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OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

Zonk

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Zonk » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


>I hate to say this, I really do, but if the disqualification is upheld
>following the Ferrari appeal, I hope that they withdraw from F1.
>This is not an opinion that I arrive at lightly....not after following
>Grands Prix for almost as long as Murray Walker.  But by turning their backs
>on F1 Ferrari, in my opinion, could have the greatest effect on the "sport"
>since that egotistical meglomaniac took control.

>Just the opinion of a once-dedicated F1 fan.

That would be the temper tantrum that i would expect of Ferrari. In which
case, F1 is better off without them.

Z.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

Richard G Cleg

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Richard G Cleg » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

: On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:37:26 -0500, Barton Spencer Brown

:>Ferrari will meet with the FIA in Geneva tomorrow -- Hakkinen's
:>championship status is neither confirmed or otherwise until Ferrari's
:>appeal has been heard. The barge boards in question are exactly the same
:>ones used (and checked by FIA Tech) at the last race (Nurburgring for
:>the Luxembourg GP). I think Bernie better watch which way he steps on
:>this one -- the EU is already less than thrilled with his manipulation.

: Excuse me? The boarda re either _legal_ or _illegal_, yes? I watched
: Ross Brawn on TV telling everyone that they were illegal, why and by
: how much - seems fairly clear cut. Saying that they were used in
: Nurburgring and Luxembourg adds only that the Ferrari was illegal at
: those tracks as well as Sepang, it doesn't make the car legal.

  Nurburgring was the Luxembourg GP - and yes, Brawn was saying that
the car was also illegal at that race.  (Which is not wholly relevant
since it scored no points there).

--
Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
    Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
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Richard G Cleg

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Richard G Cleg » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

: Here's a question for the F1 fans out there. When was the
: last time that watching an F1 race made your heart beat
: REALLY fast?

  Luxembourg GP this year.

--
Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
    Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
      Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
    www:  http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

David Er

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by David Er » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

They are the seperate body panels located , one on each side, behind the
front wheel and just in front of the radiator inlet. Their purpose is to
smooth the turbulent airflow coming off the front wheel and rediirect it out
to the side of the side pod. They also protect the radiators from debris
thrown up by the front wheel. Think they are called barge boards becuase of
their very slight resemblance to the side mounted leeboards on a sailing
barge.

David


The Du

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by The Du » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I never like Prost after his "incidents" with Senna, and Nigel always seemed to

-The Dude?
Check out The Dude's radio show on 90.9 FM Indianapolis, B91.

Barton Spencer Brow

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> All I can say is that if the FIA decides to become biased toward one group

(Ferrari), they are making a big mistake.  Just because it is a big name...

As opposed to to that miniscule underdog DaimlerChrysler/Mercedes Benz,
I guess...

;^)

BB

Barton Spencer Brow

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> I haven't respected a Ferrari driver since GV in '82.

THAT would explain the general air of depression and despondency in
Maranello since that time. I understand Luca deMontezemolo and Piero
Lardi Ferrari never start their day without first tuning in to your
globally-syndicated show to take the pulse of the Indianapolis "man in
the street"

Fooled any yet?

Barton Spencer Brow

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> So you didn't have respect for Alain Prost or Nigel Mansell, or.. ?

Apparently their IQ's didn't fit the profile of The Dupe?'s
highly-selective demographics...

BB

Bruce Kennewel

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

So if you see one in the street, you run them off the road?


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Bruce Kennewel

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I tried to check it out from Oz with my little short-wave radio but the
atmospherics were playing up and the best I could get was Radio Caracas.  I
believe it's just as good.



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Bruce Kennewel

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

I beg your pardon, and please excuse my apoplectic fit, but it's about time
that the FIA, and their cronies, *REMOVED* the negative bias that they have
directed towards Ferrari over the past 30 years.

As for your mistaken assertion regarding one member of Ferrari being a
mobile chicane in order to allow the other an easier run, I seem to recall
the situation being reveresd, where Irvine assisted Schumacher in at least
one race. I also recalll Coulthard attempting to try it this year as well.

You are overlooking the fact that Messrs Moseley and Ecclestone, Denis and
Hakkinen cannot have their cake and eat it too.  Formula Once (deliberate
spelling) is a team sport.....there must be two cars and the teams vie for a
Manufacturers Championship each season.  Therefore team tactics are
perfectly acceptable.  (In earlier days it was not uncommon for a
second/third string driver to be called into the pits so that his car could
be used by the team member with the most points or in the best position to
win the race.)

My disappointment, Mr. Black, stems from the complete lack of sportsmanship
that now epitomises F1.  This latest example, where a protest is lodged over
10mm of carbon fibre when the protesting team were soundly and convincingly
beaten by the better team tactics on the day, is simply one occasion in a
whole string of them. Ten millimetres of carbon fibre did not beat McLaren.
Ferrari could have removed the barge-boards and still Coulthard and Hakkinen
would have still been up against it.

And don't sell yourself short....of course your thoughts matter. It's just
that in this instant I don't agree with them.

BK


> All I can say is that if the FIA decides to become biased toward one group
> (Ferrari), they are making a big mistake.  Just because it is a big name
> doesn't mean that they can go easy on them.  Do you think if a smaller
team
> won and was found to have the same illegal specs, they should also be let
> go?

