rec.autos.simulators

How do you know this? Are you god, by chance?

Again, you're combining multiple series.

Everyone in this country thinks the same thing about all motorsport. If you
believe otherwise, you're an idiot. I had a friend once tell me that I should
watch F1, because, and I quote, "The crashes are better."

Of course it needs changes. I believe that. The drivers believe that. But F1 is
not bulletproof either. That, and you show a disdain for Earnhardt that screams
"troll". After all, where were you when Irwin or Roper died?

Who do you talk to? If I ask cello players if speed metal is "good" music, what
are the chances I'll get the answer of "yes"?

Surprise surprise! Philadelphia DOES NOT represent all of America's interests!

Again, because of your market.

Dunno. WFAN In NYC, the most listened to of all sports stations in the country,
discusses NASCAR. Maybe you aren't meeting all the interests of those
listening.

I believe there's a word for that. Its called "bias".

The general public doesn't know truth from hype. That's why they all still
think Mike Tyson is the best boxer in the world. The fact that its people like
you telling them what to believe doesn't help.

And when will you learn that the US has citizens outside the boundaries of
Eastern PA?

The SI almanac lists NASCAR under the general heading of Motorsports, along
with F1, CART, IRL, etc.

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

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Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
ICQ# 4395450

 >Great minds think alike.

I even stated when I started this thread that I had not replied to any of
the threads at this newsgroup (or anywhere else actually) concerning the
death of Earnhardt.

David G Fisher

 The debate was taking place over there too and its a public newsgroup.

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Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
ICQ# 4395450

[snip]

Hey, what kind of bike did you have? What series did you race in?

Tim

Its no use.. he can't see the immense flaw in his illogical rationale.

He likes to claim bigotry in the argument with me not being an F1 fan, yet
he is the biggest one against NASCAR as an "inferior" type of racing that
should be outlawed.
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Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
ICQ# 4395450

You are right, I was secretly starting a top secret *** against you
David.  Shame on me.  I took a public newsgroup post from the sim racing
community and posted it on a public newsgroup with the sim racing community
in which many visit both.

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Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
ICQ# 4395450

Besides, the safety in top fuel and funny car is pretty amazing.

They are all dangerous but to say one is more dangerous by a miles per
death record is not logical.

If that is the case then fishing is the most dangerous sport. It doesn't
seem like a dangerous sport but more people are killed or injured doing
it per year then any other.

First, you're accounting for only 40 drivers (there's 43, but you may be doing
the Winston and other specialty races too). Secondly, Dale Earnhardt is only
the second Winston Cup series driver to die in that time period. F1, as has
already been noted, had two in a weekend.

Realistically, for each single season on NASCAR brand racing, you can count for
TWELVE times the number of driver starts than in F1 (Craftsmen truck and Busch
Series added in, of course).

-
 Alan

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

"Scott, are you sure you aren't going a little overboard with your comments?
You sound like a fanatic of some kind..."

"Unfortunately in a lesser sense most of what he says is true. Safety of the
drivers in my opinion is the most important thing. There is not need for the
amount of casualties associated with stock car racing. That should be
NASCARs focus right now, and it should have been before this."

"Ill 2nd that."

"I agree.  While he went a little overboard with his critique of NASCAR, the
gist of his message is correct IMHO, and greater focus should be placed on
driver safety.  The problem I have is the comparison between NASCAR and F1.
It's like apples and oranges.  F1 races are considerably shorter (in length
and time), there are fewer races in a season, and the *average* speed of F1
cars are lower than those of NASCAR.  In addition, the   Those reasons
alone, the chances of fatal accidents at F1 races are lower.  Throw in the
safety precautions F1 has taken does reduce this even more.

However, while he does mention that no F1 drivers have died since 1994, he
doesn't mention that a track worker died last year.  Whether it be a driver,
a fan or a track worker, the safety factor should extend in all
directions..."

Well as it was, Dale's accident was a 3 car accident, but you are
right.  I really feel 30 car packs is not good for the drivers.  Me
being a fan, I dont get off on 30 car packs like other people do.  I
would love a 2 car race just the same.

'But despite you point, most of which, I think, are valid to certain
degrees.  The fact of the matter is that the open wheeled world is the
trailblazer here in terms of safety.  Only 3 drivers have died in the
past 20 years in F1.  Let us not forget, that while these guys are in
their little cocoon, their heads are still exposed.   The only thing
separating their head from the outside world is a helmet and  the
engine cowling\rollbar behind their head.  Their (f1, CART) average
speeds isnt as great as some of NASCAR's races, but their top speeds
are far in excess of what NASCAR is doing these days.

Did you happen to see the interview Darrell gave talking about F1's
way of handling safety and NASCAR's way?  Apparently F1 has all sorts
of committees that just deals with safety issues, and they have each
track throughly inpected by these committees and track officials.
Also, the news report talked about how safety is handled by the NASCAR
tracks themselves, as opposed to F1 that sets these very high
standards universally and has their own roving contingent of emergency
medical personnel.  NASCAR seems to just leave these things up to the
tracks.

Apples and orange, yes...but i think there is a lesson or two for
NASCAR somewhere in there."

"No arguments here George.

F1 collects huge fees from the teams just so they can race.  As I recall 10
million or more.  Lets say that is 15 mil to start each season with.  Fees
from merchandising, track royalties etc, and Bernie has a lot more money to
spend than I imagine (key word here, imagine) than Nascar does.  Nascar
prides itself on being stock car racing (dont get me started, I wish it was
stock car racing, or at least more stock then they are), basic 3400+ pound
cars and huge HP that are supposed to remind americans of the good old
muscle car days.  F1 and Cart pride themselves on technology, be it motor,
chassis, wings safety whatever they are about being cutting edge technology.
Nascar needs to learn that being cutting edge on safety issues will not
tarnish their reputation as a "run whatcha brung" stock car type series.

Money and image are the primary factors here.  The money can be found or
secured if Nascar wants it to do the research, what Nascar needs to
understand is that high tech will not ruin the perception of the sport.
Common templates, aero packages, restrictor plates, indistinct car models
etc have already done that."

"I agree.  We need to stop all this stuff and fix the problem.  Nothing will
change with tears, unless they stop."

David G Fisher

BD

   Well, I can understand that you may have trouble answering the
quantity of posts your trolling generated.

   But I thought you would have had time to engage some sort of
logical processes after your initial outburst.

   You *really* can't understand that running a 1.1million man-mile
season incurs far more risk and opportunities for mishap than a 70,000
man-mile season?!?  The concept that a single year of WC/BGN/CTS
racing is comparable (risk exposure) to over fif*** years of F1
action escapes you?  Simply amazing.

   The only thing your reply does is further demonstrate your personal
prejudices against a particular racing series and its fans and, in the
process, undermine any shards of logic that may have been buried in
your original tantrum.

   I always thought you enjoyed playing the role of RAS-iconoclast but
actually had something useful to offer to the newsgroup from time to
time.  I admit now, I was totally wrong.  You're just another troll,
plain and simple.

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

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Don Burnette