Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2

Ubisoft · released 1998 · discussed in 2,691 posts, 1996-2005 · overall tone mixed

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Timeline

• 1998-07-31 Ubisoft announced a successor to F1 Racing Simulation, later named Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2. post post
• 1998-09-23 Ubisoft released a demo of Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2. thread post
• 1998-10-02 Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 was released in the UK and Europe. Ubisoft held the North American release until February 1999. post post
• 1998-12-19 Ubisoft's Monaco Grand Prix patch 1.03 added a beta of its Game Service for internet racing. post

Key threads

• GP3 versus Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 debate 2000-08-05 · 41 posts
  A South African reader waiting for GP3 asked whether a cheap copy of Ubisoft's Monaco GP Racing Simulation 2 was worth buying. Jan Verschueren strongly defended MGPRS2's driving model and force feedback, while most others said GP3 was far better apart from online play. The thread drifted into a heated argument over a poster's claim that Ferrari mechanics thought GP3's physics were wrong, and whether locking the brakes at high speed makes an F1 car spin.
• F1 Racing Simulation or GP2: which is more realistic 1999-02-16 · 31 posts
  A poster asked whether F1 Racing Simulation or Grand Prix 2 was more realistic. Opinions split, with many preferring GP2's feel and its large library of add-on tracks, others backing F1RS or its Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 update, and several noting that the F1RS demo was worse than the full game. Jacques Villeneuve's reported use of GP2 to learn Spa was also discussed.
• F1 Racing Simulation's poor US sales figures 1999-06-06 · 28 posts
  A Gamecenter feature listed F1 Racing Simulation as selling only 12,570 copies in the US, against roughly 350,000 worldwide, and EA's Superbike World Championship about 7,000. Posters blamed Ubi Soft's year-long US release delay and weak marketing, and the American preference for NASCAR. Discussion also covered the delayed US release of Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2.
• Frustrations with Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 1999-08-12 · 27 posts
  A poster complained that MGPRS2's throttle felt on/off and its handling dead. Defenders blamed gear ratios, pedal axis setup and patches, while many others including ymenard and SpeedFreek agreed the physics lacked momentum and feel compared with GPL. The thread attracted mockery of Ubisoft's engine and a couple of apparent trolls.
• Ubi Soft offers direct sales of Monaco Grand Prix 1998-11-16 · 25 posts
  Ubi Soft's North American tech support announced that the UK version of Monaco Grand Prix could be bought directly ahead of the US release. Users responded with lists of bugs and complaints about Ubi's European support, and the representative said feedback would be passed on and that the US release would include the latest fixes.
• Getting around Monaco in F1 2000 and its realism 2000-05-27 · 22 posts
  David Masten shared a tip for raising F1 2000's maximum steering lock by editing the archived settings file, which helped at Monaco's hairpins. Eric Fesler found the cars too easy to drive. Gregor Veble said F1 2000 had the best physics of any modern F1 sim, judging by its vehicle files, but noted that inertia values had been raised for playability.
• Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 demo released 1998-09-23 · 20 posts
  David G. Fisher linked the 17MB demo of Ubisoft's Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2, featuring Monaco and Austria, and praised its improved physics and weight feel. Others noted the poor demo setup, the reused F1RS menus, and a career mode described at ECTS, and debated grass behaviour. A Ubi Soft tech support account said multiplayer had been totally revamped.
• Debate over whether GPL is overrated 1999-01-15 · 73 posts
  A thread titled GPL is overrated saw some posters list GPL's flaws, including frame rate collapse with full fields on older PCs, the lack of a clutch with auto-shifting, and no force feedback. Others defended its physics and said slower hardware was the issue, and the argument drifted into British versus American humour and Voodoo2 technicalities.
• MGPRS2 versus GP2 popularity argument 1999-05-07 · 65 posts
  A complaint that every F1 sim thread ends with claims of GP2's superiority started another long debate. David G Fisher cited F1RS's million-plus sales and website traffic as proof of popularity, while others dismissed hit counts and praised GP2's enduring playability, multi-player hot-seat mode and accessibility; most agreed GPL was in a class of its own.
• MGPRS2 praised as best F1 sim, nationalist flame follows 1998-12-12 · 60 posts
  A UK poster hailed Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 as the best F1 sim while taking swipes at Americans, provoking angry replies. The thread turned into arguments over Ubisoft's physics versus Papyrus's, whether amateur racers can judge realism, and whether developers read the newsgroup, with Trevor Thomas of Thomas Enterprises noting he reads daily. It ended in a USA versus Europe slanging match.
• Lack of good modern F1 sims: GP2 versus MGPRS2 1999-05-05 · 55 posts
  A poster complained that buyers wanting a modern F1 sim had little choice beyond the ageing GP2 and the 1967-era GPL. The thread became a long argument over whether Ubisoft's F1 Racing Simulation and Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 or GP2 had better physics, with side debates on how much graphics matter and on Eidos's upcoming Official Formula 1.
• New F1RS fan sparks MGPRS2 versus GPL bickering 1998-12-10 · 50 posts
  A newcomer enthused about F1 Racing Simulation after getting it free with Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2. The thread became an argument between John Wallace, who called MGPRS2 a near-identical rip-off, and Ronald Stoehr and Greg Cisko, who said its physics were much improved, with David G Fisher accusing GPL fans of partisanship. It later drifted into Gran Turismo realism and car top-speed physics.
• Is GPL worth buying in the bargain bin? 1999-06-08 · 28 posts
  Rick May asked whether GPL, now under 20 pounds, was still worth buying compared with Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2. Replies were nearly unanimous that GPL was the best sim available for physics and sound, though harder to learn and needing a 3dfx or Rendition card. TNT owners were pointed to the beta OpenGL patch, with frame-rate settings shared.
• Comparing GPL, Grand Prix 2 and Monaco Grand Prix 2 1999-10-07 · 27 posts
  A question about force feedback in GPL turned into a comparison of Grand Prix Legends, Grand Prix 2, F1 Racing Simulation and Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2. Iain Mackenzie called MGPRS2 the best modern F1 sim, others defended GP2 or said its cars felt on rails, and most agreed GPL's physics were unmatched. Jan Hovius explained that force feedback in GPL needed the 1.1 or 1.2 patch and recommended the Logitech wheel.
• Struggling with MGPRS2's handling 1999-01-05 · 27 posts
  A new MGPRS2 player asked whether constant tyre squeal was normal. Opinions split between those calling it a hovercraft and others defending it as an improvement over F1RS, with sound-problem fixes for SB Live cards and debate over track accuracy.
• Monaco GP demo seen as merely F1RS version 1.1 1998-09-26 · 26 posts
  Marc Collins concluded after playing the English Monaco GP demo that it was essentially F1RS with fixes sold at full price. Iain Mackenzie and others said the demo was unrepresentative and pointed to a positive beta review, while others agreed the changes were patch-level. The thread degenerated into personal insults.
• Which Formula One sim to buy for a force-feedback wheel 1999-12-14 · 25 posts
  A new Guillemot wheel owner asked which F1 sim handles best with force feedback, and was told Grand Prix Legends. Others suggested Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 or waiting for Grand Prix 3 for a modern sim. The thread turned into a debate about whether GPL needed a realism slider to sell to casual players.
• Best F1 sim: GPL, GP2, F1RS or MGPRS2 1999-04-14 · 23 posts
  A GP2 owner asked about the best F1 sims, and most replies told him to buy Grand Prix Legends. For modern F1, posters argued over whether GP2, F1 Racing Simulation or its update Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 was better, and the debate turned to crude insults between a few regulars.
• Do F1RS owners deserve a discount on Monaco GP? 1998-09-24 · 23 posts
  Antoine Renault argued that F1RS owners would feel ripped off paying full price for Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2, which he saw as what F1RS should have been. Others compared it to buying a new car model, while Bruce Kennewell argued nobody is owed a rebate when a sequel appears. The debate over upgrade pricing went unresolved.
• Is F1 2000 worth buying? Alternative F1 games 2000-05-13 · 21 posts
  A newcomer asked whether F1 2000 would run well on a PII 450. Replies said it needed heavy tweaking and stuttered at race starts even on fast machines, and suggested Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 or waiting for GP3. One poster noted Eidos's upcoming F1 World Grand Prix.
• Is Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 just an F1RS patch? 1998-11-16 · 21 posts
  Marc Collins called MGPRS2 little more than a patch to F1 Racing Simulation with unrealistic throttle response. Others argued it added far more than a patch and that the physics had changed, with debate about whether real cars behave similarly and comparisons with GPL.
• F1 Racing Simulation versus Monaco GP Racing Simulation 2 2000-02-07 · 21 posts
  A user asked whether Ubisoft's F1RS or MGPRS2 was more satisfying. Opinions split: ymenard preferred F1RS but called both mediocre, while Neo, Iain Mackenzie and Shumi preferred MGPRS2's setups and physics, especially with anti-spin enabled or brake help off. The Unofficial MGPRS2 site's lockout of Netscape users was also discussed.

