GPL... with FF???

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:02:16 +0200, "Jan Hovius" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Kyle, > >Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF >there's no competition! what is FF???? >MGPRS2 looks nice though! better than GPL???? Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>> im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion >> on which is the better of the two games??? >> >> Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... >> with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen >> in F1rs ??? >> >> i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in >> open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard >> ill be ready to race.... >> >> funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass ! >> >

No competition, MGPRS2 is superior to F1RS in every way. MGPRS2 can be updated to 1999 performance,***pits, names, sounds, etc etc at www.mgprs2.com. Iain

Agreed. I started with GP2. Then I went to F1RS. I felt the spins were 'less canned' than GP2. GP2 felt like it drove completely on rails (I know some GP2 *** fans will disagree with me here). I then got MGPRS2 and GPL at then same time. Having only played the GPL demo up until that point, I assumed that I'd play both evenly. ROFL. No chance. I actually thought that the first release of MGPRS had worse handling in it. It seemed that they had made it easier to spin,but also easire to catch it in an attempt to make it more 'tail out arcade-ish'. From what I understand, this was corrected in later patches,but I don't care, cos GPL is FAR superior. For anything to be better, it's got to use a physics modal that is at least of the same complexityas GPL's. Thats why I have this worrying feeling about what GP3 will turn out like. Gavin www.sharknose.freeserve.co.uk Please remove the GDDKVD before replying by email. ***** Posted via the UK Online online newsreader ***** Go to http://www.ukonline.co.uk to find out about other online services we offer our subscribers.

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> I then got MGPRS2 and GPL at then same time. Having only played the > GPL demo up until that point, I assumed that I'd play both evenly. > ROFL. No chance. I actually thought that the first release of MGPRS > had worse handling in it. It seemed that they had made it easier to > spin,but also easire to catch it in an attempt to make it more 'tail > out arcade-ish'. From what I understand, this was corrected in later > patches,but I don't care, cos GPL is FAR superior. For anything to be > better, it's got to use a physics modal that is at least of the same > complexityas GPL's.

Is that true about the physics or MGPRS2? I downloaded the demo and I didn't like it at all. In the demo, all assistance/help is turned on and the damn thing still slides the back end out. It doesn't even seem connected to what's going on in the race, the back end just slides around. For that reason (and that reason alone), I prefer the original F1 Racing Simulation. But everyone is right about GPL. That game is an almost perfect simulator. I've never had so much fun simply driving (uncompetitively) around a track as I do in that game. I don't care if I win, I don't get frustrated, I simply enjoy myself. It's also fun from a historical perspective. I've bought a few books on the history of Grand Prix racing and I watch the occaisonal Legends of Motorsports on Speedvision. All of that is due to GPL. It's sad to think that in a few years this game will be dated and there's no sequel to look forward to. -Andrew Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

>> I then got MGPRS2 and GPL at then same time. Having only played the >> GPL demo up until that point, I assumed that I'd play both evenly. >> ROFL. No chance. I actually thought that the first release of MGPRS >> had worse handling in it. It seemed that they had made it easier to >> spin,but also easire to catch it in an attempt to make it more 'tail >> out arcade-ish'. From what I understand, this was corrected in later >> patches,but I don't care, cos GPL is FAR superior. For anything to be >> better, it's got to use a physics modal that is at least of the same >> complexityas GPL's. >Is that true about the physics or MGPRS2? I downloaded the demo and I >didn't like it at all. In the demo, all assistance/help is turned on >and the damn thing still slides the back end out. It doesn't even seem >connected to what's going on in the race, the back end just slides >around. For that reason (and that reason alone), I prefer the original >F1 Racing Simulation. I couldn't tell you for sure. But I agree with you that it felt like it did. I've never played MGPRS2 since (apart from once on a mates machine to check the FF). Now, he reckons the latest patch made it like F1RS again, he also drove F1RS as well. So the fix is 'word of mouth'. Also, with regards to FF. GPL thashes it. However, I'd like to say the FF is still overrated in GPL. Mind you, it still kicks arse anyways. Plus I still need to tweak my settings. Only just got the LWFF. GPL has got me really interested in the old stuff. I would never even contemplate going to something like Coys or Goodwood before. Gavin www.sharknose.freeserve.co.uk Please remove the FWJYLJ before replying by email. ***** Posted via the UK Online online newsreader ***** Go to http://www.ukonline.co.uk to find out about other online services we offer our subscribers.

