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Hans Bergengre

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by Hans Bergengre » Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:32:29


Wish I could say the same bout you, however there is nothing entertaining
about what you're writing. It's just SAD to witness a man arguing plain
futility and trying to make it out as the truth.

Doesn't matter one bit when speaking about *3DMark*. You can't, repeat:
*CAN'T*, compare non-TnL performance out of a TnL-enabled/optimized
application on TnL-enabled/optimized hardware by disabling TnL on said
program/hardware. You just get bogus numbers from doing that.

That's not what I said, dude. (And you accuse ME of lacking reading skills?)

What I said is that you don't get any meaningful numbers from doing so.
Anyway, the only thing 3dmark2001 measures is 3dmark2001 performance, not
d3d performance, TnL performance or 3D performance in general for that
matter. It ONLY measures 3dmark2001 performance, which makes it a pretty
useless benchmark, a position I've maintained for, like, forever.

It's easy to run, I'll give you that. But it's not useful for any kind of
performance comparisons. You don't do a lot of playing 3dmark2001, do you?
So why use it as a performance comparison tool? It's a fake benchmark,
pretty to look at and nice for testing 3D card stability but not much else.

"Monkey's"? Monkey's WHAT?

Please make more grammatical sense than this.

If you didn't get the numbers to prove it, your system is screwed up. It's
that easy.

GF3 is two years more recent than the V5 (architectually, it's more than
that, since V5 basically is two TNT2s stuck on one board), if you seriously
believe the two products are equal, then you are more screwed up than I'd
like to imagine.

Translation: "Blah, blah, blah. Yadda-yadda. I'm full both of myself and hot
air."

But they're not on EQUAL footing. GF3 has both greater raw fillrate and
greater fillrate efficiency. So they're really not equal at all.

But you're not putting them on EQUAL footing by disabling hardware TnL in
3dmark2001. That's what I've been trying to tell you for a while now, but
you seem incapable of changing your dim views once you've gotten an idea in
your head. Typical zealot behaviour, you desperately want to see your aging,
obsolete hardware on the same level as the latest and greatest of today, and
you look everywhere, turn every rock in search of evidence to back up such a
pre-made conclusion.

Too bad it's all a house built of playing cards. It can all go *poof* just
by someone breathing on it.

Where's your evidence to back up such a claim?

MS has no say in what is, or isn't present in the OGL page of the video
properties. It's not for them to decide such things, and hence they don't.
So there.

Just like your head, perhaps?

That could have been a creative insult, except for the fact I use telephaty,
not antennas. Like I said, *poof*.

There are examples of software written that runs poorly on one product or
another, but as ANYONE with half a brain could tell you, that does not make
a soon three year old piece of hardware from a bankrupt company level with
the best of today. It's a SOFTWARE issue, not a hardware one.

You're going to play Nascar for the rest of your life? By all means, go
right ahead, keep your V5 forever and never switch to anything newer and
better. The rest of us probably don't have such limited vision...

You are so scary, man.

...No. Not really. Pathetic is more like it. I envision you much like an
irate armchair quarterback sitting in front of the TV, screaming with glee
at the sight of George Dubya firing $2 million missiles at $10 empty tents
and hitting a camel in the butt, while the voice commentator delivers
patriotic statement of how great America is.

Anyway, when will those US (ex) military/CIA officers, presidents etc be
arrested and prosecuted?

 Bye!
/HB.

Jv

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by Jv » Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:55:10


So what you are saying here is that Nascar with 2x FSAA does
look better on the GF3 than 800x600 with no AA on a V5?

chris

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by chris » Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:10:45



>>Screenshots look comparable, maybe even leaning towards the GF3, but
>>there's no comparison in terms of the quality of animation.

>Since it is supposedly such an obvious difference, put your money
>where your mouth is and lets see some screenshots.

Reading comprehension problems?
John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:12:06

  Lol, no kidding.

-John




> >>Screenshots look comparable, maybe even leaning towards the GF3, but
> >>there's no comparison in terms of the quality of animation.

> >Since it is supposedly such an obvious difference, put your money
> >where your mouth is and lets see some screenshots.

> Reading comprehension problems?

ZOD

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by ZOD » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:57:19

but

Well...keep telling yourself that. Some people say a V2 plays Wolf ok but
that is just opinion....hehe..and not very realistic.
The market already knows where the power is and all you have to do is sit
behind a GF3 to see how superior it is in comparison to any Voodoo card.

ZOD

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by ZOD » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:28:09

..oh and you forgot: "Yes...you can keep the V5!"
Lol......

Jv

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by Jv » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:21:22


>>>Screenshots look comparable, maybe even leaning towards the GF3, but
>>>there's no comparison in terms of the quality of animation.

>>Since it is supposedly such an obvious difference, put your money
>>where your mouth is and lets see some screenshots.

>Reading comprehension problems?

No, too early in the morning. ;)

But anyhow, the quality of animation being better on a V5 is just as ludicrous
as the previous statement he made. It shows a total lack of disregard for 3D
modeling and animation basics.

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:39:49

  Oh, I don't know; several times in the article(which is a good one IMO),
he states the GeForce does X item better, several times he states the VooDoo
does another item better.  There's both compliments and criticisms of both
cards.

  Point of the article for me was to get the card based on your ***
needs, as each card has strengths and weaknesses based on those needs, not
that one card was overall better or not than the other.

  The quality of animation on a V5 is better in the cases cited.......it's
never said it's always better, in fact, it's stated that the GeForce card is
better in other cases.

  Anyway, that was my take on it :)

-John

Pierre PAPA DOC Legra

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by Pierre PAPA DOC Legra » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:05:41

hehe

Nope Im saying exactly what I said....should I use shorter sentences
or words for you? Try and keep up.

PAPA DOC

Will DeRiver

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by Will DeRiver » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:07:42

Hey,

Watch out, or Pierre will flame you on your reading comprehension skills.
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Pierre PAPA DOC Legra

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by Pierre PAPA DOC Legra » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:08:11

Using the same resolution with the same graphical options the V5 will
indeed look better at x2 FSAA or x4 FSAA.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legra

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by Pierre PAPA DOC Legra » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:11:51

hehe

So happy you noticed..are you cruising to get picked up or
something...?

PAPA DOC

Will DeRiver

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by Will DeRiver » Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:24:18

Hey,

Only things that strike me as a bit odd...

If you say our choices mean little to you, why the need to jump into the
flamefest?

The other thing, if, according to the first paragraph in your review, you
don't want it to degenerate into a flamefest, again i ask, why the need to
jump into it with everyone?

Other than that, for the target audience, it was a decent review.
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