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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:54:39


 Drive Image isn't cheap either. Cheaper than Norton Ghost though.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:57:27


Yea, that's what I should have done but didn't know Ghost couldn't read NTFS
at the time. Soon found out when I tried run Ghost on XP though.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:59:33


Not really, initially I swore I wouldn't buy XP, then one day I was bored
and wanted something to tinker with so I bought a copy of XP. Doesn't mean I
can't make my opinion known though and doesn't mean I am going to stay with
it either.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:53:07


Yea, I got a free version with my mb too. That version doesn't read NTFS,
but the latest version (2002) does and at FutureShop here in Canada they are
asking $119.00 CAD. Ridiculous huh? All it does is one small thing, back up
a  partion or HD. I just use the restore feature in XP instead.

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:10:58

The burning software in XP is by Roxio.  8-(  Guess what they want you to
do?
--
Chris H.




> > As I said, I really probably know less about CD-ROMs/CD-R/CD-RW than
> anyone,
> > but dug out some information for you.  A good starting point is
> > http://www.aumha.org/a/xpcd.htm which discusses file systems and a
pretty
> > good unveiling of the Windows XP built-in CD burner system (in item 2).
> > There are also a couple other interesting links on that page.

> OK, thx for the info. I'm reading that web page now. But I don't think my
> problem is any of the below stuff you posted. I have a Ricoh MP7120A which
> is one of the better cdrw drives and it can burn/read any format,
including
> RAW mode. This is WinXP specific and the file format it is using. They are
> perfectly readable under XP, but not Win98. My guess is that Win98 needs a
> certain file(s) so it can read the cd's burned in XP. Which is more
bollocks
> from XP because I've burned cd's in Win98 and they are readable on any
other
> computer.I can burn with CloneCD (raw mode) in XP and they are readable on
> any computer. The problem only happens when using XP's  built in software.

Goy Larse

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Goy Larse » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:36:37



> >It seems to have been dropped now though, *** gave it another think,
> >but then again, the only 2 CD's released so far that I know of was
> >Natalie Imbruglia (who ?) and Westlife (yippe, since I don't own a
> >regular stereo, I'll never play their CD by accident should anyone leave
> >one around here for some strange and obscure reason, thx ***,
> >actually I'd like to see more CD's with this copy protection when I
> >think about it, ........:-)

> You missed the CDs by Michael Jackson and Incubus.  We occasionally get reports
> from Sony about our students sharing mp3's from those 2 artists.  Yep, the
> copy-protected CDs really kept people from making their mp3's...
> Bravo, Sony!

Actually, for those "in the know", only the first song on the CD is
"impossible" to copy, so much for that, ROFL, oh well, as long as they
don't implement this stupid scheme on my fav blues artists I dont mind,
I *always* make a copy for use in my car stereo as I hate to have my
original CD's scratched

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jlohma

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by jlohma » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:00:38

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think you should not complain about it. It's
good for those that are not informed to know the bad things about it.
However my complaint is the people who buy it, who know about the "features"
and still complain about it, and not do anything about it, and still have it
on their hard drive. Microsoft has those people by the nose, leading them
around. Sure they are going to complain, but they'll keep buying new
software.
The only real message to send to Microsoft is the finacial one. By not
buying it. By not being lead around by the nose. That is the only message
that they will listen to.
The bottom line is, there is no real reason to have XP (I suppose there is
one or two programs that require XP), that being the case, why buy it?

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:31:10

Exactly one of my points.  Windows XP comes from the NT line of operating
systems, and quite honestly does a very good job of combining most of our
Win9x line of programs for use.  But it really isn't for everyone, and not a
grand solution for those limping along with Win98 on their machines.

For one, XP is written to take advantage, and work with the most, recent
hardware.  I would be a fool to think I could slap it into my daughters'
machine (AMD K6 233 w/64 MB EDO RAM) and it would instantly speed up their
system.  It would probably croak because of the ancient hardware, limited
RAM and a processor which is slow by today's standards.

That's why I've said it is one of the machines we have which will never see
XP.  Nor Millennium.  I don't like Millennium, though it'll run on any
machine we've got, but from the very beginning it has had too many "choices"
regarding what is installed removed.  For instance, I have absolutely no use
for MovieMaker, yet there it is, and System Restore isn't as flexible as I'd
like it to be where and when it "protects" files.  I didn't like it from the
beginning, won't buy it and won't install it.  My choice.

If the user's system is doing what they want, runs the programs they want,
there is absolutely no reason to change.
--
- Chris H.


Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:51:36


writes:

I considered that too, but I haven't made up my mind yet...

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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:51:37


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>> Who?

>Jan Brady from the Brady Bunch TV show of the early '70's. She would have
>days where nothing went right.

