Opinions WTD: F1 2000 & other recommendations for F1 games

I have just started researching F1 racing games on the PC and F1 2000 was the first one I looked at, mainly because I love the NFS series. Anyway, I have read some comments in the group and my main concern is (Gamespot also mentioned this) that the game requires A LOT of juice to run well. My system: PII450 384MB SDRAM 12MB Creative Labs 3D Blaster Voodoo2 16MB Matrox Mill II 25GB of HD space (2 x 12.7GB) I get the feeling that this game would be useless on my system. I am VERY anxious to race Nurburgring and Hockenheim! Gamespot suggests a PIII650 minimum. Will this game run okay on my system? If not, are there any other F1 games that people could recommend? Keep in mind the above two tracks... :) Any suggestions appreciated... Thanks, - Tom N. ============================================================================== "Ferrari is the epitome of mechanical beauty and Ferraris are acquired by men who wish to turn their dreams into reality and inject into their lives a long period of youthful passion. I guess this is why there is Ferrari and then there is everything else." - Enzo Ferrari, on the Ferrari mystique (Translated from Italian) ==============================================================================

In article <8fkns0$3uv$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Thomas C Norwood) wrote: >I have just started researching F1 racing games on the PC and F1 2000 was >the first one I looked at, mainly because I love the NFS series. Although both NFS and F12K are published by EA Sports, they have little else in common as they come from different developers. EA just pays the bills, exercises some control, and makes the profits.

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>Anyway, I have read some comments in the group and my main concern is >(Gamespot also mentioned this) that the game requires A LOT of juice to >run well. My system: > >PII450 >384MB SDRAM >12MB Creative Labs 3D Blaster Voodoo2

I have a C300a oc'd to 450 with a V3-2000. Yes, it requires a lot of fiddling to get acceptable framerate sometimes. Yes, it is frustrating. Yes, I think it should be better for the level of graphics detail. But if you are willing to toy with it, say by reducing some of the detail levels to medium or high instead of max, reducing number of drawn vehicles, and most importantly, disabling mirrors (a big negative to your situational awareness), you'll get reasonable framerate. And it'll still look good. When hot-lapping, you'll have no problem cranking up the detail when you're the only one on the course. >I get the feeling that this game would be useless on my system. I am VERY >anxious to race Nurburgring and Hockenheim! Gamespot suggests a PIII650 >minimum. I'm not sure it'll even be that great with a 650, but again, I think a 450 can satisfy you, if you play with it. >Will this game run okay on my system? If not, are there any other F1 >games that people could recommend? Keep in mind the above two tracks... I'm racing (as probably most are right now), Nurnurgring. The AI drivers like to spin out (1/3rd the time?) at Ford. But there's a patch for that at bhmotorsports.com. After the graphics/framerate issue, the AI is my main beef. Many tracks feature a turn or turns where the AI just goes brain-dead. More than that, I think the AI is just plain bad. They don't know how to overtake, weaving wildly. And their throttle control is all over the place. Not a rave review I know. Still, I prefer it to GP2 and the Ubisoft titles (F1 Racing Sim and the sequel Monaco Grand Prix RS2) that I have. OTOH, if what you really like is the NFS set, which is much less sim-oriented than all of these, I'm not sure which you'll prefer. Hmmm, probably F12K, or perhaps one of the other more relaxed F1 sims out there.

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> I have just started researching F1 racing games on the PC and F1 2000 was > the first one I looked at, mainly because I love the NFS series. > > Anyway, I have read some comments in the group and my main concern is > (Gamespot also mentioned this) that the game requires A LOT of juice to > run well. My system: > > PII450 > 384MB SDRAM > 12MB Creative Labs 3D Blaster Voodoo2 > 16MB Matrox Mill II > 25GB of HD space (2 x 12.7GB) > > I get the feeling that this game would be useless on my system. I am VERY > anxious to race Nurburgring and Hockenheim! Gamespot suggests a PIII650 > minimum. > > Will this game run okay on my system? If not, are there any other F1 > games that people could recommend? Keep in mind the above two tracks... > :) > > Any suggestions appreciated... > > Thanks, > > - Tom N.

Tom, I'm running F1 2000 on a AMD K6-2/450, 128 MB of SDRAM, & Voodoo3 3000 AGP. After some tweaking it's very drivable everywhere but at the start of a race unless your on the front row. Joel Willstein [email hidden]

"Victor Chan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ztrT4.65292$[email hidden]... > The game couldn't even run with everything max out under 1027 x 768 withmy PIII550@825 > system. Using a GeForce SDR. Graphic settings are on high. With 22 carsvisible, the > game still stutters a bit, but barely playable. It doesn't perform any better than you describe with an 800 that has all the bells and whistles at those settings, either. Or even with some of the graphics and other options scaled back to medium or less. I kept wanting to like F12K, but it's just not there. OK for hot lapping or fooling around with 3 or 4 other cars on the track during practice sessions, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. Jerry Morelock

