they make the track inside the circle it will make Monaco look like Spa,
comparitively.
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"If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy
skin"
> > Barton
> > Sorry - I didn't mean to excoriate you - that sounds painful by the way,
I
> > suppose I should look it up in the dictionary to find out what it
means....
> Akin to debrading, I think...
> > I will do my best to keep my facts in order in future - can you help me
by
> > telling me which of my facts was incorrect please?
> None of your facts were incorrect, they just weren't germane to the
> question at hand. More a solecism than canard, if you catch my meaning...
> BB
> > --
> > Mark Jeangerard
> If you'd bother to read more about it, every team in F1 on record about
> the issue states it's NO ADVANTAGE.
> Are you ignorant? Or just uninformed?
> Hammer2k
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> Before you buy.
> F1 certainly has its problems, I don't think anybody would deny that.
Surely
> all main sports are suffering from too much commercialisation etc? I also
> think that this season has been relatively good for F1, at least better
than
> the last couple of years. I know there has been the usual politics but a
lot
> of people think this adds to the sport. Judging by the length of this
thread
> (which I am enjoying BTW) people still like to argue about every aspect of
> F1.
> Lawrence
> > (snip)
> > It's a _very_ unsatisfactory way to end the race and the season, but
> > I'd have no respect for F1 if they failed to DQ Ferrari.
> > (unsnip)
> > I've had no respect for F1 for years, John, so a failure to disqualify
> would
> > mean little.
> > > On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:49:27 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
> > > >I beg your pardon, and please excuse my apoplectic fit, but it's
about
> > time
> > > >that the FIA, and their cronies, *REMOVED* the negative bias that
they
> > have
> > > >directed towards Ferrari over the past 30 years.
> > > I'd love to hear examples of that - if anything the FIA have bent over
> > > backwards to keep Ferrari happy. Remember the "Draconian penalties"
> > > for anyone caught infringing the rules? Oh, except Ferrari....
> > > >As for your mistaken assertion regarding one member of Ferrari being
a
> > > >mobile chicane in order to allow the other an easier run, I seem to
> > recall
> > > >the situation being reveresd, where Irvine assisted Schumacher in at
> > least
> > > >one race. I also recalll Coulthard attempting to try it this year as
> > well.
> > > Coulthard has been racing Hakkinen all year - no way would he be
> > > holding up a Ferrari while Mika got away as Mika would be getting away
> > > rom him as well.
> > > >You are overlooking the fact that Messrs Moseley and Ecclestone,
Denis
> > and
> > > >Hakkinen cannot have their cake and eat it too. Formula Once
> (deliberate
> > > >spelling) is a team sport.....there must be two cars and the teams
vie
> > for a
> > > >Manufacturers Championship each season. Therefore team tactics are
> > > >perfectly acceptable.
> > > I like the team tactics aspect, but it can be taken too far - cycle
> > > racing and rugby union a faw years back being examples of where team
> > > tactics designed to win detract from the reason the sport existed in
> > > the first place, to entertain. FWIW I don't subscribe to the Ron
> > > Dennis view that Sepang was too much - I thought Schumacher drove
> > > superbly and if DC can pass Mika should be able to also. In fact my
> > > wife, who normally hates F1, was enthralled by the whole race - EI
> > > worried by DC who has nothing to lose, MH similarly worried by MS. DC
> > > passes MS wildly, chasing EI to pressure him into an error, or lunge a
> > > pass (which EI must concede to) then slow EI to bring him into range
> > > of the MS/MH battle - ripping stuff :-)
> > > >My disappointment, Mr. Black, stems from the complete lack of
> > sportsmanship
> > > >that now epitomises F1. This latest example, where a protest is
lodged
> > over
> > > >10mm of carbon fibre when the protesting team were soundly and
> > convincingly
> > > >beaten by the better team tactics on the day, is simply one occasion
in
> a
> > > >whole string of them.
> > > That is not true - the illegality of the car was discovered by the
> > > stewards without neither the intervention nor protest from McLaren.
> > > >Ten millimetres of carbon fibre did not beat McLaren.