Except that I didn't ;) Gavin

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:02:16 +0200, "Jan Hovius" >Kyle, >Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF >there's no competition! what is FF???? better than GPL????

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>> im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion >> on which is the better of the two games??? >> Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... >> with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen >> in F1rs ??? >> i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in >> open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard >> ill be ready to race.... >> funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass !

>In article <7thve7$sq9$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > >> I then got MGPRS2 and GPL at then same time. Having only playedthe >> GPL demo up until that point, I assumed that I'd play bothevenly. >> ROFL. No chance. I actually thought that the first releaseof MGPRS >> had worse handling in it. It seemed that they had made it easierto >> spin,but also easire to catch it in an attempt to make it more'tail >> out arcade-ish'. From what I understand, this was corrected inlater >> patches,but I don't care, cos GPL is FAR superior. For anything tobe >> better, it's got to use a physics modal that is at least of thesame >> complexityas GPL's. > >Is that true about the physics or MGPRS2? I downloaded the demo andI >didn't like it at all. In the demo, all assistance/help is turnedon >and the damn thing still slides the back end out. It doesn'teven seem >connected to what's going on in the race, the back end just slides >around. For that reason (and that reason alone), I prefer theoriginal >F1 Racing Simulation. I couldn't tell you for sure. But I agree with you that it felt like it did. I've never played MGPRS2 since (apart from once on a mates machine to check the FF). Now, he reckons the latest patch made it like F1RS again, he also drove F1RS as well. So the fix is 'word of mouth'. Also, with regards to FF. GPL thashes it. However, I'd like to say the FF is still overrated in GPL. Mind you, it still kicks arse anyways. Plus I still need to tweak my settings. Only just got the LWFF. > >But everyone is right about GPL. That game is an almost perfect >simulator. I've never had so much fun simply driving(uncompetitively) >around a track as I do in that game. I don't care if I win, I don't >get frustrated, I simply enjoy myself. It's also fun from ahistorical >perspective. I've bought a few books on the history of Grand Prix >racing and I watch the occaisonal Legends of Motorsports on >Speedvision. All of that is due to GPL. It's sad to think that ina >few years this game will be dated and there's no sequel to lookforward

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>to. > >-Andrew > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

GPL has got me really interested in the old stuff. I would never even contemplate going to something like Coys or Goodwood before. Gavin [email hidden] www.sharknose.freeserve.co.uk Please remove the ICMNOO before replying by email. ***** Posted via the UK Online online newsreader ***** Go to http://www.ukonline.co.uk to find out about other online services we offer our subscribers.

>In article <7thve7$sq9$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > >> I then got MGPRS2 and GPL at then same time. Having only playedthe >> GPL demo up until that point, I assumed that I'd play bothevenly. >> ROFL. No chance. I actually thought that the first releaseof MGPRS >> had worse handling in it. It seemed that they had made it easierto >> spin,but also easire to catch it in an attempt to make it more'tail >> out arcade-ish'. From what I understand, this was corrected inlater >> patches,but I don't care, cos GPL is FAR superior. For anything tobe >> better, it's got to use a physics modal that is at least of thesame >> complexityas GPL's. > >Is that true about the physics or MGPRS2? I downloaded the demo andI >didn't like it at all. In the demo, all assistance/help is turnedon >and the damn thing still slides the back end out. It doesn'teven seem >connected to what's going on in the race, the back end just slides >around. For that reason (and that reason alone), I prefer theoriginal >F1 Racing Simulation. I couldn't tell you for sure. But I agree with you that it felt like it did. I've never played MGPRS2 since (apart from once on a mates machine to check the FF). Now, he reckons the latest patch made it like F1RS again, he also drove F1RS as well. So the fix is 'word of mouth'. Also, with regards to FF. GPL thashes it. However, I'd like to say the FF is still overrated in GPL. Mind you, it still kicks arse anyways. Plus I still need to tweak my settings. Only just got the LWFF. > >But everyone is right about GPL. That game is an almost perfect >simulator. I've never had so much fun simply driving(uncompetitively) >around a track as I do in that game. I don't care if I win, I don't >get frustrated, I simply enjoy myself. It's also fun from ahistorical >perspective. I've bought a few books on the history of Grand Prix >racing and I watch the occaisonal Legends of Motorsports on >Speedvision. All of that is due to GPL. It's sad to think that ina >few years this game will be dated and there's no sequel to lookforward

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>to. > >-Andrew > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

GPL has got me really interested in the old stuff. I would never even contemplate going to something like Coys or Goodwood before. Gavin [email hidden] www.sharknose.freeserve.co.uk Please remove the FWJYLJ before replying by email. ***** Posted via the UK Online online newsreader ***** Go to http://www.ukonline.co.uk to find out about other online services we offer our subscribers.

