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        Yup.  That was sorta the point.  Just getting the next newest thing
isn't all that wise.

        Someone suggested that, for some purposes and some gamers, making an
expensive upgrade to the latest generation really doesn't make sense to
Voodoo5 owners.  You reacted as if someone had questioned your very essance of
being.

        When did you buy your GF3?  Was probably top of the line when you got
it.  And yes, the GF4 is right around the corner.  That was mentioned in that
article, as it had a "wait for the GF4 if you're still running a Voodoo5"
undertone to it.

        Many hundreds when new.  The GF4 probably will be as well.  
Admittedly, the Ti200 is now to somewhat acceptable prices, but again, for
many systems the change will not be worth it.

        Yup.  Looks like one more generation of games until a needed upgrade.
 As is, the latest play pretty well on a V5, enough so not to justify an
upgrade.  At least, not with my mid-level CPU.

                                        -Tim

You keep implying *** envy on my behalf. Of course, that's not the case,
try to be at least somewhat serious in your posts. Anyway, this is my first
(at least somewhat) top of the line videocard since forever, I used to play
on an ATI Rage128 with a crippled 64-bit bus, and before that I had - brr -
a PowerVR PCX2. That was not fun at all, and the difference from that and
what I have now is literally lightyears. I don't upgrade "every few months",
far from it. Besides, GF3s don't cost "hundreds of dollars" anymore. Don't
be rediculous.

Anyway, the V5 was good when it was new, no point in debating that. It's
also not a point in debating that it's NOT a waste of money to upgrade to
something recent, that might well be a GF3, or a Radeon 8xxx for that
matter. So wise up, dude and stop acting like a petuous child.

 Bye!
/HB.

When's Doom3 due out, anyway?

Wasting? Hundreds? Lol.......
Yeah...by all means...go buy a V5....you really deserve it...hehe

You total moron...
I got your Jury right here..hehe
You are one twisted idiot....

You really do represent the bottom of the gene pool, don't ya.....hehe
Have you ever even seen a GF3 yet?
Dumbass....hehe

You 3dfx sheep are such idiots....hehe

Radeon 8500 might fare better, since it features more advanced pixel shaders
which cuts down on the number of rendering passes needed from 2-3 on GF3 to
possibly just one.

I don't think it will happen this year, but I really don't know. I suppose
it'll hit the stands right around the same time Duke Nukem Forever does,
LOL! ;-)

 Bye!
/HB.

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Never Forget Never Forgive
September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
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Actually thats EXACTLY what it was about..just that you havent even
read the review, you have just looked at the pretty pictures.

Nope if you have a Geforce FSAA isnt that big a deal because it doesnt
work nearly as well.

Well actually it is but dont let the fact that alot of games dont care
that much about the fillrate of the card since even at x4 FSAA the
fillrate is sufficient. But hey you havent let silly little things
like facts get in the way yet.

Well ok you have a few cells ticking over up there...now next question
are ALL games Fillrate intensive..? Next question if all games are NOT
fillrate intensive and a player with a 750mhz is considering buying a
video card to up his picture quality and framerate and he plays 80%
games that are NOT fillrate intensive what should he do...? Upgrade
his V5 or buy a new CPU?

Its not a question of performance genius..since the performance has
been established as equal in many games.

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September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
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Most games are Direct X, if the drivers dont work in Direct X then a
very large part of the abilities of the card are broken since you
claim that they are so important.

Yes when it works its great I stated as much in the article. But they
are BROKEN in Direct X...

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That's just so very sad!

 Bye!
/HB.

Like you would know... Yes, I did actually read it.

Uh, it works fine. Never found a single app where it doesn't work.

You aren't hard of reading, are you? Like I said, in fillrate intensive apps
the V5 is lagging behind (and badly) in 4x FSAA since 3dfx's implementation
quadruples not only fillrate requirements but also video scanout bandwidth.
And here you come romping through like a mountain troll shouting about
"silly things like facts"... Stick to the subject, you fool.

Considering the V5 has no tech support, no driver support and NO FUTURE
WHATSOEVER, I think the answer to that question is pretty clear. Have you
seen very many games that claims 3dfx compatibility lately? To be frank, I'd
be surprised if you could even find one.

It's not equal in many games. In a select few examples, from a limited
genre, the V5 is indeed competitive. But then, in Unreal and such titles, a
V3 could outperform a GF256, so that proves nothing. That the V5 is
competitive in those select few titles (which more often than not are none
too new for that matter) does not make the two products equal, and anyone
believing so is a FOOL. Period.

If you do indeed intend to keep on playing those few titles FOREVER, never
plan to upgrade your OS or your hardware (to a P4 845/850 system), then go
right ahead and keep that V5 of yours. To quote Zod, the idiot child: "You
deserve it. hehe"

Other people may want to reconsider.

 Bye!
/HB.

        Not anymore, but every brand new top-of-the-line card is at the $300
or so price range when it comes out.  And I know of those who insist at
jumping on the latest and greatest.  If you didn't, great.  I misjudged you.

        New?  It was/is great old, used and on the cheap.  And yes, a GF3 is a
waste of money with the games I play.  Even if I got a Ti200 and sold my V5,
I'd be out $80 or so out of pocket.  And I wouldn't want to sell my V5 as some
games I'm working on run better in it (Deux Ex, for example.)  Of course, I am
planning on building a new system sometime soon, with a nice Athlon XP 2000 or
so, and at that point I'll need something new and great.  Though it will
likely be a Radeon.

        But again, the review still stands as quite good.  It is the sort of
thing that those who care about what they spend and whether what they spend on
is worth it need.

                                        -Tim

In regards to what you read, admitting you have read the article is
makes it worse for you not better. Because now you admit to no
comprehension of what you have read.

For instance your inability to understand this...
"So what is the purpose of comparing old dog vs the big bad ass new
dog aside from wanting to see for myself? Easy there are a lot of
people who own a Voodoo 5 that are wondering whether spending the
$300.00 for a new Geforce 3 will be worthwhile. A note, please
understand that this card compares favorably to the newest GF3 Ti 500
since it was clocked at 220/525 for the duration of this test no
anomalies were seen at this speed and I believe it could have hit much
higher.  I hope to provide some comparisons with some apps to help you
decide whether your $300.00 should be spent on the Winfast LeadTek
Geforce 3 or a new motherboard and CPU combination. For the attention
deficit disorder crowd I believe that unless you own an Intel i740
Graphic Chipset or the like that you will ALWAYS get better bang for
buck going with a new CPU."

Or this.....
"It was great to see the Nvidia product really take on everything this
time with not a hint of the driver instability when using FSAA that I
encountered in the last test with the Geforce 2 GTS. Certainly anyone
getting a GF3 should be very happy and they will marvel at their cards
performance especially in 32bit. But if you are sitting there thinking
that getting rid of your Voodoo 5 and buying a Geforce 3 is gonna fix
your framerate problems.well you should consider other avenues first.
Get the fastest processor you can buy with the best memory and
motherboard as that will probably get you much more improvement for
the money over the course of all your games. Plus you wont lose your
compatibility with older games along with not losing that unbeatable
FSAA"

Both ripped directly from the review...goof.

I would respond to the rest of your drivel but its to much effort.

http://www.papadoc.net/V5vsGF3.html

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive
September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
www.papadoc.net

Well its raining outside and smacking around knowitalls like you is
one of my favorite pastimes when I have nothing better to do. Besides
you are such an easy target.

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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive
September 11, 2001
We Will Find You
www.papadoc.net