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OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:07:04

No.  It has nothing to do with Remote Desktop.  You may be confusing Remote
Desktop (which is your access to another of your computers from a different
location) and Remote Assistance, which is asking someone else who knows
Windows XP to come into your system to assist you.

Help and Support is available offline or online from Start/Help and Support.
If you're online, you can also get related Knowledge Base articles which may
be of further assistance with understanding whatever issue has come up.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone




> > BTW - Windows XP has a very excellent Help and Support.  I believe it to
> be
> > the best advancement of any portion of the product, compared to what was
> > done in Win98SE, Millennium or Windows 2K.  Go into H&S and put "List of
> > troubleshooters" in the Search section.

> You have to have remote desktop enabled to use that right? Which I've
> already disabled, along with any auto-update stuff too. I don't need my
hand
> held thanks.

Steve Levet

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Steve Levet » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:23:44

How about when all the website run media that will require WMP8 to play?
That's not available (last time I checked) to download so you either use XP
or dont watch/listen to you favourite media. Also, havent the sales of XP
been disapointing which suggests the customers arenot happy with it?

--

Steve Levett


> Just do what has been suggested:  Don't buy Windows XP.  Don't install
> Windows XP.  I haven't seen anyone among my friends twist anyone's arms
and
> force them into buying XP.  I've got friends who love Millennium, for
> instance, and are happy with it on their systems.  Personally, I don't
care
> for it, so don't run it, and prefer Win98SE on the machines where I'm not
> running XP.  If something else works for you, and does what you want it
to,
> there is absolutely no reason at all to change.  The power of the consumer
> pocketbooks speaks volumes.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone





> > > When did Microsoft become an authority in how many changes I can make
on
> > MY
> > > system?? WTF is that lame crap!

> > Yea, they really pissed off a lot of customers with this BS scheme. They
> > think they own us.

Steve Levet

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Steve Levet » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:25:57

Well, I know someone who downloaded XP before its release date and he was
going to buy it (as he does with all his windows software) but since he
found out about this activation he just carried on using his downloaded
copy, I imagine this activation put off others as well.

--

Steve Levett




> > XP without the WPA is available easily on the net. The only ones who
> > suffer this are the people who buy it, not the people with illegal
copies.

> Mmmnnn... not quite.  There are 'legal' users, casual pirates, and
'expert'
> pirates.  It's the latter group who have got the 'non-WPA' versions of XP,
> but WPA is probably stopping the casual pirates.

> In any case, I can't think of anything that *requires* Windows XP to run.
I
> only use Windows (Me) for games.  It runs Grand Prix 2/3, GPL, NASCAR 4,
> Sports Car GT, TOCA 1/2, and a handful of demos, without any problems.  I
> certainly won't be upgrading (*unless* a stunning new game demands me to).
> All my other computing activities are carried out on different platforms,
> which free me from Microsoft!  :-)

> --
> Richard.

> "Free As A Bird.  It's the next best thing to be, free as a bird."

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:40:10

Isn't that the web site's decision?  Media Player 8 is written for Windows
XP, and not a Win9x series program.  Sort of like going to the www.mlb.com
(major league baseball) where you need to pay $4.95 before hearing baseball
games.  And then you're required to download RealPlayer 8 Basic, even though
it is free.  The National Basketball Assn. does the same thing - $29.95 for
the season, and you need to download RealPlayer.  The National Hockey
League, which does use Media Player, offers a link which automatically
correctly identifies a Win9x system for the currently available MP 7.1
version when a 6.x version is installed.  Accessing the same site with
Windows XP, the site tells the user the "correct version is already
installed."
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


> How about when all the website run media that will require WMP8 to play?
> That's not available (last time I checked) to download so you either use
XP
> or dont watch/listen to you favourite media. Also, havent the sales of XP
> been disapointing which suggests the customers arenot happy with it?

> --

> Steve Levett



> > Just do what has been suggested:  Don't buy Windows XP.  Don't install
> > Windows XP.  I haven't seen anyone among my friends twist anyone's arms
> and
> > force them into buying XP.  I've got friends who love Millennium, for
> > instance, and are happy with it on their systems.  Personally, I don't
> care
> > for it, so don't run it, and prefer Win98SE on the machines where I'm
not
> > running XP.  If something else works for you, and does what you want it
> to,
> > there is absolutely no reason at all to change.  The power of the
consumer
> > pocketbooks speaks volumes.
> > --
> > Chris H.
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone





> > > > When did Microsoft become an authority in how many changes I can
make
> on
> > > MY
> > > > system?? WTF is that lame crap!

> > > Yea, they really pissed off a lot of customers with this BS scheme.
They
> > > think they own us.

Milhous

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Milhous » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:42:47

People have a right to complain, as long as there is no other recourse.

You even posted about another recourse aside from whining against WPA...

Milhouse




> > In any case, I can't think of anything that *requires* Windows XP to
run.

> If you want decent drivers for a Santa Cruz soundcard you do. There will
be
> more to follow also as hardware manufacturers focus on XP drivers and
slack
> off on Win98 driver support. Stop being an apologist, people have a right
to
> complain.

Milhous

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Milhous » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:45:54




> > XP without the WPA is available easily on the net. The only ones who
> > suffer this are the people who buy it, not the people with illegal
copies.

> Mmmnnn... not quite.  There are 'legal' users, casual pirates, and
'expert'
> pirates.  It's the latter group who have got the 'non-WPA' versions of XP,
> but WPA is probably stopping the casual pirates.

Anyone who's avoiding even a pirated version of XP because of WPA doesn't
even deserve the name 'pirate', really.  In fact, I've never seen a
WPA-enabled version of XP floating around, period...it's as easy to get as
most games and other programs, maybe even easier, despite being a 500MB
download.