Don't know how many times we have to have this discussion! GPL and MGPRS are VERY different sims. They cannot really be compared. Both have their place, and as it stands (at the moment) MGPRS is the best MODERN F1 sim around. In respect to the comments about the back end in MGPRS, the way the car is setup and the effect that different parameters have is very different in MGPRS cf. F1RS. MGPRS is much more realistic in this sense - it's all a question of control and patience! Iain aws6000 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7ti7eu$lik$[email hidden]...

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> In article <7thve7$sq9$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > > I then got MGPRS2 and GPL at then same time. Having only played the > > GPL demo up until that point, I assumed that I'd play both evenly. > > ROFL. No chance. I actually thought that the first release of MGPRS > > had worse handling in it. It seemed that they had made it easier to > > spin,but also easire to catch it in an attempt to make it more 'tail > > out arcade-ish'. From what I understand, this was corrected in later > > patches,but I don't care, cos GPL is FAR superior. For anything to be > > better, it's got to use a physics modal that is at least of the same > > complexityas GPL's. > > Is that true about the physics or MGPRS2? I downloaded the demo and I > didn't like it at all. In the demo, all assistance/help is turned on > and the damn thing still slides the back end out. It doesn't even seem > connected to what's going on in the race, the back end just slides > around. For that reason (and that reason alone), I prefer the original > F1 Racing Simulation. > > But everyone is right about GPL. That game is an almost perfect > simulator. I've never had so much fun simply driving (uncompetitively) > around a track as I do in that game. I don't care if I win, I don't > get frustrated, I simply enjoy myself. It's also fun from a historical > perspective. I've bought a few books on the history of Grand Prix > racing and I watch the occaisonal Legends of Motorsports on > Speedvision. All of that is due to GPL. It's sad to think that in a > few years this game will be dated and there's no sequel to look forward > to. > > -Andrew > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

GP2 : ) -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion | on which is the better of the two games??? | | Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... | with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen | in F1rs ??? | | i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in | open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard | ill be ready to race.... | | funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass ! |

> GP2 felt like it drove completely on rails Only when you had steering help turned on in the controller options. -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends

Except that I didn't ;) Gavin Robin Lord <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7tikfc$c8e$[email hidden]...

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> > GP2 felt like it drove completely on rails > > Only when you had steering help turned on in the controller options. > > -- > Cheers, > > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. > > http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk > > Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends > > >

Fair enough! -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends Gavin Thomas <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7tiupt$mom$[email hidden]... | Except that I didn't ;) | | Gavin | | Robin Lord <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:7tikfc$c8e$[email hidden]... | > > GP2 felt like it drove completely on rails | > | > Only when you had steering help turned on in the controller options. | > | > -- | > Cheers, | > | > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. | > | > http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk | > | > Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends | > | > | > | |

Kyle wrote:

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> On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:02:16 +0200, "Jan Hovius" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Kyle, > > > >Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF > >there's no competition! > > what is FF???? >

Force Feedback: You'll need the patch (GPL1.1 or the new 1.2, to be released soon) and a FF-Wheel. I myself have a Logitech Wheel (LWFF) and really love it (it's generally believed its the best for GPL (most sensitive) except for the pedals(can be replaced with better ones eventually)). One advice: If you buy GPL do buy a FF-device too than you're really racing! > > >MGPRS2 looks nice though! > > better than GPL???? > Depends on what you expect: Some people think MGP is too colourfull (I myself don't think so, it's really nice). GPL lookt totally different, the colours are a bit more 'realistic' in this way they really give you the feeling you're driving in the sixties. At first I had to get used to the environment because you're really warped back in time: colours and scenery (e.g. the old fashioned billboards). The tracks themselves are marvellous: you really have the feeling you're there (and virtually feel the bumps). They are all different in pavement too: parts of the Rouen track look like a freeway others like a B-road. Someone in this thread mentioned that the two simulators are two total different worlds and shouldn't be compared, I disagree with that. You can make a comparison on quality: both are racing sims but with GPL you really "feel" the sensation of racing. I'm not competitive at all (can't even beat the AI) but have a great time racing around the tracks and find it really sensational to race online. There's one drawback on GPL however: You get addicted.