> > > >Ferrari could have removed the barge-boards and still Coulthard and
> > Hakkinen
> > > >would have still been up against it.
> > > Probably, but we don't know that. Illegal is illegal, that's why the
> > > rules exist. Suppose that an aero improvement brings big benefits, the
> > > more area the better - how much over the regulations are you allowed -
> > > 1mm? 5mm? 10mm? The answer is 0mm, that's why the rules exist. With a
> > > budget of $100m+ if Ferrari can't find an irregularity on a car they
> > > designed but which a steward spotted in a post-race check, they can
> > > hardly point the finger at anyone.
> > > It's a _very_ unsatisfactory way to end the race and the season, but
> > > I'd have no respect for F1 if they failed to DQ Ferrari.
> > > Cheers!
> > > John
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Nowadays, we all (every one on this planet) still do rely on each other but
there is so much separation, the accepted attitude becoming more selfish all
the time, we are hard pressed to notice our connections. I live far away now
and the old neighborhood is all bars and bolts. Everyone suspects each other
of wrong doing, they're mostly right. They don't even know each others
names.
I figure at the end of this epoch we will have had enough and attitudes will
start to swing back to the way it was when I grew up. When a fight in school
meant fists only, one on one (strictly enforced by the community), and guns
and knives were for camping. Then, after enough of that we will grow
complacent and the punks will take advantage again and around and around we
go. I don't think the human mind is allowed to evolve. Some sorta chemical
thing or something.
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> Bruce is obviously paying too much attention to either books or his memory
> and not enough to the facts.
> M
> >hehhe. This is utter tripe. Cheating existed and was prevalanet even befo
re
> >the commercial days of F1. IO suggest you re-read an article on last
years
> >Motor Sport...(looking for Vol no later....)
> >You can romantacise all you like bruce, but stick to the facts in hand...
> >Z.
Traditions? I thought I saw those on sale at Dillards.
:-)
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> Toodles.
> BK
> > For some - I could live without them, they're simply another team.
> > They were certainly an institution once, but that reputation has long
> > since faded. It is kept alive in the dreams of the Tifosi, but that is
> > all.
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>BK
Not me.
Z.
Please remove my_pants when replying.
Oops... I was a little quick on the trigger there :) Sorry.
Cheers.
Hammer2k
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Before you buy.
Guilty as charged. I'm the village idiot today I guess.
I kind of fail to see the humor, but oh well...
Hammer
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Before you buy.
> Exfolliants? Canards? Soltices? Germans?
> Just what in Heavens name is going on at your house, Bart???!!!!!
BB
> A statistic (of limited interest, I would imagine):
Well, McLaren has been around for a number of years now, and the other
half of the partnership was in GP racing before Ferrari, so they are not
without pedigree...
But BAR (I'm really glad they changed the name from Tyrrel), Benetton,
Stewart (although JYS brings a lot of history, but once he is gone....),
Minardi, Williams, Arrows, Prost (another good name change), Sauber and
Jordan (my fav among the current teams :-) means little or nothing in
this respect
F1 is just as much about the myth and the history it brings, as the
actual spectacle itself, heck, if a spectacle was all it took, we could
all be watching the IRL or something, F1 is supposed to be something
really special, something that no other series can match, and these days
that has to be tied in with it's history in some way, at least for me
Cart has better racing, they actually overtake several times during a
race, and sometimes with technically indentical cars as well so they
have to do something right over there, Touring cars has more action,
Nascar has.......something I guess :-), you get the point, without
history and technology, what do we have left in F1, a bunch of cars that
look like F3000 or something, yes I love F1, but I could have loved it
more.....
(see Bart, just under one full screen of text in 1024x768 on a 17"
monitor :-)
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> >Now let's be fair and honest, Mr. Z.
> >ALL.....repeat, ALL the teams that are entered in F1 today are either
> >soulless corporations in their own right or are backed by same.
> >BK
> I've never implied otherwise. Some insist on romantising Fiat and (who own's
> Lotus these days?) as some kind of romantic notion....
The IRL ?
Guess not......
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