Re: F1RS or MGPRS2?

I don't agree with you Neo. Things did change. What changed is the way you have to set up a car before it runs a decent lap. After having learned how to do this in F1RS I turned to MGPRS2. First of all, all my setups in F1RS lacked a decent grip in the front. Also, with aids off I could hardly keep the cars on the track, even after finding decent setups in general. But it's a game, as is F1RS and it is in no way true Formula 1. But if you ask me which one is more realistic, than from the setup point of view I would say F1RS is the better one (although both have weird characteristics).And if you wish, you can get a 1999 race in F1RS as well. The only thing I would call an negative aspect is the graphics thing. MGPRS2 runs at 800*600, but F1RS only uses 640*400. The latter is a shame because my videocard has much improved drivers for 800*600, not for standard VGA-resolution. But in the end, if you have to buy the game, i think there's not much of a choise. F1RS is not available anymore in any shop for a long time (accept in a dump-shop maybe). MGPRS2 is the cheap version now, since somewhere at the end of this year there will be a follow-up by Ubisoft, as I've been told. Advice: copy it from friend ? Take F1RS. Have to buyt: not much choise, MGPRS2. scrcs

Hello all, I'm interested in general impressions from people who have run both F1RS and MGPRS2. Aside from the obvious graphics improvement in MGPRS2 (and you may want to debate this, too...8^)...), which delivered the more satisfying racing experience for you? ...and has anyone raced MGPRS2 on the Internet? What did you think? Did it work? How's the latency? I'm looking at current F1 sims and I'd be glad of any input to help me make a choice. Thanks, Kim Price

P. S. I'm using J. P.'s account to post this. We've been racing GPL on his LAN tonight. Kim Price "J. P. Hovercraft" wrote:

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> Hello all, > > I'm interested in general impressions from people who have run both F1RS > and MGPRS2. > > Aside from the obvious graphics improvement in MGPRS2 (and you may want > to debate this, too...8^)...), which delivered the more satisfying > racing experience for you? ...and has anyone raced MGPRS2 on the > Internet? What did you think? Did it work? How's the latency? > > I'm looking at current F1 sims and I'd be glad of any input to help me > make a choice. > > Thanks, > > Kim Price

"J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> wrote > Aside from the obvious graphics improvement in MGPRS2 (and you may want > to debate this, too...8^)...), which delivered the more satisfying > racing experience for you? ...and has anyone raced MGPRS2 on the > Internet? What did you think? Did it work? How's the latency? I suggest F1RS for a better experience, but it doesn't have any real multiplayer racing implemented in it. Meanwhile, some would say that MGPRS2 has a much less satisfying racing (both are poor, but MGPRS2 is mediocre to my eyes), but still it has a online racing system that isn't really good neither. If you want Net racing, there is no current F1 game that is axed as much as Papyrus titles for it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

[This followup was posted to rec.autos.simulators and a copy was sent to the cited author.] In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Hello all, > > I'm interested in general impressions from people who have run both F1RS > and MGPRS2. > > Aside from the obvious graphics improvement in MGPRS2 (and you may want > to debate this, too...8^)...), which delivered the more satisfying > racing experience for you? ...and has anyone raced MGPRS2 on the > Internet? What did you think? Did it work? How's the latency? > > I'm looking at current F1 sims and I'd be glad of any input to help me > make a choice.

This newsgroup has discussed this issue in quite some detail many times in the past, but as it happens, I prefer Monaco Grand Prix Racing Simulation 2 far more than F1 Racing Simulator. It may not have the official license, but it's easy to download the latest carsets from the internet. The graphics in MGPRS2 are an improvement over F1RS, but not by very much. In fact, very little has changed in the sim overall. Besides a few more graphical options and updated tracks, there really isn't much else to encourage you to buy this title over F1RS, except that it is still a better product. And selling for around �12 these days, you'd be nuts not to purchase it. Neo

Here is my copy of MGPRS that is now on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=255217799 Pepp

