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by **Chris H** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:06:48

Isn't that the preference of the OEM? Don't the OEMs want to lock the
consumer into using just their product and their support? A user can order
a machine without an OS and purchase an "OEM" version (with qualifying
hardware) at a lot of places. Or, like a lot of us have done, build your
own if you have the knowledge to do so.
--
Chris H.

> What about all those people who buy OEM machines, and get screwed out of
> their real OS CD's, and only get restoration CD's.

> Another fine Microsoft idea :(

> -Larry

> > I believe that's where we need to boot with the CD and enter using Safe
> Mode
> > without Internet enabled. I haven't had to do that, but I believe it'll
> let
> > you copy personal data files off to another partition or hard drive.

> > - Chris H.

> > > I think the problem there is that it kicks in too soon, before
services
> > even
> > > launch. That's why I was unable to re-activate by internet because
the
> > NIC
> > > card drivers never had a chance to re-install themselves.

> > > At a minimum, MS should at least get you to the Desktop, and permit
you
> to
> > > COPY files to another medium. At least that way your data isn't held
> > > hostage. That really pissed me off more than anything else.

> > > Oh, well :)

> > > -Larry

by **Milhous** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:12:13

Exactly. And more and more computers are coming with the "right" equipment
standard these days. Any encoded audio is inherently pointless - for people
to use it, they need the decoder.

Milhouse

> >You know, this whole activation thing reminds me of the copy protected
music
> >CDs that came out recently. There was such an uproar about not being able
to
> >play these CDs on different CD players and not being able to mp3 them.

> Which was a dumb argument by the manufacturers. I can run a line from my
> stereo to my computer sound card. Once that's connected, I can make an
mp3 of
> ANYTHING I run through the stereo. TV programs, cassette tapes, albums,
etc.
> You simply CAN'T prevent people from making any audio signal an mp3 file,
if
> they have the right equipment...

> Eldred
> --
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by **Milhous** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:15:16

Well, then it got updated. No versions I've ever seen so far can write to
an NTFS partition at all, and I thought one of those was 7.0...

Can't say for sure, since the only person with both XP and Ghost that I
know, stuck with FAT32 because of the issues with Ghost.

Milhouse

> Ghost 7.0 works fine with XP on NTFS, and so does DriveImage 5.0.
> --
> Chris H.

> > > > If MS didn't feel like overcharging for anything and everything they
> > > sell -
> > > > you could spend more on the software you're putting on your computer
> > than
> > > > the computer itself with Microsoft products alone - I highly doubt
> > piracy
> > > > would be any problem.

> > > I don't consider MS pricing overpriced at all. Considering that Norton
> > Ghost
> > > 2002 costs $119.00 CAD and XP Home cost me $139.00 CAD I would say
that
> XP
> > > gives far more bng for the buck.

> > Ghost costs that much for absolute CRAP!?!? Wow. It can't even deal
with
> > NTFS partitions! I think I got it packaged with a motherboard once.

> > Milhouse

> > > > And I'll take my friends over some 100% anti-MS *** whining in a
> > > newsgroup
> > > > any day.

> > > At least I don't steal from Microsoft! You think your friends are some
> > > modern day Robin Hood's or what?

by **Richard Walke** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:39:04

Not really. I'm just as cynical as yourself when I want to be! :-)

That's OK.

Again, that's OK (of course) but it just seems odd moaning about these
things when you are quite happy to buy the product. There is not reason at
all for Microsoft to stop using WPA now. Yes, some people moan, but the
*vast* majority are still buying. Microsoft have won.

Me? I'll be sticking with RISC OS[*] for a while longer, and possibly
moving to Linux or Mac OS X when/if RISC OS dies completely. I won't be
running Microsoft Office on a Mac OS X setup, either. Microsoft? I don't
need 'em! :-)

[*] see http://www.riscos.org or similar

--
Richard.

"All you need is love, love. Love is all you need."

by **Richard Walke** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:15:54

Apparently, you can send the OS back, and get some cash back. I suspect a
lot of 'big names' will make this as difficult as possible, though. :-(

--
Richard.

"Hey you've got to hide your love away."

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:17:22

> had a very high percentage returned so Philips listen to the consumer and
> wuthdrew these CDs. I wonder if MS will do the same with this activation?

As opposed to Microsoft, Philips is not a monopoly. MS is.
Customer actions (or non-actions) only work to a certain
extent, and they're next to useless in the face of a monopoly.

uwe

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by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:23:06

> Hmm interesting, but what happends when GPL 2 comes out and it needs XP?

Let's hope Ruud's "racer" will have reached 1.0 by then ;-)

Uwe

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by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:28:20

> > So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang
> > OS, is that an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

> Won't it display this EULA thing and ask if you accept?

> I seem to remember a bunch of linux fans bying laptops (Which is
> pretty har to get without an os, with a desktop system you can always
> build it yourself.) refusing the license and trying to get their money
> back for the software which they could prove they didn't use. Don't
> think it worked, though.

Yes it did work. They got their money back. Forgot where I read about
it at the time, it was either Slashdot or 2600.com.

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:30:46

> So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang OS, is that
> an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

Sure. M$ got their money for another copy of XP didn't they? Cmon
Eldred, I know you possess the abilities to build one on your own. Make
it YOUR way! <g>

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **jon** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:01:37

Why the hell are they so worried? In 1985 I could copy a cassette tape, and
in fact did, as did several of the people I knew. I don't believe that I put
anybody out of business.

> >You know, this whole activation thing reminds me of the copy protected
music
> >CDs that came out recently. There was such an uproar about not being able
to
> >play these CDs on different CD players and not being able to mp3 them.

> Which was a dumb argument by the manufacturers. I can run a line from my
> stereo to my computer sound card. Once that's connected, I can make an
mp3 of
> ANYTHING I run through the stereo. TV programs, cassette tapes, albums,
etc.
> You simply CAN'T prevent people from making any audio signal an mp3 file,
if
> they have the right equipment...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Aguirr** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:27:07

Jan Brady from the Brady Bunch TV show of the early '70's. She would have
days where nothing went right.

by **Aguirr** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:36:25

OK, thx for the info. I'm reading that web page now. But I don't think my
problem is any of the below stuff you posted. I have a Ricoh MP7120A which
is one of the better cdrw drives and it can burn/read any format, including
RAW mode. This is WinXP specific and the file format it is using. They are
perfectly readable under XP, but not Win98. My guess is that Win98 needs a
certain file(s) so it can read the cd's burned in XP. Which is more bollocks
from XP because I've burned cd's in Win98 and they are readable on any other
computer.I can burn with CloneCD (raw mode) in XP and they are readable on
any computer. The problem only happens when using XP's built in software.

by **Aguirr** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:39:01

You serious? XP uses packet writing even on a CDR? I don't think it is
packet writing because when doing this drag and drop method it writes a lead
in/lead out just like when you burn cdr with other software. Packet writing
doesn't do that.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:43:14

"Aguirre"
. The problem only happens when using XP's built in software.
I would suspect they included a pared-down cd burner to get after the fact
sales. Probably part of an agreement with whomever coded the XP cd burner.
dave henrie

by **Aguirr** » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:45:05

If your Dad is a computer neophyte he is much better off with XP IMO.

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