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> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with them.

> > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
locked.
> > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500, and
so
> > far it's been ok.

> > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now concerning
> > these drivers, too.

> > TIA!

> > -Larry

> > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

> Hi Larry,

> it's probably got nothing to do with N4. WinXP seems to have problems with
> installing some sorts of drivers, don't know if it's non-WHQL related or
> not.

> The NG's are full of these probs under WinXP, across all hardware
platforms,
> VIA/Intel, Intel/Intel, AMD/VIA, etc. It's apparently not limited to
Nvidia,
> although that's where it seems to occur most frequently, but that could be
> because the Nvidia cards are so widespread, especially in the power ***
> community. But I've read about a case where the installation of new
> soundcard drivers caused a similar instability.

> You may want to have a look at your Registry, into
> "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nv4]"
> and see if the entry
> "ImagePath" points to "System32\DRIVERS\nv4.sys".
> If it does, try changing it to
> "ImagePath": "System32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys"

> XP seems to forget to register the latest version of nv4_mini.sys
correctly,
> and keeps pointing to the older nv4.sys that belongs to the 12.40 drivers
XP
> installs originally. I'm not sure it'll help you, but it could.

> Good luck!

> Achim

> But since WinXP is the common factor


> > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with them.

> > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
> locked.
> > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500, and
> so
> > far it's been ok.

> > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now concerning
> > these drivers, too.

> > TIA!

> > -Larry

> > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

> Very interesting.  Thanks!

> -Larry

> > Hi Larry,

> > it's probably got nothing to do with N4. WinXP seems to have problems
with
> > installing some sorts of drivers, don't know if it's non-WHQL related or
> > not.

> > The NG's are full of these probs under WinXP, across all hardware
> platforms,
> > VIA/Intel, Intel/Intel, AMD/VIA, etc. It's apparently not limited to
> Nvidia,
> > although that's where it seems to occur most frequently, but that could
be
> > because the Nvidia cards are so widespread, especially in the power
***
> > community. But I've read about a case where the installation of new
> > soundcard drivers caused a similar instability.

> > You may want to have a look at your Registry, into
> > "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nv4]"
> > and see if the entry
> > "ImagePath" points to "System32\DRIVERS\nv4.sys".
> > If it does, try changing it to
> > "ImagePath": "System32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys"

> > XP seems to forget to register the latest version of nv4_mini.sys
> correctly,
> > and keeps pointing to the older nv4.sys that belongs to the 12.40
drivers
> XP
> > installs originally. I'm not sure it'll help you, but it could.

> > Good luck!

> > Achim

> > But since WinXP is the common factor


> > > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with
them.

> > > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
> > locked.
> > > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500,
and
> > so
> > > far it's been ok.

> > > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now
concerning
> > > these drivers, too.

> > > TIA!

> > > -Larry

> > > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

>   23.11 was awful on my 1.5 ghz P4. I couldnt play Rally Trophy or Ghost
> Recon because of the horrible screen stutter and insane load times. I
ended
> up finding the Detonator Destroyer file which fixed all my probs. I had to
> remove 23.11 Nvidia drivers using Add/Remove progs. Then I ran the
Detonator
> Destroyer program, rebooted, installed older Nvidia drivers. Fixed it all.
> No more stuttering in any of the games I was having probs w. before. I
didnt
> know how awesome Ratty Trophy is until doing this. The sense of speed is
> excellent.

> Charlie

> > Very interesting.  Thanks!

> > -Larry

> > > Hi Larry,

> > > it's probably got nothing to do with N4. WinXP seems to have problems
> with
> > > installing some sorts of drivers, don't know if it's non-WHQL related
or
> > > not.

> > > The NG's are full of these probs under WinXP, across all hardware
> > platforms,
> > > VIA/Intel, Intel/Intel, AMD/VIA, etc. It's apparently not limited to
> > Nvidia,
> > > although that's where it seems to occur most frequently, but that
could
> be
> > > because the Nvidia cards are so widespread, especially in the power
> ***
> > > community. But I've read about a case where the installation of new
> > > soundcard drivers caused a similar instability.