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>Hello all, >I'm interested in general impressions from people who have run both F1RS >and MGPRS2. >Aside from the obvious graphics improvement in MGPRS2 (and you may want >to debate this, too...8^)...), which delivered the more satisfying >racing experience for you? ...and has anyone raced MGPRS2 on the >Internet? What did you think? Did it work? How's the latency? >I'm looking at current F1 sims and I'd be glad of any input to help me >make a choice. >Thanks, >Kim Price

I really don't understand this debate at all! MGPRS2 is better than F1RS in every respect - graphics (higher res), physics, AI and setups particularly. The way the setup options changed the cars in F1RS was plain silly, but in MGPRS2 they are much more realistic. What you have to realise is that all F1RS setups have to be dumped if playing MGPRS2 because the cars react in a very different way. Go for MGPRS2 with the last patch and all the addons from the 'Unofficial' site. Iain

In article <Ui7o4.72898$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... =>I noticed the same thing about Anti-Spin. Turn it off and it's a totally =>different game. => =>Abandon Ubi Logic and deny to subscribe to the "all helps off is the most =>realistic setting" and you'll have some fun with it. => =>I even made the "Expert" level at the RS2League with Anti-Spin on, and =>everyone loves it a lot more. It's more intuitive as a whole (although still =>not the best physics). => =>In all... I like RS2 for some fun in a modern F1 car until the new ones come =>out from EA and Geoff. => =>If you decide to race online... check out : www.rs2league.com and have a few =>rounds. => =>Cheers, => =>Shumi => =>David Karr <[email hidden]> wrote in message =>news:87qgjo$prb$[email hidden]... =>> You know, when that notorious and famed sim (G_L) came out, I found MGPRS2 =>> to be rather dull (canned spins, etc.) =>> =>> BUT--not too terribly long ago, I went back and did a few things which =>have =>> changed my opinion a bit. I raised the steering ratio to around 16-18 =>> degrees in all setups & I turned off the brake help. =>> =>> I've left the wheelspin help on (it's just too, too sensitive w/o it), and =>> for now have left the anti-skid help on (because I'm too, too stupid)--and =>> believe it or not, it's a different game from what I had remembered. I =>have =>> even caught and corrected a few of those canned spins! =>> =>> And there's an ultra-cool FF patch out that adds some serious tactile =>> feedback. I have an OEM copy of F1RS for sale. There is no manual, but one is included on the disc. Make me an offer.

You know, when that notorious and famed sim (G_L) came out, I found MGPRS2 to be rather dull (canned spins, etc.) BUT--not too terribly long ago, I went back and did a few things which have changed my opinion a bit. I raised the steering ratio to around 16-18 degrees in all setups & I turned off the brake help. I've left the wheelspin help on (it's just too, too sensitive w/o it), and for now have left the anti-skid help on (because I'm too, too stupid)--and believe it or not, it's a different game from what I had remembered. I have even caught and corrected a few of those canned spins! And there's an ultra-cool FF patch out that adds some serious tactile feedback. --DK "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:87pt1j$ik0$[email hidden]... > I really don't understand this debate at all! > MGPRS2 is better than F1RS in every respect - graphics (higher res), > physics, AI and setups particularly. The way the setup options changedthe

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> cars in F1RS was plain silly, but in MGPRS2 they are much more realistic. > What you have to realise is that all F1RS setups have to be dumped if > playing MGPRS2 because the cars react in a very different way. > Go for MGPRS2 with the last patch and all the addons from the 'Unofficial' > site. > Iain > > scrcs <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:87mf3o$btc$[email hidden]... > > I don't agree with you Neo. Things did change. What changed is the way

you > > have to set up a car before it runs a decent lap. After having learnedhow > > to do this in F1RS I turned to MGPRS2. First of all, all my setups inF1RS > > lacked a decent grip in the front. Also, with aids off I could hardlykeep > > the cars on the track, even after finding decent setups in general. But > it's > > a game, as is F1RS and it is in no way true Formula 1. But if you ask me > > which one is more realistic, than from the setup point of view I wouldsay > > F1RS is the better one (although both have weird characteristics).And if > you > > wish, you can get a 1999 race in F1RS as well. > > The only thing I would call an negative aspect is the graphics thing. > MGPRS2 > > runs at 800*600, but F1RS only uses 640*400. The latter is a shamebecause > > my videocard has much improved drivers for 800*600, not for standard > > VGA-resolution. > > But in the end, if you have to buy the game, i think there's not much ofa > > choise. F1RS is not available anymore in any shop for a long time(accept > in > > a dump-shop maybe). MGPRS2 is the cheap version now, since somewhere at > the > > end of this year there will be a follow-up by Ubisoft, as I've beentold.