> And speaking of F1...about Eddie Irvine...If he were really a champion
> caliber driver, he wouldn't need his big brother holding up the other
> drivers and slowing down on the track so that he could win.  Just my
> thoughts.  But they really don't matter do they?

> J Black



> > I hate to say this, I really do, but if the disqualification is upheld
> > following the Ferrari appeal, I hope that they withdraw from F1.
> > This is not an opinion that I arrive at lightly....not after following
> > Grands Prix for almost as long as Murray Walker.  But by turning their
> backs
> > on F1 Ferrari, in my opinion, could have the greatest effect on the
> "sport"
> > since that egotistical meglomaniac took control.

> > Just the opinion of a once-dedicated F1 fan.



> > > Ferrari will meet with the FIA in Geneva tomorrow -- Hakkinen's
> > > championship status is neither confirmed or otherwise until Ferrari's
> > > appeal has been heard. The barge boards in question are exactly the
same
> > > ones used (and checked by FIA Tech) at the last race (Nrburgring for
> > > the Luxembourg GP). I think Bernie better watch which way he steps on
> > > this one -- the EU is already less than thrilled with his
manipulation.

> > > BB

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Barton Spencer Brow

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> I tried to check it out from Oz with my little short-wave radio but the
> atmospherics were playing up and the best I could get was Radio Caracas.  I
> believe it's just as good.

Better, since it comes from a civilized country with an understandable language...

;^)

BB

Barton Spencer Brow

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Barton Spencer Brow » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> Here's a question for the F1 fans out there. When was the
> last time that watching an F1 race made your heart beat
> REALLY fast?

In person? USGP 1974, James Hunt and the practically unsponsored Hesketh
308C storming to an incredible 3d-place, beating out Emerson
Fittipaldi's high-buck Player's-sponsored Lotus 72D; same race, the
independent John Watson gaining a nearly-as-impressive 5th place in the
Goldie-Hexagon (very low buck) Brabham BT44, beating elf-sponsored
Patrick Depailler's Tyrrell. Before that, Jody Scheckter's 1972 F1 debut
at Watkins Glen in 1972 in a McLaren M19A. He only finished 9th, but
while he ran, he was absolutely electrifying, just as wild as in his
F5000 days.
Goy Larse

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Goy Larse » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00


> My disappointment, Mr. Black, stems from the complete lack of sportsmanship
> that now epitomises F1.  This latest example, where a protest is lodged over
> 10mm of carbon fibre when the protesting team were soundly and convincingly
> beaten by the better team tactics on the day, is simply one occasion in a
> whole string of them. Ten millimetres of carbon fibre did not beat McLaren.
> Ferrari could have removed the barge-boards and still Coulthard and Hakkinen
> would have still been up against it.

Just for the record Bruce, according to Autosport, the "illegal"
bargeboards was discovered in a routine post race inspection and not
because of a protest lodged by any other team, although McLaren was
thinking about protesting the tyre wear on the Ferrari's, apparently
they had worn below the required minimum thread height, nice to have all
these rules that are so easy to police .......

--

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Bruce Kennewel

OT: Ferrari Disqualified!

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Formula One........a time when a privateer could compete on equal terms with
the manufacturers.  A time when laughter was more common in pit lane than
grumbles.  A time when a team in trouble and requiring a part would have it
loaned by a rival.  A time when the drivers socialised before and after the
races.  A time when losing a race was done so graciously.  A time when
winning was done with equal grace
.
Formula One.......a time when it was a sport in the purest sense of the
word.




> > I hate to say this, I really do, but if the disqualification is upheld
> > following the Ferrari appeal, I hope that they withdraw from F1.
> > This is not an opinion that I arrive at lightly....not after following
> > Grands Prix for almost as long as Murray Walker.  But by turning their
backs
> > on F1 Ferrari, in my opinion, could have the greatest effect on the
"sport"
> > since that egotistical meglomaniac took control.

> > Just the opinion of a once-dedicated F1 fan.

> Bruce--

> I couldn't agree more. This "Championship" has been engineered from the
> beginning of the season by that ageing Machiavelli-in-Guccis and his
> tousle-haired Son-Of-Oswald crony. If Enzo were alive today, Ecclestone
> would be soaking his Armani slacks at this moment -- no, let me take
> that back: if Enzo were alive today, this shit wouldn't happen, because
> he WOULD pull the team, and FIAT would back him all the way. 20 years
> between Championships is -- correct me if I'm wrong -- a record for
> Ferrari, and there's no doubt whatsoever that under Ecclestone's
> self-imposed reign (since he finally ousted that doddering fossil
> Jean-Marie Balestre), British teams have enjoyed a singularly benevolent
> shake from FIA, FISA, FOCA, FOA, and every other increasingly grotesque
> manifestation of "Bernie Ecclestone LLC." And I hope this finally spurs
> the EU to put some teeth in their investigations. This is a black day
> for F1 fans. If this isn't overturned, I hope the twin megalomaniacs
> Tony George and Bernard Ecclestone meet for the 2000 USGP and are torn
> apart by the mob of 150 or so that will turn up.

> That's it for F1 -- GPL is more than a memory of great cars, drivers,
> and tracks -- it's also a reminder that there once was a sport called
> Formula One...long since departed, alas.

> BB

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