> > > You may want to have a look at your Registry, into
> > > "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nv4]"
> > > and see if the entry
> > > "ImagePath" points to "System32\DRIVERS\nv4.sys".
> > > If it does, try changing it to
> > > "ImagePath": "System32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys"

> > > XP seems to forget to register the latest version of nv4_mini.sys
> > correctly,
> > > and keeps pointing to the older nv4.sys that belongs to the 12.40
> drivers
> > XP
> > > installs originally. I'm not sure it'll help you, but it could.

> > > Good luck!

> > > Achim

> > > But since WinXP is the common factor


> > > > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > > > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > > > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with
> them.

> > > > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
> > > locked.
> > > > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > > > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500,
> and
> > > so
> > > > far it's been ok.

> > > > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now
> concerning
> > > > these drivers, too.

> > > > TIA!

> > > > -Larry

> > > > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

>   23.11 was awful on my 1.5 ghz P4. I couldnt play Rally Trophy or Ghost
> Recon because of the horrible screen stutter and insane load times. I
ended
> up finding the Detonator Destroyer file which fixed all my probs. I had to
> remove 23.11 Nvidia drivers using Add/Remove progs. Then I ran the
Detonator
> Destroyer program, rebooted, installed older Nvidia drivers. Fixed it all.
> No more stuttering in any of the games I was having probs w. before. I
didnt
> know how awesome Ratty Trophy is until doing this. The sense of speed is
> excellent.

> Charlie

> > Very interesting.  Thanks!

> > -Larry

> > > Hi Larry,

> > > it's probably got nothing to do with N4. WinXP seems to have problems
> with
> > > installing some sorts of drivers, don't know if it's non-WHQL related
or
> > > not.

> > > The NG's are full of these probs under WinXP, across all hardware
> > platforms,
> > > VIA/Intel, Intel/Intel, AMD/VIA, etc. It's apparently not limited to
> > Nvidia,
> > > although that's where it seems to occur most frequently, but that
could
> be
> > > because the Nvidia cards are so widespread, especially in the power
> ***
> > > community. But I've read about a case where the installation of new
> > > soundcard drivers caused a similar instability.

> > > You may want to have a look at your Registry, into
> > > "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nv4]"
> > > and see if the entry
> > > "ImagePath" points to "System32\DRIVERS\nv4.sys".
> > > If it does, try changing it to
> > > "ImagePath": "System32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys"

> > > XP seems to forget to register the latest version of nv4_mini.sys
> > correctly,
> > > and keeps pointing to the older nv4.sys that belongs to the 12.40
> drivers
> > XP
> > > installs originally. I'm not sure it'll help you, but it could.

> > > Good luck!

> > > Achim

> > > But since WinXP is the common factor


> > > > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > > > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > > > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with
> them.

> > > > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
> > > locked.
> > > > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > > > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500,
> and
> > > so
> > > > far it's been ok.

> > > > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now
> concerning
> > > > these drivers, too.

> > > > TIA!

> > > > -Larry

> > > > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

> Though I am not convinced that the 23.11's are a particularly good driver
> release by nVidia (the complaints all over the web are pretty steady), I
> think I found the specific problem on my end.

> There seems to be a problem with ABIT's 5W release of the ABIT KG7 BIOS.
> There are definite patterns developing over on the ABIT newsgroup, and so
> far I think eveyone has had their issue resolved by flashing back to the
5E
> BIOS Rev.

> My KG7 went back to being the absolute, rock-steady (best AMD I've every
> used) system board that I was used to.  I have not seen a single 3D ***
> freeze since I did it.

> I'm still sticking with the 22.50 drivers though.  I don't hear too many
> complaints about them and since I'm pushing 80-90fps in N4 I don't need to
> be greedy for more speed :)

> -Larry

> > I had N4 lockup on me during a league race for the first time last
> > friday night using 23.11 drivers with XP home. StParadise

> > > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with
them.

> > > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
> locked.
> > > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500,
and
> so
> > > far it's been ok.

> > > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now
concerning
> > > these drivers, too.

> > > TIA!

