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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

Gerry Aitke

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:21:16


> I'm not sure, infact, I've been feeling ill recently.. so I couldn't er...
> read... I had my eyes closed... it was foggy, Look officer, I was on
> holiday, it couldn't have been me.

Yeah, yeah, and of course you swear you thought the girl was over 16 ;)

Gerry

Tim Wheatle

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Tim Wheatle » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:58:05

Have you seen how they dress these days?

I swear when I'm 80 and can't pull a bird anymore I'm gonna move house
opposite a girls school ;-)



> > I'm not sure, infact, I've been feeling ill recently.. so I couldn't
er...
> > read... I had my eyes closed... it was foggy, Look officer, I was on
> > holiday, it couldn't have been me.

> Yeah, yeah, and of course you swear you thought the girl was over 16 ;)

> Gerry

Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:23:31



>Chris,

>Please be nice and take your spam elsewhere... this is a auto simulation
>group.
>Thanks!

In Chris's defense, he only originally responded to assist someone who was
having a problem.  He may be a bit 'over-zealous', but he tried to help.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:23:30


>Just a tip. Try not to use the PCI slot next to the AGP slot as that slot
>always shares the IRQ with the AGP slot. That is why your modem had a
>problem. Some divices can share and others can't, even though MS and the mb
>manufactureres tell us all PnP hardware can.
>In practice it is always better to let your video card have it's own IRQ.

Yeah, I know that NOW, but I didn't 2 years ago when I ran into the problem.  I
didn't have another slot available anyway, so I had to make it work.  Swapping
a couple of board fixed the problem.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:23:30



>Eldred:  As long as you're shifting the same items around, you really should
>have no problem.  Adding new things, perceived by Windows XP as "changes,"
>to the mix results in a different "hash" being created.  Once the threshold
>as described at http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm is exceeded, this would force
>a free telephone call.

Ok, thanks for the link.  A bit troubling, though - I wonder what the 'hold
times' are when you call.  I can see having to wait for 45 minutes just to talk
to a person... :(

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Jens H. Kruus

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Jens H. Kruus » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:35:54





> > > /Jens, having a Jan day.

> Would that be Jan Brady?

Who?

Nah, somebody of talent and style. And good at the Ring. ;-)

Jens H. Kruus

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Jens H. Kruus » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:44:25



I believe I have done much more to help people her in r.a.s than you have.
Unwarranted attack? You are lying through your teeth using outrageous spin to
sell the product. So the attack is warranted.

Funny, you never said that you bought it. Thus you received it from MS. And as
you are a self-appointed expert et al, they presumably gave it to you without
activation required. I noticed you didn't mention activating your XP. You're
spinning so fast, you could be a DVD player.

I think it is time I invoked Eldred's rule.

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:31:11

As I said, I really probably know less about CD-ROMs/CD-R/CD-RW than anyone,
but dug out some information for you.  A good starting point is
http://www.aumha.org/a/xpcd.htm which discusses file systems and a pretty
good unveiling of the Windows XP built-in CD burner system (in item 2).
There are also a couple other interesting links on that page.

Without knowing the specific CD-ROMs involved on your XP or Win98 systems or
the specific media you're using, some of this is just a shot in the dark.

(1)  Some CD-ROMs are partial to one brand or other CDs, and it depends on
whether a CD-R or CD-RW is used in some cases.
(2)  Shell recording creates Mode 2 multisession discs in a standard
ISO-9660/Joliet format. Some older players can't handle mode 2 -- and some
can't handle multisession discs. The combination needs an up to date
reader - though up to date in this context really means something that's no
older than a few years.
(3)  The recorded discs do read okay on Windows XP, correct?  Shell
recording is also just terminally broken with some recorders, and an
unreadable disc is one of the symptoms.
(4)  Media quality can play a part in something like this as well. There's a
lot of cheap stuff floating around (some of it under well known brand
names), so one of the standard suggestions is to try different media --
preferably good quality, not the 100 blanks for $9.99 things that sometimes
show up at the box stores.
(5)  The approach of testing a different program also may work, like Nero
has a free, 30-day trial version available to see if the writing software is
the program.  Be sure to clear the enable tab for shell recording in the
recorder's properties, though.
(6)  You can try going into the recording page and set the speed down to a
manual level - one within the CD-RW speed of the drive.  If you're using
CD-RW media, the built-in software sees it as CD-R and will record at CD-R
speed (usually twice as fast) if left to make the decision.
(7)  If you're using multi-session Mode 2 CDRs that haven't been closed,
then that may be why the Win98 system cannot read the disks although there
are very few CD-ROMs now which can't handle multi-session such as certain
early NECs up to about 1995.
(8)  Burning compatible CDs and using them from one system to the next is
described as being an "art," getting the disk where the laser will fully
burn out a pit, without thinning down the background too much, coupled with
the setting in the reader for the reflected intensity switches between being
recognized as 0 or 1.  Computer CD-ROMs need to be officially multi-read to
be able to read CD-RW media, no matter the other file format considerations,
along with problems with some readers and "80-minute" disks.
(9)  Without knowing the equipment you're using, there also seems to be a
common laser frequency issue below 4-speed and even up to 8-speed on some
drives.
(10)  Some CD-R media (the "specials") have very thin top paint layer which
are intended to be labeled, that don't reflect adequately.