Busiest threads

• Lack of good modern F1 sims: GP2 versus MGPRS2 (26 posts about it)
• MGPRS2 versus GP2 popularity argument (23 posts about it)
• Monaco GP demo seen as merely F1RS version 1.1 (17 posts about it)
• Do F1RS owners deserve a discount on Monaco GP? (16 posts about it)
• F1 2000 AI too easy and sim driver skill debate (14 posts about it)
• Is Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 just an F1RS patch? (14 posts about it)
• Struggling with MGPRS2's handling (14 posts about it)
• GP3 versus Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 debate (13 posts about it)
• F1 Racing Simulation versus Monaco GP Racing Simulation 2 (13 posts about it)
• Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 demo released (13 posts about it)
• MGPR2 (13 posts about it)
• Ubi Soft offers direct sales of Monaco Grand Prix (12 posts about it)
• New F1RS fan sparks MGPRS2 versus GPL bickering (12 posts about it)
• MGPRS2 praised as best F1 sim, nationalist flame follows (12 posts about it)
• ** MGPRS2 Review on High Gear (12 posts about it)

Sentiment by year

Each post that discussed the sim was rated from −2 (very negative) to +2 (very positive).

Who talked about it most

ymenard · 147 Iain Mackenzie · 103 David G Fisher · 64 David Masten · 58 Paul Jone · 51 Greg Cisko · 50 Ronald Stoehr · 46 J · 36 Driver · 34 Jan Verschueren · 33 Marc Collins · 32 Nos · 25 Jan Hovius · 25 Uwe Schuerkamp · 25 Jalo · 24 Lutrell · 23 Te · 22 don hodgdon · 19 Ian Parker · 17 David Buttery · 16

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