BB
Cheers!
John
> -The Dude?
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BB
And speaking of F1...about Eddie Irvine...If he were really a champion
caliber driver, he wouldn't need his big brother holding up the other
drivers and slowing down on the track so that he could win. Just my
thoughts. But they really don't matter do they?
J Black
> Just the opinion of a once-dedicated F1 fan.
> > Ferrari will meet with the FIA in Geneva tomorrow -- Hakkinen's
> > championship status is neither confirmed or otherwise until Ferrari's
> > appeal has been heard. The barge boards in question are exactly the same
> > ones used (and checked by FIA Tech) at the last race (Nrburgring for
> > the Luxembourg GP). I think Bernie better watch which way he steps on
> > this one -- the EU is already less than thrilled with his manipulation.
> > BB
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> I hate to say this, I really do, but if the disqualification is upheld
> following the Ferrari appeal, I hope that they withdraw from F1.
> This is not an opinion that I arrive at lightly....not after following
> Grands Prix for almost as long as Murray Walker. But by turning their backs
> on F1 Ferrari, in my opinion, could have the greatest effect on the "sport"
> since that egotistical meglomaniac took control.
> Just the opinion of a once-dedicated F1 fan.
I couldn't agree more. This "Championship" has been engineered from the
beginning of the season by that ageing Machiavelli-in-Guccis and his
tousle-haired Son-Of-Oswald crony. If Enzo were alive today, Ecclestone
would be soaking his Armani slacks at this moment -- no, let me take
that back: if Enzo were alive today, this shit wouldn't happen, because
he WOULD pull the team, and FIAT would back him all the way. 20 years
between Championships is -- correct me if I'm wrong -- a record for
Ferrari, and there's no doubt whatsoever that under Ecclestone's
self-imposed reign (since he finally ousted that doddering fossil
Jean-Marie Balestre), British teams have enjoyed a singularly benevolent
shake from FIA, FISA, FOCA, FOA, and every other increasingly grotesque
manifestation of "Bernie Ecclestone LLC." And I hope this finally spurs
the EU to put some teeth in their investigations. This is a black day
for F1 fans. If this isn't overturned, I hope the twin megalomaniacs
Tony George and Bernard Ecclestone meet for the 2000 USGP and are torn
apart by the mob of 150 or so that will turn up.
That's it for F1 -- GPL is more than a memory of great cars, drivers,
and tracks -- it's also a reminder that there once was a sport called
Formula One...long since departed, alas.
BB
BB
As for Ferrari always getting the short end of the stick from the
organisers - it seems to me the machiavellian Ecclestone has manipulated in
their favour more than often than not. Refuelling was brought in when the
Ferrari V12 was the thirstiest engine in the field (the others had already
gone to V10s) and would benefit the most from not having to carry a whole
race's worth of benzine. After a couple years of pit fires, near disasters,
and lugging those bulky, dangerous, pressurized rigs around the world most
teams had had enough, but Ferrari's continuing veto has kept the ridiculous
practice alive. There are other examples...
But yeah, any championship is in trouble that gets decided like this. What
is so ambiguous about the technical rules that bodywork could be found legal
at two races (so Ferrari says...) and declared illegal by a third set of
inspectors? Maybe if Bernie and his pet poodle Mosley took a break from
screwing up the TV coverage in order to force us into pay-per view and
instead spent some time writing technical regulations that actually made
sense and produced cars that could race ("racing cars" - geddit?) instead of
the current ugly, skinny, grooved-tire monstrosities, the on track
activities could actually decide the championship.
Until then I'll go back to GPL - and return to a time when F1 was a sport,
the drivers were human beings, and the races were won on the track.
Daniel
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> > I hate to say this, I really do, but if the disqualification is upheld
> > following the Ferrari appeal, I hope that they withdraw from F1.
> > This is not an opinion that I arrive at lightly....not after following
> > Grands Prix for almost as long as Murray Walker. But by turning their
backs
> > on F1 Ferrari, in my opinion, could have the greatest effect on the
"sport"
> > since that egotistical meglomaniac took control.