> > I'm running F1 2000 on a AMD K6-2/450, 128 MB of SDRAM, & Voodoo3 3000 > AGP. After some tweaking it's very drivable everywhere but at the start ofa > race unless your on the front row. > Nicely sums up why F12K is pretty much worthless. "It's OK, except when you start" just doesn't cut it for me. Wonder if you can turn off graphics display for all cars behind AND ahead? That might work--have to try it and see. :-) Jerry Morelock

But MGPRS2 is just too much bug, I got about 1/2 the time unable to get into the game because of hang up. do you have some suggestion? it is surely a good game and the best modern F1 stimulation up to now. "Nos" <[email hidden]> ���g��l�� news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 14 May 2000 00:07:06 GMT, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >Either wait for GP3 (looks like it could be a long wait) or get MGPRS2.F1

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> >2000 in my opinion is nothing special, even on a super-PC. > > > > > > I don't have F12000, but I don't think I would be happy with the frame > rates at all so I'm going to pass on it myself and try to find Monaco > Grand Prix Racing 2. I used to have a F1RS and really liked it. I know > that the Monaco version comes with fake teams and drivers, but there > are hacks to download that fix this. IMO, if frame rates are important > then this one is probably the one to get for now It also has pretty > good AI from what I have read, which is more important than eye candy. > F12000 has crappy frame rates and poor AI. Pass! > > -- > Nos

Either wait for GP3 (looks like it could be a long wait) or get MGPRS2. F1 2000 in my opinion is nothing special, even on a super-PC.

On Sun, 14 May 2000 00:07:06 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Either wait for GP3 (looks like it could be a long wait) or get MGPRS2. F1 >2000 in my opinion is nothing special, even on a super-PC. > > I don't have F12000, but I don't think I would be happy with the frame rates at all so I'm going to pass on it myself and try to find Monaco Grand Prix Racing 2. I used to have a F1RS and really liked it. I know that the Monaco version comes with fake teams and drivers, but there are hacks to download that fix this. IMO, if frame rates are important then this one is probably the one to get for now It also has pretty good AI from what I have read, which is more important than eye candy. F12000 has crappy frame rates and poor AI. Pass! -- Nos

The game couldn't even run with everything max out under 1027 x 768 with my PIII550@825 system. Using a GeForce SDR. Graphic settings are on high. With 22 cars visible, the game still stutters a bit, but barely playable. "Thomas C Norwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8fkns0$3uv$[email hidden]...

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> I have just started researching F1 racing games on the PC and F1 2000 was > the first one I looked at, mainly because I love the NFS series. > > Anyway, I have read some comments in the group and my main concern is > (Gamespot also mentioned this) that the game requires A LOT of juice to > run well. My system: > > PII450 > 384MB SDRAM > 12MB Creative Labs 3D Blaster Voodoo2 > 16MB Matrox Mill II > 25GB of HD space (2 x 12.7GB) > > I get the feeling that this game would be useless on my system. I am VERY > anxious to race Nurburgring and Hockenheim! Gamespot suggests a PIII650 > minimum. > > Will this game run okay on my system? If not, are there any other F1 > games that people could recommend? Keep in mind the above two tracks... > :) > > Any suggestions appreciated... > > Thanks, > > - Tom N. > > ============================================================================== > > "Ferrari is the epitome of mechanical beauty and Ferraris are acquired by > men who wish to turn their dreams into reality and inject into their > lives a long period of youthful passion. I guess this is why there is > Ferrari and then there is everything else." > > - Enzo Ferrari, on the Ferrari mystique (Translated from Italian) > > ============================================================================== >

On Sun, 14 May 2000 17:21:46 +1200, "DNA" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >But MGPRS2 is just too much bug, I got about 1/2 the time unable to get into >the game because of hang up. do you have some suggestion? it is surely a >good game and the best modern F1 stimulation up to now. I don't have MGPRS2. I had no problems with F1RS, but I did read a review of MGPRS2 and he said he had problems loading the game too. Maybe I won't buy it then if it's buggered that bad. I'm assuming you have patched it, using latest drivers etc. What vid card are you using. Maybe the game needs older drivers of glide if you have a V2 or V3. You can make anygame compatible with older versions of glide by extracting the glide.dll and ovl.dll to the game directory. It will then use that version of glide. -- Nos

Try disabling your virus scanner before trying to launch MGPRS2. Worked for me. J. P. Hovercraft DNA wrote:

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> But MGPRS2 is just too much bug, I got about 1/2 the time unable to get into > the game because of hang up. do you have some suggestion? it is surely a > good game and the best modern F1 stimulation up to now. > > "Nos" <[email hidden]> ���g��l�� > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 14 May 2000 00:07:06 GMT, "Simon Brown" > > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >Either wait for GP3 (looks like it could be a long wait) or get MGPRS2. > F1 > > >2000 in my opinion is nothing special, even on a super-PC. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have F12000, but I don't think I would be happy with the frame > > rates at all so I'm going to pass on it myself and try to find Monaco > > Grand Prix Racing 2. I used to have a F1RS and really liked it. I know > > that the Monaco version comes with fake teams and drivers, but there > > are hacks to download that fix this. IMO, if frame rates are important > > then this one is probably the one to get for now It also has pretty > > good AI from what I have read, which is more important than eye candy. > > F12000 has crappy frame rates and poor AI. Pass! > > > > -- > > Nos

chainbreaker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uPmAUbbv$GA.237@cpmsnbbsa03... > It doesn't perform any better than you describe with an 800 that has allthe > bells and whistles at those settings, either. Or even with some of the > graphics and other options scaled back to medium or less. No it doesn't. However, it is fine during a race at 800x600 with a 12MB voodoo2 card on my P3-600E. 25+fps in test and 20 in a full field race. Only a fool would turn everything to the max, it simply is not necessary. -- [email hidden]

On Sun, 14 May 2000 10:17:07 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >No it doesn't. However, it is fine during a race at 800x600 with >a 12MB voodoo2 card on my P3-600E. 25+fps in test and >20 in a full field race. Only a fool would turn everything to the >max, it simply is not necessary. I consider having mirrors on necessary. Sounds like turning them off would be a necessity on a P3 500 though. -- Nos

On Sun, 14 May 2000 11:28:03 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Try disabling your virus scanner before trying to launch MGPRS2. Worked for me. Does MGPRS2 run fine with no graphics issues on a V3? -- Nos

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> On Sun, 14 May 2000 10:17:07 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > > >No it doesn't. However, it is fine during a race at 800x600 with > >a 12MB voodoo2 card on my P3-600E. 25+fps in test and > >20 in a full field race. Only a fool would turn everything to the > >max, it simply is not necessary. > > I consider having mirrors on necessary. Sounds like turning them off > would be a necessity on a P3 500 though.

It isn't a necessity on a P3-600E. I have the missors on but the details for the mirrors off. -- [email hidden] > -- > Nos

Nos <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 14 May 2000 11:28:03 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >Try disabling your virus scanner before trying to launch MGPRS2. Workedfor me. > > Does MGPRS2 run fine with no graphics issues on a V3? I thought it was fine if you used Glide. -- [email hidden] > -- > Nos

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Nos) writes: >How come you're not overclocking that 600E? I read they are very >overclockable. I will get F1 2000 when I get around to upgrading. >I decided I'm not going to upgrade again until 1ghz cpu's are cheap >and Intel designs a decent new chipset. In the meantime I'm looking >for a copy of MGPRS2 if you know anyone that is selling one for a fair >price. Check Ebay. I got a copy for $10, I believe... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun, 14 May 2000 17:42:58 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >It isn't a necessity on a P3-600E. I have the missors on but the details >for the mirrors off. How come you're not overclocking that 600E? I read they are very overclockable. I will get F1 2000 when I get around to upgrading. I decided I'm not going to upgrade again until 1ghz cpu's are cheap and Intel designs a decent new chipset. In the meantime I'm looking for a copy of MGPRS2 if you know anyone that is selling one for a fair price. -- Nos

On Sun, 14 May 2000 17:43:32 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I thought it was fine if you used Glide. OK, just wanted to make sure it is fine on a V3. -- Nos

thus spoke: OK, just wanted to make sure it is fine on a V3. -- Nos

Eidos is releasing F1 World Grand Prix on 5/27. It's not anticipated to be hard core enough for most of this crowd, but frame rates are very high (check the forum at the developer's site, lankhor.com). Since I'm bigger on SCGT and TOCA2 than GPL (I'm too scared to even try GPL!), I'm going to give it a go. At least there will be *some* representation of the cars and tracks of the '99 season, and I'm not sophisticated enough to know what might be wrong anyway (and wouldn't care as long as it's fun). You might give that a go in a couple of weeks. In article <8fkns0$3uv$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Thomas C Norwood) wrote: > I have just started researching F1 racing games on the PC and F1 2000was > the first one I looked at, mainly because I love the NFS series. > > Anyway, I have read some comments in the group and my main concern is > (Gamespot also mentioned this) that the game requires A LOT of juiceto

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> run well. My system: > > PII450 > 384MB SDRAM > 12MB Creative Labs 3D Blaster Voodoo2 > 16MB Matrox Mill II > 25GB of HD space (2 x 12.7GB) > > I get the feeling that this game would be useless on my system. I am

VERY > anxious to race Nurburgring and Hockenheim! Gamespot suggests aPIII650 > minimum. > > Will this game run okay on my system? If not, are there any other F1 > games that people could recommend? Keep in mind the above twotracks...

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> :) > > Any suggestions appreciated... > > Thanks, > > - Tom N. > >

======================================================================== ====== > > "Ferrari is the epitome of mechanical beauty and Ferraris areacquired by > men who wish to turn their dreams into reality and inject into their > lives a long period of youthful passion. I guess this is why thereis > Ferrari and then there is everything else." > > - Enzo Ferrari, on the Ferrari mystique (Translated from Italian) > >======================================================================== ====== > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.