And thanks to your asking the question, I know have an "inkling" of a little
bit of information about CD-R/RW functions.
--
Chris H.


Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:15:40

Would you like to see the receipt, Jens?  It was $194.99 at the local
Staples, plus 5% tax here, for $204.74 total.  Activated after I installed
it and fed the ICS wizard information on my DSL connection.

BTW, I'm not pushing sales of any product.  In fact, I've only said to NOT
purchase anything if someone is happy with their system.  I've never said to
go buy anything - that's all your own idea.  Do we run out and buy all the
new cars the automobile manufacturers advertise every year?  Not when we're
happy with what we've got, which in my case happens to be two '95 vehicles,
one which we bought used.

I've got two machines here which will never see XP installed, because
they're running other operating systems just fine and upgrading isn't
necessary for their purpose.  Just like other people, money counts.

Now if GPL 2 came out at the local store, I would have to convince my Wife
that I just couldn't live without it.  8-)

- Chris H.





> > Jens:  I do care, otherwise I wouldn't be putting up with stuff you're
> > stating.  I haven't seen you jump in here with helpful suggestions, yet
I
> > voluntarily try to assist people and all that is coming from you is an
> > unwarranted attack.

> I believe I have done much more to help people her in r.a.s than you have.
> Unwarranted attack? You are lying through your teeth using outrageous spin
to
> sell the product. So the attack is warranted.

> > Since you don't know me, your accusations and telling the world what
version
> > I own or anything else about what I think or do is not only inaccurate,
but
> > untruthful.  I own Windows XP Pro, retail final version, available off
the
> > shelf at your local computer store.  I also have a copy which I received
for
> > beta testing the product for nearly a year.  I installed clean on this
> > desktop using XP to format to NTFS, and added my normal programs
afterward.
> > --

> Funny, you never said that you bought it. Thus you received it from MS.
And as
> you are a self-appointed expert et al, they presumably gave it to you
without
> activation required. I noticed you didn't mention activating your XP.
You're
> spinning so fast, you could be a DVD player.

> I think it is time I invoked Eldred's rule.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:23:14

The only non-activation copies of XP in existance, that I know of, are the
true Corporate License copies.

Damn, even the Dealer Action-Pack copies have Activation enabled!

-Larry





> > Jens:  I do care, otherwise I wouldn't be putting up with stuff you're
> > stating.  I haven't seen you jump in here with helpful suggestions, yet
I
> > voluntarily try to assist people and all that is coming from you is an
> > unwarranted attack.

> I believe I have done much more to help people her in r.a.s than you have.
> Unwarranted attack? You are lying through your teeth using outrageous spin
to
> sell the product. So the attack is warranted.

> > Since you don't know me, your accusations and telling the world what
version
> > I own or anything else about what I think or do is not only inaccurate,
but
> > untruthful.  I own Windows XP Pro, retail final version, available off
the
> > shelf at your local computer store.  I also have a copy which I received
for
> > beta testing the product for nearly a year.  I installed clean on this
> > desktop using XP to format to NTFS, and added my normal programs
afterward.
> > --

> Funny, you never said that you bought it. Thus you received it from MS.
And as
> you are a self-appointed expert et al, they presumably gave it to you
without
> activation required. I noticed you didn't mention activating your XP.
You're
> spinning so fast, you could be a DVD player.

> I think it is time I invoked Eldred's rule.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:21:20

Eldred,

You are correct.  That's why I've been carful to try and not direct any of
the blame for this mess in his direction.  I do level-3 support, and I know
what it's like :)

-Larry




> >Chris,

> >Please be nice and take your spam elsewhere... this is a auto simulation
> >group.
> >Thanks!

> In Chris's defense, he only originally responded to assist someone who was
> having a problem.  He may be a bit 'over-zealous', but he tried to help.

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:18:49

It's frightening that Microsoft doesn't even know what they, themselves, are
doing with the data they collect!

Man, I can't wait to see the bloopers that crop up with .NET.  It will be
epic, truly epic.

-Larry


> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,18423,00.html Is this the real
> reason MS want all our info. I'm think it is and the passport system just
> proves it to me. Maybe they are collecting info for a rent system in the
> future.

> --

> Steve Levett



> > Chris,

> > I'm afraid that doesn't jive with what happened to me.

> > I didn't even remove the card.  I didn't evem MOVE the card.  I simply
> > removed it's entry from the device manager so that Windows would
reinstall
> > the driver at the next restart.

> > That suggests that alterations in SOFTWARE can also trigger WPA, and
that
> > sucks.

> > Though I appreciate your input, there is NO excuse for Microsoft's
digital
> > leash known as WPA.

> > What if I had been working on a time-sensitive deliverable?  Would
> Microsoft
> > have refunded me the money lost due to this defect in their product?  Of
> > course, the answer is no...

