Considering that they're such awful drivers, how come they all don't perish in
wrecks at Sears Point, Portland, or Wakins Glen?
And I'm truly sure they don't use the brakes at Martinsville or Pocono. Yet
another compelling argument....
-
Alan
Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.
So why did Earnhardt's team place so well at the 24 Hours of Daytona? Or are
all the drivers in that event crappy too?
Last I checked, comparing the two if kinda difficult, considering that one
drives stocks whilst the other drives open-wheel.
I'm sure Michael feels blessed to be in your company.
-wonders why no one has made the Jean Alesi "anyone can drive these cars now,
they're too controlled" argument yet-
Alan
Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.
David G Fisher
> > No, it's not. Fisher implied that there had been no deaths in F1
> > since since '94. That's not true. Simple as that.
For the ump***th time, there have been four driver deaths in NASCAR in the
past nine months. No driver deaths in F1 since 1994. It's a badly run sport
because these deaths could have been prevented ( the HANS device certainly
would helped).
How can you discount the past nine months? F1 evolved after the death of
Senna (no deaths since), if it hadn't and drivers continued to die due to
poor management, then I'd criticize it the same way I've criticized NASCAR.
NASCAR does not evolve. It just continues to deny that anything can be done
to make it safer. The past nine months prove that. It's a badly run sport if
for no other reason then their continued failure to make a device such as
the HANS mandatory.
I used to race a motocross bike. 100mph on unfamiliar terrain, with trees 10
feet to either side of me. No rollcage. I guess my skin was my rollcage.
Launched myself high in the air, etc. People used to tell me how brave I was
to do that. I told them there was no bravery involved at all. I was simply
having foolish fun. Bravery is forcing yourself to do something for the
greater good, even when you're afraid to do so. I wanted to ride the cycle.
Race car drivers want to race. They aren't forced to. I realized what I was
doing was foolish because IMO, all a person is doing when they die while
"playing" is avoiding a lifetime of responsibilities, and giving up the
opportunity to counter all the bad there is in this world with their own
good.
<snip long list>
The point is, there have been none since 1994. F1 changed. NASCAR hasn't and
won't. More drivers will die soon. Bet on it. Could a F1 driver die soon
too? Absolutely. I doubt though that four will die in the space of nine
months, and still no significant changes will be made.
That's funny. A NASCAR fan is on Jeopardy right now, and the comment she
made was, "We don't all go to see the crashes." That she even felt compelled
to say that.......
So I'm wrong for saying NASCAR is poorly run motor sport for not making
changes in the past, but then you say it needs to get it's act together and
make changes now?
I have news for you Don, most sensible people outside of the NASCAR fans
feel the same way I do. Every person I've spoken to thinks NASCAR is a joke
right now. I live in the fourth largest market in the U.S. One of the most
listened to sports talk radio stations in the country is here (never
discusses NASCAR though, wonder why?). Since Earnhardt's death, I've been
listening to NASCAR fans call in and desperately trying to convince the
hosts and the public that their sport isn't badly run and basically the WWF
on wheels. They failed miserably. I am in the vast majority with my opinions
on this subject. Maybe not on a newsgroup with NASCAR sim fans, but
definitely within the general public. Others in this thread agree with me as
well. The last thing I'll do is apologize for criticizing a sport which has
had four deaths in nine months.
David G Fisher
> > You knew it was going to happen, and so did I. It happens almost every
> year.
> > Three times last year alone. When you support an activity that you know
> will
> > result in the death of someone, then it's not a tragedy. It's simply
> > disgusting.
> > I keep hearing the phrase, "Death is a part of auto racing, and these
> > drivers understand that but want to do it anyway." Bullshit. It isn't a
> part
> > of all types of auto racing. Just NASCAR. Formula 1 hasn't had a driver
> die
> > since 1994. Before that it was 1982. NASCAR is about beer and crashes.
