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From: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

19/10/99 FIA deligate admits tip off

Jo Bauer, the FIA's technical delegate who inspected the Ferraris following
the race on Sunday, said today that "hints" had been made about Ferrari's
rules violation, which ultimately led to the disqualification of both
Ferrari drivers at the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Bauer told the German newspaper Abendzeitung that he had planned to inspect
the Ferrari cars earlier, but that the team had quickly covered them up and
parked them in their garage.

This latest development from Bauer suggests that Ferrari were aware of the
illegality of their barge boards. "But other sides were giving certain
hints," Bauer confirmed.

In the interview, Bauer made reference to gossip in the paddock relating to
Ferrari's body-work: "In Formula One, everyone inspects everyone else. They
don't directly talk to one another, but when you walk through the racing
camps, you hear comments. And you pick up on them later."

When asked why the Ferrari cars were not checked at the Nurburgring race,
Bauer said, "The cars are not selected specifically, but randomly." Many
newspapers have been speculating on the source of the tip-off, in their
latest issue to be release tomorrow, Germany's auto motor und sport magazine
said, "The tip-off came from the McLaren-Mercedes camp." Although guilty of
no offence, McLaren will not want to be seen as the team who killed the 1999
season.

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I'll agree with you there. We'll have to wait until friday to hear the FIA
Council's ruling, but I'm hoping that they uphold the DQ against Ferrari and
do not allow them the Constructor's points, but allow the drivers to retain
their points towards the DC.

don

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It seems to follow the diagrams I've seen of the track fairly well.  It's
looks to be a Micky Mouse little circuit better suited to karts or Formula
Fords.

don

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Question for new subthread:  _Precisely when did Ferrari move from being an
Institution, to a Souless Pit of Corruption?  Seriously?

DK

I said when cheating became more freqent....NOT when it started.

Call me simple if you will, but I still get e***d when I see the red
lights ready to go out on the grid, or when Michael Schumacher puts in a
qualifying lap like he did Saturday at Sepang or seeing Ralf Schumacher
wrestle his car in the rain at Nurburgring or many other great moments in
"modern" F1.

While I admit F1 is much more soul-less than it was a in the "good ole days",
I still quite enjoy it apart from screw-ups like what happened this weekend.

I think even if you had this discussion in the 70's or even 60's there probably
would have been some people at that time who would have said "those" days
compared sadly to the great days of F1 in the 50's <G>.

Of course here in the States I'm just glad to be able to *see* F1 coverage
these days, I spent a good few years while in college unable to afford cable
TV and so my only F1 coverage came from USENET rec.autos.sports and FIDONET F1
discussion group. This probably makes me more happy with what we have today
than most.

And yes I do also wish Lotus was part of F1, soul-less corporate organization
or not.

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva

GPL Ferrari driver.
Powerslide Racing Team  - GMSS  League F1 division.
Rossi Razzi Racing Team - IGPLC League F2 division.

: Do not, I repeat, do NOT believe info provided by RTL television. ;)

Just once... once... I wish they would pull someone out of the audience
who knew how to drive F1RS.  It's painful to watch some moron in a Dekra
baseball cap sawing away at the wheel.  Last night's audience offering was
some myopic accountant who drove the first half of Suzuka in first gear,
then spun off into the gravel when the commentators suggested that the car
had 6 forward gears.  For those who don't know, RTL (German network) has a
show called Warm-Up where they get some experts (cough cough) together to
discuss the upcoming or preceding race, and one thing they do is show a
virtual lap of the race using a HyperSimulator and F1RS (or maybe MGPRS).
Marc Surer at least has managed to get the hang of sim racing enough to
come within 10 seconds of a good lap.

Speaking of Surer, I am reminded of a conversation I had with a German
poster on rasf1 when we were discussing alternatives to RTL, and I
suggested the Swiss network SF2 if he could get around the Swiss German.
His comment was that he had no problems understanding Marc Surer.  When I
finally tuned in RTL I had to laugh.  It may not seem like it, but Surer
is speaking high German on RTL.  If one tunes in the Swiss motor shows and
sees Surer, the difference is remarkable.  Sorry, waaaaaay off topic, but
maybe good for a smile from a select few on RAS.

Stephen

: If you'd bother to read more about it, every team in F1 on record about
: the issue states it's NO ADVANTAGE.

: Are you ignorant?  Or just uninformed?

Or (c) possesses a better command of sarcasm than you do... :)

Stephen

That's partly why I was sympathetic to Simtek.  I liked the gangly
engineer who headed it.  what was his name now... Wirth?  I forget.
Anyway, he seemed like a good "idea" man without the cash to do the things
he really wanted to do.

Stephen

:>Lotus & Ferrari are nothing but souless corporates both
:>
:>without Mr C & mr E.

: I was a big Lotus fan, but remember how quickly they went down hill with out
: Colin?  He was the "idea" man, the rest of the engineers just implemented
: his concepts.  His personality (and Enzo's) defined those teams.  Today, I
: agree, it's all corporate.  The technology is better, but the personality is
: gone.

Formula One.......a time when the pursuit of speed was all that mattered. A
time when the technology ignited the spirit of only the bravest and most
skilled pilots. A time when the daring of one man/machine combination fueled
his rivals to "one up" the performance - on a weekly basis. A time when the
whole sport spiraled upwards into the ultimate road racing series, even
beyond what we imagined it could be. A time when NASA hung around for
"tips".

Formula One.......a time when it was about speed in the purest sense of the
word.

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

Unless that barge board was what did it. Yep, talked myself out of agreeing
with you... that board was responsible for every bit of technique that we
saw ooze from the Shoe's car. He was just a passenger.

:-)

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

That members of a generation do this isn't under dispute, whether or not
I will is a different matter. My father is very much realist about the
past and I don't see me changing so much that I become different to the
way I am now.

So to summarise Mr Kennewell (I'm trying to be as patronising as you
here, does it work?): Just because you're incapable of looking back with
any kind of realism don't assume the rest of us are the same.

Regards

M

Unless that barge board was what did it. Yep, talked myself out of agreeing
with you... that board was responsible for every bit of technique that we
saw ooze from the Shoe's car. He was just a passenger.

:-)

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

Of the (what is it....eleven? Twelve?) teams running in Grands Prix in 1999,
only one of them was entering events when Formula One commenced....over 40
years ago.

BK

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