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> > Advice: copy it from friend ? Take F1RS. Have to buyt: not much choise, > > MGPRS2. > > > > scrcs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:54 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Aside from the obvious graphics improvement in MGPRS2 (and you may want >> to debate this, too...8^)...), which delivered the more satisfying >> racing experience for you? ...and has anyone raced MGPRS2 on the >> Internet? What did you think? Did it work? How's the latency? > > >I suggest F1RS for a better experience, but it doesn't have any real >multiplayer racing implemented in it. Meanwhile, some would say that MGPRS2 >has a much less satisfying racing (both are poor, but MGPRS2 is mediocre to >my eyes), but still it has a online racing system that isn't really good >neither.

What's better about F1RS than MGPRS2, besides an official license? Neo

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:48:58 +0100, "scrcs" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I don't agree with you Neo. Things did change. What changed is the way you >have to set up a car before it runs a decent lap. After having learned how >to do this in F1RS I turned to MGPRS2. First of all, all my setups in F1RS >lacked a decent grip in the front. Also, with aids off I could hardly keep >the cars on the track, even after finding decent setups in general. But it's >a game, as is F1RS and it is in no way true Formula 1. But if you ask me >which one is more realistic, than from the setup point of view I would say >F1RS is the better one (although both have weird characteristics).And if you >wish, you can get a 1999 race in F1RS as well.

But the change in car physics is more of a tweak than an actual 'change'. F1RS is almost undriveable, I agree. Neo

"Neo" <[email hidden]> wrote > What's better about F1RS than MGPRS2, besides an official license? <sarcasm> Sound in replay. Barcelona. This threads makes those games look like excellent ones, but they are not, if whoever newbie reads the thread. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I noticed the same thing about Anti-Spin. Turn it off and it's a totally different game. Abandon Ubi Logic and deny to subscribe to the "all helps off is the most realistic setting" and you'll have some fun with it. I even made the "Expert" level at the RS2League with Anti-Spin on, and everyone loves it a lot more. It's more intuitive as a whole (although still not the best physics). In all... I like RS2 for some fun in a modern F1 car until the new ones come out from EA and Geoff. If you decide to race online... check out : www.rs2league.com and have a few rounds. Cheers, Shumi David Karr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:87qgjo$prb$[email hidden]... > You know, when that notorious and famed sim (G_L) came out, I found MGPRS2 > to be rather dull (canned spins, etc.) > > BUT--not too terribly long ago, I went back and did a few things whichhave > changed my opinion a bit. I raised the steering ratio to around 16-18 > degrees in all setups & I turned off the brake help. > > I've left the wheelspin help on (it's just too, too sensitive w/o it), and > for now have left the anti-skid help on (because I'm too, too stupid)--and > believe it or not, it's a different game from what I had remembered. Ihave

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> even caught and corrected a few of those canned spins! > > And there's an ultra-cool FF patch out that adds some serious tactile > feedback. > > --DK > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:87pt1j$ik0$[email hidden]... > > I really don't understand this debate at all! > > MGPRS2 is better than F1RS in every respect - graphics (higher res), > > physics, AI and setups particularly. The way the setup options changed > the > > cars in F1RS was plain silly, but in MGPRS2 they are much more

realistic. > > What you have to realise is that all F1RS setups have to be dumped if > > playing MGPRS2 because the cars react in a very different way. > > Go for MGPRS2 with the last patch and all the addons from the'Unofficial'

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> > site. > > Iain > > > > scrcs <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:87mf3o$btc$[email hidden]... > > > I don't agree with you Neo. Things did change. What changed is the way > you > > > have to set up a car before it runs a decent lap. After having learned > how > > > to do this in F1RS I turned to MGPRS2. First of all, all my setups in > F1RS > > > lacked a decent grip in the front. Also, with aids off I could hardly > keep > > > the cars on the track, even after finding decent setups in general.