> > > -Larry

> > > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

> Hi Larry,

> the 23.11 are excellent drivers. Best-ever visual quality.

> Their prob might be that they tax the systems to the max, squeezing the
last
> bit of performance out of them. Well configured and stable systems can
take
> it, but systems that are not rock solid may run into trouble.

> Achim

> > Though I am not convinced that the 23.11's are a particularly good
driver
> > release by nVidia (the complaints all over the web are pretty steady), I
> > think I found the specific problem on my end.

> > There seems to be a problem with ABIT's 5W release of the ABIT KG7 BIOS.
> > There are definite patterns developing over on the ABIT newsgroup, and
so
> > far I think eveyone has had their issue resolved by flashing back to the
> 5E
> > BIOS Rev.

> > My KG7 went back to being the absolute, rock-steady (best AMD I've every
> > used) system board that I was used to.  I have not seen a single 3D
***
> > freeze since I did it.

> > I'm still sticking with the 22.50 drivers though.  I don't hear too many
> > complaints about them and since I'm pushing 80-90fps in N4 I don't need
to
> > be greedy for more speed :)

> > -Larry

> > > I had N4 lockup on me during a league race for the first time last
> > > friday night using 23.11 drivers with XP home. StParadise

> > > > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11 drivers?
> > > > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > > > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with
> them.

> > > > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the screen
> > locked.
> > > > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the computer.

> > > > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3 Ti500,
> and
> > so
> > > > far it's been ok.

> > > > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now
> concerning
> > > > these drivers, too.

> > > > TIA!

> > > > -Larry

> > > > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC

> Not for everyone, that is for sure.

> There are dozens of stories across the net investigating problems with the
> 23.11 drivers, as well as many, many user complaints.

> The 23.11's are quite troublesome for many.

> For me, the 22.50's are working great and I'm developing a new attitude
> towards these nVidia drivers, especially NEDS.  If what I have works, and
> there's nothing REALLY compelling about the new one's (and it's gotta be
> more than 5fps improvement), then I'm not budging :)

> -Larry

> > Hi Larry,

> > the 23.11 are excellent drivers. Best-ever visual quality.

> > Their prob might be that they tax the systems to the max, squeezing the
> last
> > bit of performance out of them. Well configured and stable systems can
> take
> > it, but systems that are not rock solid may run into trouble.

> > Achim

> > > Though I am not convinced that the 23.11's are a particularly good
> driver
> > > release by nVidia (the complaints all over the web are pretty steady),
I
> > > think I found the specific problem on my end.

> > > There seems to be a problem with ABIT's 5W release of the ABIT KG7
BIOS.
> > > There are definite patterns developing over on the ABIT newsgroup, and
> so
> > > far I think eveyone has had their issue resolved by flashing back to
the
> > 5E
> > > BIOS Rev.

> > > My KG7 went back to being the absolute, rock-steady (best AMD I've
every
> > > used) system board that I was used to.  I have not seen a single 3D
> ***
> > > freeze since I did it.

> > > I'm still sticking with the 22.50 drivers though.  I don't hear too
many
> > > complaints about them and since I'm pushing 80-90fps in N4 I don't
need
> to
> > > be greedy for more speed :)

> > > -Larry

> > > > I had N4 lockup on me during a league race for the first time last
> > > > friday night using 23.11 drivers with XP home. StParadise

> > > > > Is anyone having serious problems with nVidia's Det-4 23.11
drivers?
> > > > > Particularly with XP and N4 ?

> > > > > I've also noted that Flight Simulator 2002 is none too stable with
> > them.

> > > > > N4 will run for a period of time, but then crash-out with the
screen
> > > locked.
> > > > > The only way to recover is to mash the reset button on the
computer.

> > > > > I wen't back to the 22.50 drivers that came with my GeForce 3
Ti500,
> > and
> > > so
> > > > > far it's been ok.

> > > > > There seems to be a lot of chatter all over the net right now
> > concerning
> > > > > these drivers, too.

> > > > > TIA!

> > > > > -Larry

> > > > > KG7/512MB/WinXP/AthlonXP1800+/TBSC