> > -Larry



> > > Eldred:  As long as you're shifting the same items around, you really
> > should
> > > have no problem.  Adding new things, perceived by Windows XP as
> "changes,"
> > > to the mix results in a different "hash" being created.  Once the
> > threshold
> > > as described at http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm is exceeded, this would
> > force
> > > a free telephone call.

> > > There's a pretty good 10-item list on that site which describes what
is
> > > tracked and the method used.  There are also a few suggestions for
those
> > who
> > > do change hardware quite often.  People have even changed out the
> > > motherboard, for instance, without triggering a new activation.

> > > Jens:  I do care, otherwise I wouldn't be putting up with stuff you're
> > > stating.  I haven't seen you jump in here with helpful suggestions,
yet
> I
> > > voluntarily try to assist people and all that is coming from you is an
> > > unwarranted attack.

> > > Since you don't know me, your accusations and telling the world what
> > version
> > > I own or anything else about what I think or do is not only
inaccurate,
> > but
> > > untruthful.  I own Windows XP Pro, retail final version, available off
> the
> > > shelf at your local computer store.  I also have a copy which I
received
> > for
> > > beta testing the product for nearly a year.  I installed clean on this
> > > desktop using XP to format to NTFS, and added my normal programs
> > afterward.
> > > --
> > > Chris H.
> > > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:16:01

Richard,

You _really_ think there's a choice in this matter, don't you ?

There are _some_ choices, but not full choices.

I have a reason for running XP.  I still have that reason, and I will
continue to run XP.

That, however, (the last time I checked), doesn't take away my right to
point out technical glitches and other complaints.

-Larry






> > > If you don't like it, then don't run the software.  It's perfectly
> > > simple.

> > What, people aren't allowed to voice their opinion's about bad
technology
> > any more, Richard?

> Of course they are, but it is silly to moan about Microsoft's products but
> keep buying them!!!

> That's almost as daft as people who complain about EA, then buy all their
F1
> titles... ;-)

> --
> Richard.

> "It's been a hard day's night, and I been working like a dog."

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:14:37

Well, I don't know about Bye-Bye Microsoft.  That's a bit too tough
especially since I make a decent living supporting PC's and MS products, but
that doesn't mean some stuff can't be 'offloaded' from Windows.

I have one of the new LCD iMac's on order.  The one with the DVD burner and
other goodies.  I intend on offloading as much personal stuff as I can to
this machine and the really superb MacOS X.

I have 4 PC's (including two servers) running at home that will continue to
do so for work purposes and sim racing.

All of my 'Digital Media' stuff and home computing will move to the iMac.

This is actually kind of funny, but guess what was the first software
package I bought?  Yep.  Microsoft Office v.X.  LOL!  Ya can't truly win,
can you :)

-Larry




> > This is what I wonder about. I have done reinstalls of 98 and 2000 on
two
> > computers, one of them a dual boot system. Now what happens to the
product
> > activation if I buy xp, and 3 years from now MS decides they no longer
> offer
> > support for it. Will they release something to bypass activation on it
so
> > users familiar with it can reinstall it, or will you have to buy the
> newest
> > version of windows because you cant get the older copy "activated"?

> Chris said to me in another post that if this comes to be then they will
> offer a download that will disable the activation process. He also said he
> has heard rumours that MS plan to make their OS rentware but isnt' privvy
to
> that info himself, and so have I. Bye-bye Microsoft.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:06:08

That's not how I read it, but I'm ok with the situation as explained :)

Now, go dip yer fingers in some Gasoline.

LOL!  Just kidding :)

-Larry


> Uhhhh Larry wake up man.  I didn't call you a spammer I simply quoted from
> the previous post in which the post-er did actually call Chris a spammer
> (yeah incorrect but not my point).  I have no problems whatsoever in off
> topic threads when OT is used in the subject line.  I do have fire shootin
> outta my fingers right now but I'll refrain from flamin ya cause I believe
> it's simply a reading comprehension issue <G>.  Follow a little closer
next
> time k.  Oh yeah, unfortunately I do know what the SPAM is.  *** tastin
> stuff eh?

> Mitch


> line losing the Super

> > Mitch,

> > So I am a 'Spammer', because I posted an OT that someone else might find
> > useful?

> > You have NO idea what the term SPAM means, that's obvious.

> > -Larry



> > > Ed,

> > > If you read the entire thread you will see that Chris is not the
spammer
> > > here.  The other larry began the thread as an OT and Chris did nothing
> > more
> > > than reply to the question and all of the replies.  Just because he is
> > > standing up to the anti-MS crowd you decide he is the spammer and you
> > reply
> > > to him in a faux-polite tone asking him to leave.  Perhaps you should
> > > re-read the thread and ask the *spammer* to leave instead of the
person
> > who
> > > replies to the original post.  Just an observation not a war :)

> > > Mitch



> > > > Chris,

> > > > Please be nice and take your spam elsewhere... this is a auto
> simulation
> > > > group.
> > > > Thanks!



> > > > > Jan is my Wife's name.  8-)
> > > > > --
> > > > > Chris H.
> > > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


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