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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:18



>During setup, Windows XP does a check of software (on an upgrade) and
>hardware for compatibility.  If there is a conflict or problem, it is noted
>with recommendations prior to installation.  The user can deal with them in
>advance of the installation.  Several programs of mine, including
>PartitionMagic 7.0 raise flags on upgrades.  Installing it after an upgrade
>works perfectly.

I'm not talking about during the install of XP.  I'm talking about a situation
such as upgrading your soundcard or video.  Sometimes you get conflicts with
existing hardware that require shifting cards around.  I ran into a situation
where my modem wouldn't work in the slot directly next to my AGP graphics card.
 I had to move my SBLive from the slot where it had been working perfectly and
put it next to the video.  The modem worked fine in the slot vacated by the
SBLive.  All that shifting around might have triggered the re-activation...

Eldred  
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Jens H. Kruus

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Jens H. Kruus » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:12:02





> >During setup, Windows XP does a check of software (on an upgrade) and
> >hardware for compatibility.  If there is a conflict or problem, it is noted
> >with recommendations prior to installation.  The user can deal with them in
> >advance of the installation.  Several programs of mine, including
> >PartitionMagic 7.0 raise flags on upgrades.  Installing it after an upgrade
> >works perfectly.

> I'm not talking about during the install of XP.  I'm talking about a situation
> such as upgrading your soundcard or video.  Sometimes you get conflicts with
> existing hardware that require shifting cards around.  I ran into a situation
> where my modem wouldn't work in the slot directly next to my AGP graphics
card.
>  I had to move my SBLive from the slot where it had been working perfectly and
> put it next to the video.  The modem worked fine in the slot vacated by the
> SBLive.  All that shifting around might have triggered the re-activation...

Eldred, you are missing the point here: Chris doesn't care. Bill said it is
good, thus it is good. You're just a regular user (a technically sophisticated
one with networking skills etc.) but you're not supposed to act like you own the
pc. Just buy a Dell/Compaq/Gateway and leave it at that. Smile, be happy. Chris
is - because he doesn't own a copy that requires activation repeatedly.

Cheers,
Jens

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:19:28

Eldred:  As long as you're shifting the same items around, you really should
have no problem.  Adding new things, perceived by Windows XP as "changes,"
to the mix results in a different "hash" being created.  Once the threshold
as described at http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm is exceeded, this would force
a free telephone call.

There's a pretty good 10-item list on that site which describes what is
tracked and the method used.  There are also a few suggestions for those who
do change hardware quite often.  People have even changed out the
motherboard, for instance, without triggering a new activation.

Jens:  I do care, otherwise I wouldn't be putting up with stuff you're
stating.  I haven't seen you jump in here with helpful suggestions, yet I
voluntarily try to assist people and all that is coming from you is an
unwarranted attack.

Since you don't know me, your accusations and telling the world what version
I own or anything else about what I think or do is not only inaccurate, but
untruthful.  I own Windows XP Pro, retail final version, available off the
shelf at your local computer store.  I also have a copy which I received for
beta testing the product for nearly a year.  I installed clean on this
desktop using XP to format to NTFS, and added my normal programs afterward.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Ed Solhei

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:39:11

Just curious Chris....   but what sim is your favourite.... ?
Or is this a case or "big brother" is watching....    ;-)

--
ed_


> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/
> http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;q305356
> Chris H.
> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Ed Solhei

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:43:52

Chris,

Please be nice and take your spam elsewhere... this is a auto simulation
group.
Thanks!



Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:57:25

GPL, then F1 Championship Season 2000 (not really what I'd call a sim,
though).  I really, really prefer GPL.  And the only Microsoft game I have
on my system is a role playing game I'm beta testing.

- Chris H.


> Just curious Chris....   but what sim is your favourite.... ?
> Or is this a case or "big brother" is watching....    ;-)

> --
> ed_


> > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/
> > http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;q305356
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:08:54


Yea, yea, I should have stopped supporting the software monkeys at MS and
just stuck with Dos right? What ever happened to giving the customer what
they want? The fact is if I want to continue being a gamer and buying future
games I will be railroaded into having to use XP and XP compatible hardware
so don't tell me I have a choice, because I don't. Look, I like lots of
things about XP but this activation ***really sucks so telling me not to
use it if I don't like it is just an arrogant stance coming from a bunch of
Micorsoft brown noser's. And don't even get me started on the spyware,
Passport and forced loading of messenger on XP.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:11:57


Would that be Jan Brady?

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:17:33


Well, I disabled remote assistance too. Actually, I've disabled so much XP
stuff that I may as well go back to Win98. :-)

Yes, I've been reading knowledge base articles and going to XP specific
sites.

P.S. I do have one techie question for you that maybe you can answer for me.
Why when I burn files to cdrom in XP are they not readable on a Win98
system? This is using drag and drop method of burning in XP and not 3rd
party software.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:28:15


Yes, but if one buys new hardware after they have XP up and running nicely
and this new hardware causes a problem with some other device then they may
be required to pull out old hardware and try other hardware until they track
the problem down. The activation scheme can cause a big pain in the arse
because of this. People have already reported that they have been getting
the heavy hand from MS when they have needed to reactivate over the phone
because they couldn't online. This is bullshit Chris, most computer users
here are power users and are continually upgrading hardware.

Just answer me this one question though, does MS have plans to make their OS
rentware in the near future? If yes, then I can stop worrying about all this
and vow never to buy another piece of MS software again. Maybe I'll even buy
a Mac one of these days. Me, and  millions of others that think like I do
can make or break MS, tell your buddy Bill that too.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:31:43


Just a tip. Try not to use the PCI slot next to the AGP slot as that slot
always shares the IRQ with the AGP slot. That is why your modem had a
problem. Some divices can share and others can't, even though MS and the mb
manufactureres tell us all PnP hardware can.
In practice it is always better to let your video card have it's own IRQ.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:34:14



Heh...this reminds me of an old song by Ice-T. Shut up, and be Happy.
He was talking about governement, but it can easily apply to MS too. :-)

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:37:23


Get F12001. It's just as much a sim as GPL, IMO.

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:39:20


I shouldn't have to take that recourse though, should I?

Aguirr

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Aguirr » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:42:06


Yea, thx to *your* buddies Millhouse we have to put up with this crap. Some
nice friends you have there.


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