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:29:23

Geez Larry, you sound like my wife!  No...Just because I didn't say you look
skinny doesn't mean I think you are fat!




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