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Before you get your panties in a knot understand that your choices
mean little to me, this is just more information you can use to decide
where you are gonna spend money.

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
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September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
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-John

I love the way the Voodoo5 looks...and the way the GeForce3 runs....

--Steve Smith (who wrote "PC Pilot," which I bet you haven't read)

With a 1Ghz + cpu I would expect the ATI to start strutting its stuff.
but for now I have the ATI in a box and the V5 inside my box.  The ATI
is not as compatible as the V5 has worse FSAA and crashes more often
and is no faster.

So for the slow pokes like me with sub 1Ghz cpus I would take a V5
over a GF3 or ATI radeon.

All that hopefully will change when I upgrade my cpu.

Bob...

Milhouse

The Voodoo5 performs well on a glide based app, as long as you don't want to
rasie the resolution in 32-bit color, FSAA or not, it won't run at
acceptable frame rates.

The Voodoo5 is an abandoned product, there will be no support for DirectX8
other than the few persons who are issuing 3rd party drivers. I know, I have
a few different sets.

The Geforce3 line of products run OpenGL and Direct3D apps very well, for
example Unreal Tournement in OpenGL with the enhanced texture set runs
super-clean and is visually dramatic with the GeForce3, The Voodoo5 is
unplayable under the same conditions. I know, I tried it, thats why I got a
GeF3. And I believe UT is the showcase app for a Voodoo.

You go on about how it costs $300 to get a GeForce3, you lose authority when
you fail to mention that newegg is selling geforce3 ti200's for $159 and a
lifetime warranty. Simply OC the card to 95% geforce3 regular levels and you
have outstanding value. Or get a full blown GeF3 with 3.8ns ram for just
under $200.

You ignore the benefit of AGP and precaching textures (prevents stuttering),
you ignore the numerous and varied settings that the Detonator drivers have,
to tailor to your parcticual app. Have you tried Quincunx and 2X anisotropic
filtering? They work phenomenally well with most "fast-action" games. Very
small performance hit, great visual improvement.

You neglect to compare the 2D quality, you neglect to mention color
saturation, convergence, product support.

You neglect a great many things to try and claim the voodoo5 is holding it's
own with the current crop of games. Your testing methodology is flawed
(honestly, just because you test the geforce3 with 16-bit color, and you go
*on and on* about image quality I'm supposed to take your word for it that
32 bit color doesn't help the end result?)

If your point is "The Voodoo5 runs DirectX7 games at low resolution and low
frame rates, but with acceptable image quality" then thank you Mr. News
Flash. Welcome to 2002.

The V5 was a great card, it played well at low resolution with a fast
processor on glide games and

Its a bit disappointing when the cards that are 3 years newer still
have crapola FSAA.   And any chance that unreal will work as well in
D3D as it does in GLide?   I mean how much time do they need to fix
the Unreal for D3D?

It seems that they spend too much time cranking out the fastest frame
rates and the quality goes out the window.  The 2 quality of the GF3
and ATI are worse than the old V5.  The Matrox is the best still.

For 300.00 why do they sacrifice 2D. I compared my Radeon to the V5
and the text is just a little bit blurrier at 1280 and beyond.  Whats
up with that?

Don't get me wrong I know my V5 is dated and days are numbered.  But
the new cards take a step backwards in some areas.   I want my cake
and eat it too.  I want all the good stuff of the V5 plus all the
speed and new effects of the newer ones.

I didnt enable Anisotropic filtering on the Voodoo 5 because it doesnt
have it, and doesnt need it...but the GF3 to match the V5's image
quality does indeed require it. But you can test it for yourself if
you want...and see what kind of difference it makes....I made
availible all the settings and the recordings.

Changing the "other" settings is crucial in Quake 3 to match mine
since Texture detail is halfway up using High Settings and Geometric
detail is also set to medium. On my runs both were jacked up to Wide
F*&king Open....

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive
September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
www.papadoc.net

3dMark 2001 run without Hardware TnL enabled only software TnL and at
x4 FSAA. Which explains why the Geforce did so well there btw...if I
had run the GF3 in x0FSAA and x2 FSAA the scores would have been
different.

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My sense of self impotance? About a video card review..?? You are
serious..?? Sorry thats not what defines my sense of
importance..though that you think it does says alot about you.

Operation Flashpoint is one of the most popular games to have been
sold in the States. Here are the scores running Direct X. Notice the
1600x1200 x2 FSAA score..

1600x1200 x2 FSAA 16bit
 25.7 Geforce 3
 28.5 Voodoo 5

Course I can hear your blustering answer already...but Waaaaa you
didnt run it in 32bit. Well Einstien as I stated several times in the
review it, the review was specifically intended to test the card most
V5 owners would run the games. We dont run in 32 bit because frankly
we havent had to....not because we couldnt. Try reading something
before acting like some self possessed jerk.

And with your laser sharp grasp of the English language you apparently
missed the part where I specifically made mention to the problem of
the drivers.

As the article states several times genius I intended it for V5 owners
who are considering whether to spend the money to buy a GF3.

Stutters just fine in iL-2 thank you.

You mean like the fact that the direct x page in the Drivers
properties is missing the anisotropic adjustment..? You have to get a
3rd party app to adjust that...and it doesnt work in all games.

Ah I see you didnt read the article..

2D Quality..? You arent seriously gonna suggest that the V5 is
deficient in that regard in comparison to the GF3..besides which Im a
gamer. And yes if you would have taken time to step down from that
very high horse of yours you would have seen that I did indeed talk
about most of that.

You mean like Ghost Recon ? Where at 1600x1200 x2 FSAA it beat the
Geforce 3 by 2 frames a second..?

Try reading its liberating.

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive
September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
www.papadoc.net

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