> > Just the opinion of a once-dedicated F1 fan.
watching a replay of an online GPL race about two months ago... :)
I don't know how F1 does their pre-race tech inspection, but it would
seem that something in plain view would have been caught. After the race
scrutinering may be correct by the rules, but it leaves a bad taste in
the mouth of the fans.
The FIA court doesn't meet till Friday, and then it might be a few days
till they rule. I hope they reinstate Ferrari's win, because it will
make for a great race at Suzuka!!
> >Ferrari will meet with the FIA in Geneva tomorrow -- Hakkinen's
> >championship status is neither confirmed or otherwise until Ferrari's
> >appeal has been heard. The barge boards in question are exactly the
same
> >ones used (and checked by FIA Tech) at the last race (Nrburgring for
> >the Luxembourg GP). I think Bernie better watch which way he steps on
> >this one -- the EU is already less than thrilled with his
manipulation.
> Excuse me? The boarda re either _legal_ or _illegal_, yes? I watched
> Ross Brawn on TV telling everyone that they were illegal, why and by
> how much - seems fairly clear cut. Saying that they were used in
> Nurburgring and Luxembourg adds only that the Ferrari was illegal at
> those tracks as well as Sepang, it doesn't make the car legal.
> Cheers!
> John
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Before you buy.
Good thing. We go after the type of listener who has an IQ above their shoe
size.
You'd be surprised... Either way, no matter if they were used last race or
not, or if they give an advantage, if the rules say not to use them, than you
don't. Thank the merciful gods that Ferrari hasn't yet won the championship.
I haven't respected a Ferrari driver since GV in '82.
-The Dude?
Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91.
Chris
I am in the camp of many that believe Ron Dennis knew about this since
Nurburgring (or before), and simply chose to wait for the most
beneficial time for McLaren to snitch to the FIA about it. I'm not a
*** type of guy... but when the shoe fits, it's pretty obvious
(to me).
I also believe the FIA circus scrutinizers have an implicit obligation
to share with any team the results of FIA scrutinization of that teams
car. I find it reprehensible the FIA needed McLaren to point out the
problem for them :( (if indeed that is the case, which I believe it
is).
I also believe Dennis' feigned sad feelings at the result of the DQ are
a sham for PR purposes only. That's just my opinion. I think the guy
is a 2-bit fish.
Rules are rules. If Ferrari is DQ'd, I find the circumstances rather
despicable, but facts are facts and rules are rules and must be
followed. It will be a sad, sad day in my world if the DQ stands up,
which I believe it will :( Such is life.
Anyway you look at it, though, I think this whole is bad for F1 on the
whole. How the FIA scrutinized the Scuderia over two race events and
never once checked the barge boards is unforgiveable IMO.
Bottom line, though, it was Ferrari's responsibility to adhere to the
rules, and they failed to do so. If the DQ is upheld, Todt has nobody
to blame but himself, regardless of how rediculously harsh the penalty
is, IMO.
Interesting weekend to be sure :( Schumacher was brilliant beyond
words... how people continue to disrespect this guy is beyond me. He's
obnoxious and arrogant to be sure... to the extreme... but he is
obviously THE BEST pilot on the planet right now. How he covers the
McLarens by nearly 1 full second in qualifying is beyond me... Mika and
David must feel like morons, driving the best car on the planet but a
full second adrift of the master. How long has it been since a non-
winner of a race so completely dominated the entire race in every way?
Hammer
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Before you buy.
You are getting yourself all carried away here. Policies and rules
exist and should be implemented with the same objectivity for a Ferrari
as for a Minardi. If a team have broken the rules then they should take
the pain for it.
Yes it would be a huge blow for F1 if Ferrari are disqualified, but that
has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You are confusing the two
issues.
Mart
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Mart Hugh Rogers
Um, i hate to point this out, but when you design and engine cars to 1000th's
of a mm accuracy, 10mm out is a *** of a long way to happen on "accident" or
without malace. They deserve the disqualification.
Z.
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