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> > Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >> im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion > >> on which is the better of the two games??? > >> > >> Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... > >> with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen > >> in F1rs ??? > >> > >> i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in > >> open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard > >> ill be ready to race.... > >> > >> funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass ! > >> > >

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7thve7$sq9$[email hidden]... > > Agreed. I started with GP2. Then I went to F1RS. I felt the spins were > 'less canned' than GP2. GP2 felt like it drove completely on rails (I > know some GP2 hardcore fans will disagree with me here). > you need to disable steering assist and a host of other assist............ it is in the options somewhere playaround there and like me once you discovered them, GP2 is out and out a classsic. it is truly an excellent game, well balanced in all departments of course can still be improved especially the AI Which I hate when I get rammed from behind while leading the race.... I think Shumi learnt his driving from these AI !!

Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote > Don't know how many times we have to have this discussion! GPL and MGPRSare > VERY different sims. They cannot really be compared. Both have theirplace, > and as it stands (at the moment) MGPRS is the best MODERN F1 sim around. It's your opinion, only that. I personally feel that Grand Prix 2 by Microsprose is a superior modern racing sim in many aspects compared to MGPRS2, and even if MGPRS2 has some superior aspects to GP2 my _opinion_ , still based on many facts, GP2 is superior to MGPRS2. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

That's what these NGs are all about - opinions! Iain ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2vaL3.2047$[email hidden]...

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> Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> wrote > > Don't know how many times we have to have this discussion! GPL and MGPRS > are > > VERY different sims. They cannot really be compared. Both have their > place, > > and as it stands (at the moment) MGPRS is the best MODERN F1 sim around. > > It's your opinion, only that. > > I personally feel that Grand Prix 2 by Microsprose is a superior modern > racing sim in many aspects compared to MGPRS2, and even if MGPRS2 has some > superior aspects to GP2 my _opinion_ , still based on many facts, GP2 is > superior to MGPRS2. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." > > >

> what is FF????Are you kidding? Force feedback! > > >MGPRS2 looks nice though! > > better than GPL????In a lot of ways, yes! Iain

In article <[email hidden]> , Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote: > better than GPL???? If you like driving in a cartoon, MGPRS is the game for you. If you like the subdued real world colours of GPL, the answer is no. -- Bye, Leo

> ><[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:7thve7$sq9$[email hidden]... >> >> Agreed. I started with GP2. Then I went to F1RS. I felt the spinswere >> 'less canned' than GP2. GP2 felt like it drove completely on rails(I

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>> know some GP2 hardcore fans will disagree with me here). > >you need to disable steering assist >and a host of other assist............ > > >it is in the options somewhere >playaround there and like me >once you discovered them, GP2 is out and out >a classsic.

LOL. I kinda guessed I'd get a few die-hard fans replying to this posting :) As I've mentioned in another reply, I did eventually reach the point when I had ALL the help options turned off. To me, at least, it still felt like driving on rails. OK, in comparison to GPL, this is a fair assumption, because of the difference in nature between the eras (no aero downforce vs loads of it). However, it 'felt' to much. Having said all this, GP2 was (and still is in a way) a classic, no disagrement there. I felt F1RS had a better, more accurate model (as suggested also by Nick Heidfeld, Jean Alesi and HHF somewhere...) [Mind you, GP2 had a MUCH nicer user interface, cool intro tune, and in general better layout. The default telemetry tool was much better than the F1RS one. Only when someone else wrote their own telemetry tool could any useful setup work be done in F1RS. What is it about French computer products and 'weird' interfaces]

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> > >it is truly an excellent game, >well balanced in all departments >of course can still be improved >especially the AI >Which I hate when I get rammed from behind >while leading the race.... >I think Shumi learnt his driving from these AI !! >

He he. Things haven't really got THAT much better. I've been taken out a few times in GPL that way. Mind you, who said that human players are any better at not doing this ;) Gavin Thomas www.sharknose.freeserve.co.uk [email hidden] Please remove the FVSJYN before replying by email. ***** Posted via the UK Online online newsreader ***** Go to http://www.ukonline.co.uk to find out about other online services we offer our subscribers.

