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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

Marc

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Marc » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:14:14


I have a copy of Corel Linux on cdrom here but have never installed it
because I can't play my games on it too.

Marc

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Marc » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:17:16


I really would like to, but then I won't be able to use my expensive copies
of Adobe Photoshop and Pagemaker, not to mention all the games I own too.
Also there are no Linux drivers for my ATI R8500.

Dave Henri

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Dave Henri » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:47:58

"Marc"
  Pretty close Marc....  But I like to think I'm more the don't replace(i.e.
spend $$)  something that was already working.  :)
--don't replace(i.e. spend $$) something that was already working. :)
--don't replace(i.e.spend $$) something that was.... (<bzzrtscrit>)
dave henrie

Uncle Feste

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Uncle Feste » Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:01:04




> > You really want something to tinker with?

> > Go download Linux. ;)

> I have a copy of Corel Linux on cdrom here but have never installed it
> because I can't play my games on it too.

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Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:34:44

Exactly.  8-)  And in some future edition of the OS it'll probably be
removed because the licensing has expired, and people will be crying that
they're forced to buy a full product.  LOL!
--
Chris H.




> > The burning software in XP is by Roxio.  8-(  Guess what they want you
to
> > do?

> Oh geeze, so it's really Roxio Lite then. :-)

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:40:26

System Restore should not equate to "back up" however.  It only deals with
the condition of the system, allowing the user to retreat to a "better"
position.  The back up software included in both Home and Pro is more suited
to full restoration, even though a third-party program is better at giving
the user a full image of the partition.  BTW - The back up software is
installed by default in Pro, but the user needs to manually install it in
Home by going to the Utilities folder on the CD.
--
Chris H.




> > Yup, bout 60-65 bucks depending where you get it I guess.
> > I never thought I would need imaging software, but after getting this
> clean
> > install of XP and it be so rock solid, I wanted to image my drive to
> another
> > , so should something happen I can revert back to my previous freshly
> > activated copy of XP.

> > Don Burnette

> I should have stuck with FAT32 then I could still be using my *free* copy
of
> Ghost. Oh well, stuck with XP's system restore isn't too bad I guess.

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:59:04

Only in an effort to help, Olly, but how much memory does that machine have
and is it sharing the memory with the video?  To really run nice, a machine
should have 256 MB of RAM.

Here's a really dandy, step-by-step article on how to optimize XP:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/,3396,s%253D1027%2526a%253D19543,...
(URL MAY WRAP!)

Some minor little things like disabling fast user switching (if not
necessary) and cutting down on some of the visual effects will do a great
deal for performance.  Remember, too, the OEM has probably installed a whole
lot of unnecessary "monitoring" software which runs in the background just
in case their techs need to access the machine.
--
Chris H.


> I just bought a new 1 ghz celeron pc for my sisters kids for christmas. It
> came with XP, and as nice as XP looks, it is incredibly slow. Their old
466
> mhz celeron is far faster at all of the basic applications ,or at just
> getting windows XP to recognize your mouse clicks sometimes takes an extra
> half second, making you think that you did not click the mouse correctly,
so
> you start clicking again just about the time it starts to respond to your
> first mouse clicks. Thus a machine that is twice as fast in processor
speed
> feels less like a 1GHZ machine and more like a 300MHZ machine. I would
hate
> to bog my new athlon down with XP, knowing in the back of my mind that no
> matter how well it ran under XP it would be a bit more nimble under
windows
> 98 SE.  While some applications seem to run about the same under either
> version of windows, windows itself seems really ponderous and slow about
> responding to your commands. This on top of the whole activation fiasco
> makes me unlikely to buy XP for the next couple of years at least. As far
as
> videogames are concerned I am leaning more and more towards enjoying the
> great pc games that are currently win 98 compatible , and eventually
> migrating almost entirely to console games when win 98 is no longer
> compatible with the best pc racing sims.
> In the console world Sony's PS2 still kicks ***against even the more
> powerful XBOX by microsoft in terms of sales, and that means that we will
> likely not have a monopoly in the console world for many years to come if
> ever.I own both xbox and ps2, and the biggest difference I tend to see is
> that the xbox games have greatly superior antialiasing, but overall are
not
> much better graphically.
> Also, with HDTV compatibility already present in the xbox, and likely in
the
> PS3, PC like resolutions will be available in the near future of console
> ***. So for me, there will be less and less reason to buy a Windows pc
> for *** purposes, and as far as graphics applications and video
> applications, which is my next most favorite use of a computer, a
Macintosh
> will do just fine I suspect, even though I have never used a MAC.
> But to keep big brother Microsoft from telling me how much or how often I
> can change my computer I will buy a MAC and learn to use it.
> ----- Original Message -----