But > > it's > > > a game, as is F1RS and it is in no way true Formula 1. But if you askme > > > which one is more realistic, than from the setup point of view I would > say > > > F1RS is the better one (although both have weird characteristics).Andif

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> > you > > > wish, you can get a 1999 race in F1RS as well. > > > The only thing I would call an negative aspect is the graphics thing. > > MGPRS2 > > > runs at 800*600, but F1RS only uses 640*400. The latter is a shame > because > > > my videocard has much improved drivers for 800*600, not for standard > > > VGA-resolution. > > > But in the end, if you have to buy the game, i think there's not much

of > a > > > choise. F1RS is not available anymore in any shop for a long time > (accept > > in > > > a dump-shop maybe). MGPRS2 is the cheap version now, since somewhereat > > the > > > end of this year there will be a follow-up by Ubisoft, as I've been > told. > > > Advice: copy it from friend ? Take F1RS. Have to buyt: not muchchoise,

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> > > MGPRS2. > > > > > > scrcs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Rubbish! MGPRS2 has some problems, but on the whole it is the best modern F1 sim out there, especially with all the addons from the 'Unofficial' site. Iain

For the sake of this newsgroup, I'll just go and simply say that I disagree completely. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

> > Rubbish! MGPRS2 has some problems, but on the whole it is the best modern > F1 > > sim out there, especially with all the addons from the 'Unofficial' site. > For the sake of this newsgroup, I'll just go and simply say that I disagree > completely. Very sane, ymenard. And BTW, I'm sure "all the addons" hardly outweigh 2% of GP2's addons.

Also my opinion Jens On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:12:49 -0000, "Iain Mackenzie" >> This threads makes those games look like excellent ones, but they are not, >> if whoever newbie reads the thread. >Rubbish! MGPRS2 has some problems, but on the whole it is the best modern F1 >sim out there, especially with all the addons from the 'Unofficial' site. >Iain --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address Visit my webpage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ for some serious stuff concerning: Radio controlled airplanes Racing simulation, esp. GPL Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor

Agree 100%. You just to give it a few hours.

>> Rubbish! MGPRS2 has some problems, but on the whole it is the best modern F1 >> sim out there, especially with all the addons from the 'Unofficial' site. >Agree 100%. >You just to give it a few hours. Agree too. Too bad the unofficial locks out netscape users (that's my browser of choice with Linux), so I haven't had a chance to check for any updates. Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Since Rick hardly ever reads this newsgroup, I'll respond to that last post. He is planning to make The Unofficial, netscape-friendly again. I'm not sure what the exact timeline on this is going to be. But it is going to happen. I do agree with you Uwe. It is frustrating not being able to check out what's going on with the site if you don't have IE. F1Filter > On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:42:51 +0100, Vedran Dordevic > >> Rubbish! MGPRS2 has some problems, but on the whole it is the best modern F1 > >> sim out there, especially with all the addons from the 'Unofficial' site.

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> >Agree 100%. > >You just to give it a few hours. > Agree too. Too bad the unofficial locks out netscape users > (that's my browser of choice with Linux), so I haven't had a > chance to check for any updates. > Uwe > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:12:54 GMT, F1Filter <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Since Rick hardly ever reads this newsgroup, I'll respond to that last post. > >He is planning to make The Unofficial, netscape-friendly again. I'm not >sure what the exact timeline on this is going to be. But it is going to >happen. > >I do agree with you Uwe. It is frustrating not being able to check out >what's going on with the site if you don't have IE. >

Thanks for your support. The web never would have grown to what it is right now if people had designed it targeted at a single platform / browser / specification. I can live with minor annoyances like a page not displaying right or getting on my tits my asking for stupid plugins, but locking out users at the front door is biting yourself in the arse in the long run. Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61