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> > > When did Microsoft become an authority in how many changes I can make on
> > > MY system?? WTF is that lame crap!

> > When you agreed to the 'end user license agreement'.  If you don't like
> it,
> > then don't run the software.  It's perfectly simple.

> That's the reason why I haven't bought it. It's nice to confirm that my
> suspensions where correct.

> Isn't that the preference of the OEM?  Don't the OEMs want to lock the
> consumer into using just their product and their support?  A user can order
> a machine without an OS and purchase an "OEM" version (with qualifying
> hardware) at a lot of places.  Or, like a lot of us have done, build your
> own if you have the knowledge to do so.

> > As I said, I really probably know less about CD-ROMs/CD-R/CD-RW than
> anyone,
> > but dug out some information for you.  A good starting point is
> > http://www.aumha.org/a/xpcd.htm which discusses file systems and a
pretty
> > good unveiling of the Windows XP built-in CD burner system (in item 2).
> > There are also a couple other interesting links on that page.

> OK, thx for the info. I'm reading that web page now. But I don't think my
> problem is any of the below stuff you posted. I have a Ricoh MP7120A which
> is one of the better cdrw drives and it can burn/read any format,
including
> RAW mode. This is WinXP specific and the file format it is using. They are
> perfectly readable under XP, but not Win98. My guess is that Win98 needs a
> certain file(s) so it can read the cd's burned in XP. Which is more
bollocks
> from XP because I've burned cd's in Win98 and they are readable on any
other
> computer.I can burn with CloneCD (raw mode) in XP and they are readable on
> any computer. The problem only happens when using XP's  built in software.

> > Well, then you spoke with your dollars and decided that WPA obviously
> wasn't
> > that bad at the time.

> Not really, initially I swore I wouldn't buy XP, then one day I was bored
> and wanted something to tinker with so I bought a copy of XP. Doesn't mean
I
> can't make my opinion known though and doesn't mean I am going to stay
with
> it either.

> > > When did Microsoft become an authority in how many changes I can make
on
> > > MY system?? WTF is that lame crap!

> > When you agreed to the 'end user license agreement'.  If you don't like
> it,
> > then don't run the software.  It's perfectly simple.

> > --
> > Richard.

> > "And he never shows his feelings, But the fool on the hill."

> > Just do what has been suggested:  Don't buy Windows XP.  Don't install
> > Windows XP.  I haven't seen anyone among my friends twist anyone's arms
> and
> > force them into buying XP.

> Yea, yea, I should have stopped supporting the software monkeys at MS and
> just stuck with Dos right? What ever happened to giving the customer what
> they want? The fact is if I want to continue being a gamer and buying
future
> games I will be railroaded into having to use XP and XP compatible
hardware
> so don't tell me I have a choice, because I don't. Look, I like lots of
> things about XP but this activation ***really sucks so telling me not to
> use it if I don't like it is just an arrogant stance coming from a bunch
of
> Micorsoft brown noser's. And don't even get me started on the spyware,
> Passport and forced loading of messenger on XP.

> Another example of software that does Packet Writing that most don't know
> about.  DriveImage creates CD's in packet written format.

> -Larry

> > > Actually, my guess is that they are being packet-written, and his
Win98
> > > doesn't have the UDF driver installed.

> > > Packet-Written CD's (except in certain circumstances where some
software
> > > burners can 'close' them for use on other machines) are not a normal
> > format
> > > and need help.

> > > -Larry

> > You serious? XP uses packet writing even on a CDR? I don't think it is
> > packet writing because when doing this drag and drop method it writes a
> lead
> > in/lead out just like when you burn cdr with other software. Packet
> writing
> > doesn't do that.

> Since, I believe January of 2000, Microsoft has pressured OEM's to NOT
> provide full Windows CD's with their computers.

> From what I understand, the OEM's absolutely HATE the idea, but you know
how
> that goes.  Can't risk pissing off the Mothership.  Might start getting
> late/short deliveries and what...

> It's definetely a MS thing, not an OEM thing.

> -Larry

> > Isn't that the preference of the OEM?  Don't the OEMs want to lock the
> > consumer into using just their product and their support?  A user can
> order
> > a machine without an OS and purchase an "OEM" version (with qualifying
> > hardware) at a lot of places.  Or, like a lot of us have done, build
your
> > own if you have the knowledge to do so.
> > --
> > Chris H.

> > > What about all those people who buy OEM machines, and get screwed out
of
> > > their real OS CD's, and only get restoration CD's.

> > > Another fine Microsoft idea :(

> > > -Larry

> > > > I believe that's where we need to boot with the CD and enter using
> Safe
> > > Mode
> > > > without Internet enabled.  I haven't had to do that, but I believe
> it'll
> > > let
> > > > you copy personal data files off to another partition or hard drive.

> > > > - Chris H.

> > > > > I think the problem there is that it kicks in too soon, before
> > services
> > > > even
> > > > > launch.  That's why I was unable to re-activate by internet
because
> > the
> > > > NIC
> > > > > card drivers never had a chance to re-install themselves.

> > > > > At a minimum, MS should at least get you to the Desktop, and
permit
> > you
> > > to
> > > > > COPY files to another medium.  At least that way your data isn't
> held
> > > > > hostage.  That really pissed me off more than anything else.

> > > > > Oh, well :)

> > > > > -Larry

> Man, I can't wait to see the bloopers that crop up with .NET.  It will be
> epic, truly epic.

> -Larry

> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,18423,00.html Is this the
real
> > reason MS want all our info. I'm think it is and the passport system
just
> > proves it to me. Maybe they are collecting info for a rent system in the
> > future.