I always liked her better than Marsha anyway...<g>

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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:51:37


writes:


>> So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang OS, is
>that
>> an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

>Sure.  M$ got their money for another copy of XP didn't they?  Cmon
>Eldred, I know you possess the abilities to build one on your own.  Make
>it YOUR way! <g>

I *did* build my own, and I've very happy with it.  I was talking about a
system for my dad...<g>  He wants all the bells and whistles of a couple of
packages he saw on TV...<sigh>  I can't match those prices with a homemade
system.

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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:51:37


(Asbj?rn Bj?rnstad) writes:

>> So if you buy a new computer which is loaded with the new whiz-bang
>> OS, is that an implicit approval of said OS installed therein?

>Won't it display this EULA thing and ask if you accept?

>I seem to remember a bunch of linux fans bying laptops (Which is
>pretty har to get without an os, with a desktop system you can always
>build it yourself.) refusing the license and trying to get their money
>back for the software which they could prove they didn't use. Don't
>think it worked, though.

I was just responding to someone who said you teach the company a lesson by not
buying the OS.  But, if the OS is preinstalled, my decision to purchase the
machine shouldn't be looked at as an endor***t of the OS.

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Marc Fraio

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Marc Fraio » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:20:22





>>You know, this whole activation thing reminds me of the copy protected music
>>CDs that came out recently. There was such an uproar about not being able to
>>play these CDs on different CD players and not being able to mp3 them.

> Which was a dumb argument by the manufacturers.  I can run a line from my
> stereo to my computer sound card.  Once that's connected, I can make an mp3 of
> ANYTHING I run through the stereo.  TV programs, cassette tapes, albums, etc.
> You simply CAN'T prevent people from making any audio signal an mp3 file, if
> they have the right equipment...

Yes, you can do that, but it's not quite the same.  You've introduced
noise and such by converting the signal to analog and back to digital
again.  If you rip it directly off the CD in the PC's CD drive, this
doesn't happen-- you get a perfect digital copy.  And that's what they're
really trying to prevent.

Nonetheless, I suspect most people would be perfectly satisfied with
the results from your method...

    Marc

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:21:41

Already ahead of ya.  New iMac on the way, if the thing ever ships...

Except it won't replace the PC's or servers I have at home.  That's how I
make my living.  However, all of my digital media work and home stuff is
moving to MacOS X.

-Larry




> > You _really_ think there's a choice in this matter, don't you ?

> > There are _some_ choices, but not full choices.

> Not really.  I'm just as cynical as yourself when I want to be!  :-)

> > I have a reason for running XP.  I still have that reason, and I will
> > continue to run XP.

> That's OK.

> > That, however, (the last time I checked), doesn't take away my right to
> > point out technical glitches and other complaints.

> Again, that's OK (of course) but it just seems odd moaning about these
> things when you are quite happy to buy the product.  There is not reason
at
> all for Microsoft to stop using WPA now.  Yes, some people moan, but the
> *vast* majority are still buying.  Microsoft have won.

> Me?  I'll be sticking with RISC OS[*] for a while longer, and possibly
> moving to Linux or Mac OS X when/if RISC OS dies completely.  I won't be
> running Microsoft Office on a Mac OS X setup, either.  Microsoft?  I don't
> need 'em!  :-)

> [*] see http://www.riscos.org or similar

> --
> Richard.

> "All you need is love, love. Love is all you need."

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:24:16

No, Chris.

Since, I believe January of 2000, Microsoft has pressured OEM's to NOT
provide full Windows CD's with their computers.

From what I understand, the OEM's absolutely HATE the idea, but you know how
that goes.  Can't risk pissing off the Mothership.  Might start getting
late/short deliveries and what...

It's definetely a MS thing, not an OEM thing.

-Larry


> Isn't that the preference of the OEM?  Don't the OEMs want to lock the
> consumer into using just their product and their support?  A user can
order
> a machine without an OS and purchase an "OEM" version (with qualifying
> hardware) at a lot of places.  Or, like a lot of us have done, build your
> own if you have the knowledge to do so.
> --
> Chris H.



> > What about all those people who buy OEM machines, and get screwed out of
> > their real OS CD's, and only get restoration CD's.

> > Another fine Microsoft idea :(

> > -Larry



> > > I believe that's where we need to boot with the CD and enter using
Safe
> > Mode
> > > without Internet enabled.  I haven't had to do that, but I believe
it'll
> > let
> > > you copy personal data files off to another partition or hard drive.

> > > - Chris H.



> > > > I think the problem there is that it kicks in too soon, before
> services
> > > even
> > > > launch.  That's why I was unable to re-activate by internet because
> the
> > > NIC
> > > > card drivers never had a chance to re-install themselves.

> > > > At a minimum, MS should at least get you to the Desktop, and permit
> you
> > to
> > > > COPY files to another medium.  At least that way your data isn't
held
> > > > hostage.  That really pissed me off more than anything else.

> > > > Oh, well :)

> > > > -Larry


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