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NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

Don Burnett

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Don Burnett » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:22:04



a lot of bubble snipped

Umm,  lemme think - NOPE.

Go back to your eutopia with F1, since it is so perfect.

Don Burnette



> > Yeah, his concern for NASCAR to start looking at safety.  The one item
> that
> > > was lost in all your other total BS of a post.

> > --
> > Scott B. Husted
> > "PA-Scott"
> > ICQ# 4395450

Jeff Vince

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Jeff Vince » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:15:08



   Where's the part that says to shut down NASCAR?

   Where's the part that says NASCAR safety practices are grossly
inferior to practices in other series?

   Where's the part that says NASCAR fans are low-life, beer-swilling,
***-thirsty trailer trash?

   Are you on the same planet, David?

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Jeff Vince

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Jeff Vince » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:15:33

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:50:23 +0000, Gerry Aitken


>Right on the money Jeff. If those F1 drivers felt a little less safe,
>then that marshall would prolly be alive today.

>The safer you feel the more risks you take. Lets take the drivers out of
>the cars and do it all by remote. VROC Monza T1 anyone?

   And it isn't just us sim-weenies that believe that.  Great drivers
of the past like Stirling Moss have stated that the higher level of
safety in today's cars tends to lead to more aggressive driving and
more incidents since the consequences are rarely as dire as in the
past.  Sound like Senna, Schumacher, or maybe even Villenueve?  Or
Daytona or Talladega?

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Jeff Vince

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Jeff Vince » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:30:49

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:46:39 +0000, Gerry Aitken



>> I did not want you to apologize for criticizing Nascar. It deserves to be
>> scrutinized right now. What I was hoping you would apologize for is the
>> crass, rude, insensitive, prejudiced and ultimately sick way you went about
>> it. In your post you demeaned Nascar fans, you demeaned Nascar drivers
>> living and fallen, and you even managed to demean the early pioneers of all
>> forms of motorsport. In my opinion, you demeaned motorsports fans in
>> general.

>Indeed, I found his words regarding the early pioneers very upsetting
>and disrespectful. So for that reason I *sadly* have to place him in my
>kill file, he's the only one in it btw.

>Does anyone else feel that he went way too far?

   Is there anyone who *doesn't* think so?

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Graeme Nas

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Graeme Nas » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:27:24

So are you saying that in F1, there is zero potential of a fatal
accident?

--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Alan Conceic

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Alan Conceic » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:57:19

Its not in all types of auto racing? Well, I guess that explains Button adn the
recent aquisition of Sauber.... :)

Seriously though, to stoop to this level to defend your flamebait is truly
pathetic.

But its the truth. Do you honestly believe that NO F1 drivers will die again,
EVER?

And its not 4, its 2....Winston Cup is the only thing that should be compared
to F1, and you know it...again.

-
 Alan

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

Jan Loebzie

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Jan Loebzie » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:58:56

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:46:39 +0000, Gerry Aitken


>Indeed, I found his words regarding the early pioneers very upsetting
>and disrespectful. So for that reason I *sadly* have to place him in my
>kill file, he's the only one in it btw.

>Does anyone else feel that he went way too far?

Does anyone care who do you place into your killfile?

Bill Clinton?

Jan

Alan Conceic

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Alan Conceic » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:03:23

Actually, and I hate to agree, DW DID say something to this regard.

"In F1, they have a team of experts go in and say, 'We want a chicane herem
tire barriers there.' When we complain, they say 'Shut up and drive.' "

Still doesn't say anything about beer-swilling fans, shutting down the sport,
or calling the cars "ugly and antiquated".

-
 Alan

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

David G Fishe

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by David G Fishe » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:07:33

No.

David G Fisher


Alan Conceic

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Alan Conceic » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:12:25

<snip>

Again, F3000 and F1 combined do not equal NASCAR. I also doubt four people died
in it least year; no single racing series has had 4 deaths since possibly the
60s or 50s.

-
 Alan

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

Alan Conceic

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Alan Conceic » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:14:33

GREAT REPLY David! You made SO many valid points! ::rolls eyes::

-
 Alan

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

Alan Conceic

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Alan Conceic » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:08:17

So if F1 has 2 deaths in 9 months, its bad luck?  At this pace, that hole
you're digging will hit China in a week.

-
 Alan

                                           Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
                                            "The Last American Hero"
                                                            R.I.P.

Don Chapma

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Don Chapma » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:35:48

That hour and a half was spent reading through all the threads to your
original post and trying to make sense of all the responses. There had been
so much activity there since I first started writing, I wanted to make sure
I did not miss something important. I found some mistakes in my 2:15 reply
and also re-organized and re-worded it. I realized it would be buried where
it was and that you were no longer responding to the threads of that
original post. I arrogantly thought it was worth posting on its own. I
apologize for that.

As for why I was awake in the middle of the night; I have had spinal
arthritis for the last 15 years and am unable to sleep for more than 2-3
hours at a time. This makes for bad sleeping habits, but it does allow for
more sim racing. :)

To be honest, I do not know why I spent so much time responding. I think
originally I stated it was because I had appreciated your contributions to
this newsgroup before, and I just wanted to figure out your reasons behind
such a mean spirited post. Sadly, none of this seemed to help, and a search
of dejanews proved that I think I was wrong about your past contributions to
r.a.s to begin with. You neglected to answer to most of the contradictions
to your reasoning that I pointed out. I think I answered every question you
posed back to me, and even agreed with you that there are some serious
problems that Nascar needs to address. But as I pointed out multiple times
to you, that is not what I was disputing or had a problem with. I had a
problem with the poor way you went about it and the flawed reasoning and
facts that you presented. When I presented you with questions regarding
actual facts(like the fact that no F1 driver has ever raced with a HANS
device to this day), you neglected to even respond. I was hoping for at
least some intelligent debate. I will agree with you that it was a complete
waste of my time to have ever responded to your posts in the first place.



> According to my newsreader, you posted a reply to me in my thread at 2:15
> a.m., and then waited a whopping hour and a half until 3:45 a.m. to start
> this new thread. Most people do tend to sleep in the middle of the night,
> although I am probably an elitist for thinking this way, and my facts are
> all wrong.

> BTW, I didn't create any mess. When I read something that I honestly feel
is
> ridiculous (as you and some others claimed my post was), I don't waste my
> time responding. Why do you?

> David G Fisher



> > Since David is no longer responding to the mess he created , and I spent
> so
> > much time on this final follow up, I hope you all will forgive the fact
> that
> > I have continued this topic by creating a new thread and essentially
> posting
> > twice. If I offend I apologize, but this guy really hit a nerve.

Joe6

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Joe6 » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:08:44


>Even that does not knock him from his groove,
>though.

Good post. I feel bad for David, actually. He used to be such a
reasonable poster. But ever since he got the "GPL isn't the end all
and be all" bee in his bonnet he's become increasingly combative and
stubborn around here. Maybe when you're that freaking wrong for so
long (if we're facing facts for the moment, GPL IS still the best
racing simulation) it colors your opinions about the whole genre.

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

Jan Loebzie

NASCAR Should Be Shut Down

by Jan Loebzie » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:51:01



> ::rolls eyes::

Why do AOL users make it so hard *not* to develop prejudices? ;-)

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