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> \(The

> > > >Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my
> data
> > > >locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> > > Thus setting up a scenario where MS decide to raise the activation to
> $400 or
> > > something, just out of the blue.  You'd have to pay the money, or lose
> all
> > your
> > > data.
> > > Sounds like extortion to me... :(

> > It isn't. Just ask GWB's "Department of Justice XP"(TM).

> > /Jens

Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:17:44



>Chris, you can have my signature line. Just copy&paste it into your
>newsreader. Remember though, only use it in one newsgroup and check in with
>me every other week. :-)

LOL!

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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:17:45



>Yeah, but I heard the Dad (I forget his name), was a genuine, prime, grade-A
>*** in real life, and no one on the show could stand to be near the guy
>between takes :)

Robert Reed. (useless trivia info...<g>)

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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:17:44






>> writes:

>> >If your Dad is a computer neophyte he is much better off with XP IMO.

>> I considered that too, but I haven't made up my mind yet...

>> Eldred
>> --

>XP all the way man, the stability alone is awesome.

You know what?  I *just* realized I won't be able to do that.  He still
uses(writes) Dos BASIC programs.  Those won't work in XP, right?

Eldred
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Tim Mise

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Tim Mise » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:24:57



\(The

> >Yeah, but I heard the Dad (I forget his name), was a genuine, prime,
grade-A
> >*** in real life, and no one on the show could stand to be near the
guy
> >between takes :)

> Robert Reed. (useless trivia info...<g>)

> Eldred
> --

Died of Aids.  (more useless trivia!)
The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:59:40

That's good news.  You know, Dell just might be the one PC maker that
doesn't have to worry about pissing off Microsoft :)

Or, it might be because that copy is forever locked to your computer and
can't even be MOVED to a different machine (OEM copies are not transferrable
to a different machine).

There's a reason for it.  It sure ain't out of goodness :)

-Larry


> Just for a general FYI, I got a full version of XP home with my Dell
> notebook.
> -Stuart Becktell


> > No, Chris.

> > Since, I believe January of 2000, Microsoft has pressured OEM's to NOT
> > provide full Windows CD's with their computers.

> > From what I understand, the OEM's absolutely HATE the idea, but you know
> how
> > that goes.  Can't risk pissing off the Mothership.  Might start getting
> > late/short deliveries and what...

> > It's definetely a MS thing, not an OEM thing.

> > -Larry



> > > Isn't that the preference of the OEM?  Don't the OEMs want to lock the
> > > consumer into using just their product and their support?  A user can
> > order
> > > a machine without an OS and purchase an "OEM" version (with qualifying
> > > hardware) at a lot of places.  Or, like a lot of us have done, build
> your
> > > own if you have the knowledge to do so.
> > > --
> > > Chris H.



> > > > What about all those people who buy OEM machines, and get screwed
out
> of
> > > > their real OS CD's, and only get restoration CD's.

> > > > Another fine Microsoft idea :(

> > > > -Larry



> > > > > I believe that's where we need to boot with the CD and enter using
> > Safe
> > > > Mode
> > > > > without Internet enabled.  I haven't had to do that, but I believe
> > it'll
> > > > let
> > > > > you copy personal data files off to another partition or hard
drive.

> > > > > - Chris H.



> > > > > > I think the problem there is that it kicks in too soon, before
> > > services
> > > > > even
> > > > > > launch.  That's why I was unable to re-activate by internet
> because
> > > the
> > > > > NIC
> > > > > > card drivers never had a chance to re-install themselves.

> > > > > > At a minimum, MS should at least get you to the Desktop, and
> permit
> > > you
> > > > to
> > > > > > COPY files to another medium.  At least that way your data isn't
> > held
> > > > > > hostage.  That really pissed me off more than anything else.