> > --

> > Steve Levett

> > > Chris,

> > > I'm afraid that doesn't jive with what happened to me.

> > > I didn't even remove the card.  I didn't evem MOVE the card.  I simply
> > > removed it's entry from the device manager so that Windows would
> reinstall
> > > the driver at the next restart.

> > > That suggests that alterations in SOFTWARE can also trigger WPA, and
> that
> > > sucks.

> > > Though I appreciate your input, there is NO excuse for Microsoft's
> digital
> > > leash known as WPA.

> > > What if I had been working on a time-sensitive deliverable?  Would
> > Microsoft
> > > have refunded me the money lost due to this defect in their product?
Of
> > > course, the answer is no...

> > > -Larry

> > > > Eldred:  As long as you're shifting the same items around, you
really
> > > should
> > > > have no problem.  Adding new things, perceived by Windows XP as
> > "changes,"
> > > > to the mix results in a different "hash" being created.  Once the
> > > threshold
> > > > as described at http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm is exceeded, this
would
> > > force
> > > > a free telephone call.

> > > > There's a pretty good 10-item list on that site which describes what
> is
> > > > tracked and the method used.  There are also a few suggestions for
> those
> > > who
> > > > do change hardware quite often.  People have even changed out the
> > > > motherboard, for instance, without triggering a new activation.

> > > > Jens:  I do care, otherwise I wouldn't be putting up with stuff
you're
> > > > stating.  I haven't seen you jump in here with helpful suggestions,
> yet
> > I
> > > > voluntarily try to assist people and all that is coming from you is
an
> > > > unwarranted attack.

> > > > Since you don't know me, your accusations and telling the world what
> > > version
> > > > I own or anything else about what I think or do is not only
> inaccurate,
> > > but
> > > > untruthful.  I own Windows XP Pro, retail final version, available
off
> > the
> > > > shelf at your local computer store.  I also have a copy which I
> received
> > > for
> > > > beta testing the product for nearly a year.  I installed clean on
this
> > > > desktop using XP to format to NTFS, and added my normal programs
> > > afterward.
> > > > --
> > > > Chris H.
> > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

> BTW, I'm not pushing sales of any product.  In fact, I've only said to NOT
> purchase anything if someone is happy with their system.  I've never said
to
> go buy anything - that's all your own idea.  Do we run out and buy all the
> new cars the automobile manufacturers advertise every year?  Not when
we're
> happy with what we've got, which in my case happens to be two '95
vehicles,
> one which we bought used.

> I've got two machines here which will never see XP installed, because
> they're running other operating systems just fine and upgrading isn't
> necessary for their purpose.  Just like other people, money counts.

> Now if GPL 2 came out at the local store, I would have to convince my Wife
> that I just couldn't live without it.  8-)

> - Chris H.

> > > Jens:  I do care, otherwise I wouldn't be putting up with stuff you're
> > > stating.  I haven't seen you jump in here with helpful suggestions,
yet
> I
> > > voluntarily try to assist people and all that is coming from you is an
> > > unwarranted attack.

> > I believe I have done much more to help people her in r.a.s than you
have.
> > Unwarranted attack? You are lying through your teeth using outrageous
spin
> to
> > sell the product. So the attack is warranted.

> > > Since you don't know me, your accusations and telling the world what
> version
> > > I own or anything else about what I think or do is not only
inaccurate,
> but
> > > untruthful.  I own Windows XP Pro, retail final version, available off
> the
> > > shelf at your local computer store.  I also have a copy which I
received
> for
> > > beta testing the product for nearly a year.  I installed clean on this
> > > desktop using XP to format to NTFS, and added my normal programs
> afterward.
> > > --

> > Funny, you never said that you bought it. Thus you received it from MS.
> And as
> > you are a self-appointed expert et al, they presumably gave it to you
> without
> > activation required. I noticed you didn't mention activating your XP.
> You're
> > spinning so fast, you could be a DVD player.

> > I think it is time I invoked Eldred's rule.

> >> So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang OS,
is
> >that
> >> an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

> >Sure.  M$ got their money for another copy of XP didn't they?  Cmon
> >Eldred, I know you possess the abilities to build one on your own.  Make
> >it YOUR way! <g>

> I *did* build my own, and I've very happy with it.  I was talking about a
> system for my dad...<g>  He wants all the bells and whistles of a couple
of
> packages he saw on TV...<sigh>  I can't match those prices with a homemade
> system.

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> I have one of the new LCD iMac's on order.  The one with the DVD burner
and
> other goodies.  I intend on offloading as much personal stuff as I can to
> this machine and the really superb MacOS X.

> I have 4 PC's (including two servers) running at home that will continue
to
> do so for work purposes and sim racing.

> All of my 'Digital Media' stuff and home computing will move to the iMac.

> This is actually kind of funny, but guess what was the first software
> package I bought?  Yep.  Microsoft Office v.X.  LOL!  Ya can't truly win,
> can you :)

> -Larry

> > > This is what I wonder about. I have done reinstalls of 98 and 2000 on
> two
> > > computers, one of them a dual boot system. Now what happens to the
> product
> > > activation if I buy xp, and 3 years from now MS decides they no longer
> > offer
> > > support for it. Will they release something to bypass activation on it
> so
> > > users familiar with it can reinstall it, or will you have to buy the
> > newest
> > > version of windows because you cant get the older copy "activated"?

> > Chris said to me in another post that if this comes to be then they will
> > offer a download that will disable the activation process. He also said
he
> > has heard rumours that MS plan to make their OS rentware but isnt'
privvy
> to
> > that info himself, and so have I. Bye-bye Microsoft.