Are you kidding? Force feedback! In a lot of ways, yes! Iain

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> On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:02:16 +0200, "Jan Hovius" > >Kyle, > >Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF > >there's no competition! > what is FF????

Force Feedback: You'll need the patch (GPL1.1 or the new 1.2, to be released soon) and a FF-Wheel. I myself have a Logitech Wheel (LWFF) and really love it (it's generally believed its the best for GPL (most sensitive) except for the pedals(can be replaced with better ones eventually)). One advice: If you buy GPL do buy a FF-device too than you're really racing! Depends on what you expect: Some people think MGP is too colourfull (I myself don't think so, it's really nice). GPL lookt totally different, the colours are a bit more 'realistic' in this way they really give you the feeling you're driving in the sixties. At first I had to get used to the environment because you're really warped back in time: colours and scenery (e.g. the old fashioned billboards). The tracks themselves are marvellous: you really have the feeling you're there (and virtually feel the bumps). They are all different in pavement too: parts of the Rouen track look like a freeway others like a B-road. Someone in this thread mentioned that the two simulators are two total different worlds and shouldn't be compared, I disagree with that. You can make a comparison on quality: both are racing sims but with GPL you really "feel" the sensation of racing. I'm not competitive at all (can't even beat the AI) but have a great time racing around the tracks and find it really sensational to race online. There's one drawback on GPL however: You get ***ed.

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> >> im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion > >> on which is the better of the two games??? > >> Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... > >> with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen > >> in F1rs ??? > >> i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in > >> open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard > >> ill be ready to race.... > >> funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass !

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Wow, we agree on something ;-D -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

That is allot of bull. I for one with allot of people do not like Gpl. We want modern sims. Jan Hovius wrote:

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> Kyle, > > Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF > there's no competition! > > MGPRS2 looks nice though! > > Jan. > Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion > > on which is the better of the two games??? > > > > Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... > > with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen > > in F1rs ??? > > > > i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in > > open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard > > ill be ready to race.... > > > > funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass ! > >

Mick, I can see your point that you don't like the era ('67) of GPL (and the cars belonging to this era) but being objective and comparing the simulator engines (i.o.w. the modelling) there's no competition! GPL is absolutely better! One might even be afraid there won't be a real successor for a long time because of the fact that GPL wasn't a big commercial success (meaning they won't put a lot of effort in developing a sequel or even modern F1 sim based on the GPL-physics modelling). Jan Mick wrote:

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> That is allot of bull. I for one with allot of people do not like Gpl. We > want modern sims. > > Jan Hovius wrote: > > > Kyle, > > > > Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF > > there's no competition! > > > > MGPRS2 looks nice though! > > > > Jan. > > Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion > > > on which is the better of the two games??? > > > > > > Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... > > > with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen > > > in F1rs ??? > > > > > > i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in > > > open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard > > > ill be ready to race.... > > > > > > funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass ! > > >

For true sim and physics you are correct. Nothing compares to it. I just enjoy modern F1 sims. Gp3 should be better if not equal to Gpl when it comes out. Can't wait. Jan Hovius wrote:

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> Mick, > > I can see your point that you don't like the era ('67) of GPL (and the cars > belonging to this era) but being objective and comparing the simulator engines > (i.o.w. the modelling) there's no competition! GPL is absolutely better! One > might even be afraid there won't be a real successor for a long time because > of the fact that GPL wasn't a big commercial success (meaning they won't put a > lot of effort in developing a sequel or even modern F1 sim based on the > GPL-physics modelling). > > Jan > Mick wrote: > > > That is allot of bull. I for one with allot of people do not like Gpl. We > > want modern sims. > > > > Jan Hovius wrote: > > > > > Kyle, > > > > > > Once you've started GPL you won't use MGPRS2 anymore. Especially with FF > > > there's no competition! > > > > > > MGPRS2 looks nice though! > > > > > > Jan. > > > Kyle <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > im sure this one is a no brainer... but id like to get peoples opinion > > > > on which is the better of the two games??? > > > > > > > > Monaco GP racing sim 2 or F1 racing sim... both by ubi-soft... > > > > with MGPrs2 being the newest but without the licensed vehicles as seen > > > > in F1rs ??? > > > > > > > > i know im buying GPL for sure... seems to be the defacto standard in > > > > open wheel racing to date... as soon as i buy that new motherboard > > > > ill be ready to race.... > > > > > > > > funny how the retro game is kickin the modern games ass ! > > > >