Another thing.  I know lots of people using XP...but nobody who purchased
it...

Milhouse

Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:50:19



>The NIC does carry extra weight in the calculation, Larry, plus you made
>three other changes, too.  Remember, if you're going to make a lot of
>changes, note the date you've activated because after 120 days the system is
>reset to "zero" amount of the calculated hardware changes.  This is sort of
>saying if you were 100 days into your first activation, changing of the
>controller, hard drive and adding another drive (don't believe that's
>counted, but anyway) would count only until the 121st day.

So how to you troubleshoot problems caused by a new hardware install.  Common
procedure(as stated by Larry) is to remove one or more components, and find
which ones cause the conflict.  Having to re-activate the OS adds another drawn
out(and stupid, IMHO) step...
...So why do we need this new whiz-bang system...?  I'll stick with win98se for
a while...  I change my configuration too often to deal with this shit.

Eldred
--
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Eldre

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:50:19



>Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my data
>locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

Thus setting up a scenario where MS decide to raise the activation to $400 or
something, just out of the blue.  You'd have to pay the money, or lose all your
data.
Sounds like extortion to me... :(

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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Richard Walke

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Richard Walke » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:51:25





> > When you agreed to the 'end user license agreement'.  If you don't like
> > it, then don't run the software.  It's perfectly simple.

> Which means we won't get new drivers for our expensive hardware either!
> Already lots of hardware manufacturers have their noses up Microsfts ass
> and are only writing new drivers for XP.

So don't buy that particular hardware.

True.  But if people just put up with it, then it makes Microsoft's position
even stronger.  It's no good moaning about something being awful, but
subscribing to it!  :-)

--
Richard.

"I wanna hold your hand, I wanna hold your hand."

Jens H. Kruus

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Jens H. Kruus » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:44:54

Chris,

You are so full of Bill-dumpings! It is not at all the same thing and I suppose
only a deluded Billbehindkisser such as yourself would believe that utter
rubbish!

"Associate Expert"? Is that a bit like "Ignorant Fool" or rather
"Quasi-intelligent retarded monkey"? You are FORCING people to upgrade at an
outrageous cost. Your favorite company is a conficted abuser of a monopoly, so
don't even think about passing these wildly different practices off as the "same
thing".

Worst part? You probably believe the spin yourself.

/Jens, having a Jan day.



Jens H. Kruus

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Jens H. Kruus » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:47:33





> >Keep in mind that during this whole process MICROSOFT had all of my data
> >locked up and held hostage by this stupid activation system.

> Thus setting up a scenario where MS decide to raise the activation to $400 or
> something, just out of the blue.  You'd have to pay the money, or lose all
your
> data.
> Sounds like extortion to me... :(

It isn't. Just ask GWB's "Department of Justice XP"(TM).

/Jens

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:25:36

During setup, Windows XP does a check of software (on an upgrade) and
hardware for compatibility.  If there is a conflict or problem, it is noted
with recommendations prior to installation.  The user can deal with them in
advance of the installation.  Several programs of mine, including
PartitionMagic 7.0 raise flags on upgrades.  Installing it after an upgrade
works perfectly.

As I said, no one forces anyone to purchase and install Windows XP.  That's
a user choice, and by doing homework first like checking the hardware
compatibility list (http://www.microsoft.com/hcl/) and doing things like
reading this newsgroup, the install is fine.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



H."

> >The NIC does carry extra weight in the calculation, Larry, plus you made
> >three other changes, too.  Remember, if you're going to make a lot of
> >changes, note the date you've activated because after 120 days the system
is
> >reset to "zero" amount of the calculated hardware changes.  This is sort
of
> >saying if you were 100 days into your first activation, changing of the
> >controller, hard drive and adding another drive (don't believe that's
> >counted, but anyway) would count only until the 121st day.

> So how to you troubleshoot problems caused by a new hardware install.
Common
> procedure(as stated by Larry) is to remove one or more components, and
find
> which ones cause the conflict.  Having to re-activate the OS adds another
drawn
> out(and stupid, IMHO) step...
> ...So why do we need this new whiz-bang system...?  I'll stick with
win98se for
> a while...  I change my configuration too often to deal with this shit.

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Chris H

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Chris H » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:27:30

Jan is my Wife's name.  8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



Don Burnett

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Don Burnett » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:29:55






> > > XP without the WPA is available easily on the net. The only ones who
> > > suffer this are the people who buy it, not the people with illegal
> copies.

> > Mmmnnn... not quite.  There are 'legal' users, casual pirates, and
> 'expert'
> > pirates.  It's the latter group who have got the 'non-WPA' versions of
XP,
> > but WPA is probably stopping the casual pirates.

> Anyone who's avoiding even a pirated version of XP because of WPA doesn't
> even deserve the name 'pirate', really.  In fact, I've never seen a
> WPA-enabled version of XP floating around, period...it's as easy to get as
> most games and other programs, maybe even easier, despite being a 500MB
> download.

> Another thing.  I know lots of people using XP...but nobody who purchased
> it...

Well, I purchased it happily, and am loving it - it's an awesome OS. I don't
care for WPA any more than the next guy, but I will not use it as an excuse
to download and install a cracked pirated version - that's just stealing
plain and simple.
Matter of fact, it's people like that, that is the reason for this type of
nonsense to begin with.

Don Burnette

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

OT - My first problem with Windows XP Product Activation

by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:12:32


> Well, I purchased it happily, and am loving it - it's an awesome OS. I don't
> care for WPA any more than the next guy, but I will not use it as an excuse
> to download and install a cracked pirated version - that's just stealing
> plain and simple.

Uh? If you have bought and paid for windows XP, how can downloading
and installing a crack be stealing?

--
  -asbjxrn


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