> > > > > > Oh, well :)

> > > > > > -Larry

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 05:04:18

LOL!

At this rate, the new iMac might actually out-sell Windows XP :)

-Larry


> Not to argue the point, but figures can all be in the point of view.
ZDNet
> reported shortly about disappointing sales after the launch, decrying that
> "only about 300,000" copies sold in the first few days.  Other sources,
> including MSNBC, noted a second-month sales decrease of about 150,000
copies
> in November compared to second-month Win98 or Win98SE sales.  Oh, the poor
> babies.  Only 650-750,000 copies sold from October 25 through December 1.

> So much is based on "knowledgeable industry sources' expectations"
perceive
> should happen.  When it doesn't, whatever the item is turns out to be a
> flop.  It isn't their projection that's wrong.  I wouldn't mind
> three-quarters of a million of something selling.  8-)
> --
> Chris H.



> > "You need to research your false claims *prior* to spewing forth :)

> > > did not sell XP the way they had hoped it would sale (even with the
> > > commericals). In fact it is their worst launch of a operating system
in
> > > recent time.

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 05:07:02

Don,

It depends on where the numbers come from.

If the factory drops a copy on the floor and it falls down in a crack in the
concrete, Microsoft counts it as a moved license :)

Then, there's re-shelving.  While it might be possible to figure out how
many copies a store sells, it's impossible to know how many to subtract
because of the one's that were shelved after an initial trial period.

One thing is for certain.  It's fairly easy to say the actual number of
in-use copies is FAR less than what Microsoft reports as sales.

-Larry




> > > While in theory your method would work, it does not work when dealing
> with
> > a
> > > Monopoly.

> > > Which is the worst part about a Monopoly.  Voting with one's wallet is
> not
> > a
> > > concern to them.

> > And complaining in a newsgroup that Microsoft probably doesn't even know
> > about, much less cares about is going to make a difference?
> > It is the only choice we have. There is no reason to go to XP, why give
> them
> > money and support them? Espically if there is no reason to have it.
> > A couple of years ago Intel had the identification built in the the P3.
It
> > upset many people, many people did not buy a P3 because of that. When
they
> > introduced the P4, they made sure everyone knew it did not have the
> > identification code in it. Although Intel is not a Monopoly, they are
> close
> > to a monopoly. It seemed to make a difference to Intel.
> > Let me ask you this, if everyone stopped buying XP, and stuck with 98,
ME,
> > or 2000, which will still run almost everything you want to run, what
> would
> > happen to Microsofts profits? Espically with the Xbox (which is costing
> > Microsoft an arm and a leg). I think not buying it, can, and will make a
> > difference. It already has made a difference, there profits where down.
> They
> > did not sell XP the way they had hoped it would sale (even with the
> > commericals). In fact it is their worst launch of a operating system in
> > recent time.

> Hmm, that's just opposite of what I have been hearing, I thought XP's
sales
> were way above and beyond what they had anticipated.

> Don Burnette

The Other Larr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by The Other Larr » Fri, 01 Feb 2002 05:08:52

see www.activewin.com.

There is a news item today that covers an XP update, and this is one of the
symptoms it is reported to fix.

The last time I checked, the link was dead.

It's an XP Pre-SP1 patch, and the Q article says a fix is 'in the works'.

-Larry



> It wasn't clear _how_ he wrote the CD's.  I was just discussing Packet
> Writing in general as it seemed to fit the symptoms.

> Another example of software that does Packet Writing that most don't know
> about.  DriveImage creates CD's in packet written format.

> -Larry





> > > Actually, my guess is that they are being packet-written, and his
Win98
> > > doesn't have the UDF driver installed.

> > > Packet-Written CD's (except in certain circumstances where some
software
> > > burners can 'close' them for use on other machines) are not a normal
> > format
> > > and need help.

> > > -Larry

> > You serious? XP uses packet writing even on a CDR? I don't think it is
> > packet writing because when doing this drag and drop method it writes a
> lead
> > in/lead out just like when you burn cdr with other software. Packet
> writing
> > doesn't do that.


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