> > Safety is a science in F1, and their record proves it. They have the top
> > experts in the world in charge of the safety of it's drivers. NASCAR is
a
> > joke and the modern equivalent of the galdiator races.
> > If you support NASCAR, then you support the INEVITABLE death of it's
> > drivers. How the hell are you then sad when one dies? Turns my stomach
> when
> > I read or see the melodramatic tributes to a fan favorite. I LOVE F1,
but
> if
> > the drivers were dying I'd say close it down right now. I have said on
> this
> > newsgroup before that I didn't think the F1 drivers of the '60's as
> modeled
> > in GPL were brave, heroic or "real" drivers because they raced knowing
> death
> > was a real possibility. I think they were simply foolish people who
didn't
> > value their lives very much.
> > There is NO reason why drivers have to die in NASCAR. It's simply a
POORLY
> > run, bush league type of auto racing with fans that apparently don't
TRULY
> > care about the safety of it's drivers. It's an embarrassment. Drivers
> still
> > have the choice of wearing open-faced helmets? Drivers have the choice
to
> > wear a neck brace that obviously could have saved the lives of previous
> dead
> > drivers?
> > If F1 can have such a tremendous safety record, then there is NO excuse
> for
> > NASCAR's terrible one. It's THAT simple.
> > Shut it down or just count the races until the next dead driver is
pulled
> > from his car. Then the people who are in charge of NASCAR, and it's fans
> can
> > once again pay tribute to them.
> > Pathetic.
> > David G Fisher
Wasn't it the Vulkovich grandson?
There were also two other accidents that resulted in life-threatening injuries
(Stan Fox and Alessandro Zampedri (sp?)).
Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.
In the Early part of the '94 season then, DGF, I take it you were
campaigning for F1 to be shut down?
--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash
I think it may have been 1992? :-(
--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash
Why? Have you missed the last three Michigan 500s or something? :)
-
Alan
Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.
David G Fisher
--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
F1: 16 [17] races each season with 20 [22] drivers in each race...
= 374 "drivers" start a race thruout a season... (based on 17 races a
season)
NASCAR: 39 races each season with an average of 40 drivers in each race...
= 1560 "drivers" start a race thruout a season....
Over four times as many drivers start a NASCAR race compared to F1 each
season... so for every NASCAR season you can count 4 years of F1.
ed_
Reckon the rally drivers might have something to say about that....
LOL!!!
> Lame, Dude
BD
>Four dead in NASCAR in the past season + one race this year.
>NASCAR is a badly run auto racing series. F1 is light years ahead of it.
>David G Fisher
>> > If F1 can have such a tremendous safety record, then there is NO excuse
>> for
>> > NASCAR's terrible one. It's THAT simple.
>> Uh LOL sure David everybody is entitled to his opinion, whatever rationale
>> it is.. ;)
>> Did you scream that babbling in 1994 when Senna and Ratzenberger both died
>> the same weekend, when Wendlinger got a severe crash at Monaco, when
>> Barrichello had a death-defying crash from the lack of safety in Imola's
>> track configuration, etc..?
>> Racing is dangerous. People have, are and will continue to be killed or
>> severely injured. Deal with it, or stop watching it.
>> --
>> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
>> -- May the Downforce be with you...
>> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
>> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
>> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
[snip]
I'm from Philly, and you're not telling the whole story.
They don't mention ANY motor racing on WIP because they're die-hard
stick and ball guys. That station is lame, talking about the same
tired ***day-in and day-out. They actually had to get away from an
all-sports format because it was so dry and repetitive nobody could
stand it for more than an hour.
Instead of expanding the sports topics and letting people talk about
racing, they entertain bullshit questions like what you should be
getting your wife for Valentines Day.
They also let Monday morning quarterbacks who can't even form a
complete sentence drone on about Jeff Lurie and the sad-sack Eagles,
but shoot down anyone who tries to mention any type of racing as a
toothless hick.
Tim
