earnhardt will change things in nascar the way senna's death changed them in
F1 ?
> David G Fisher
> > I find it really ridiculous that people are acting as if the death of a
> > NASCAR driver is a tragedy.
> > You knew it was going to happen, and so did I. It happens almost every
> year.
> > Three times last year alone. When you support an activity that you know
> will
> > result in the death of someone, then it's not a tragedy. It's simply
> > disgusting.
> > I keep hearing the phrase, "Death is a part of auto racing, and these
> > drivers understand that but want to do it anyway." Bullshit. It isn't a
> part
> > of all types of auto racing. Just NASCAR. Formula 1 hasn't had a driver
> die
> > since 1994. Before that it was 1982. NASCAR is about beer and crashes.
> > Safety is a science in F1, and their record proves it. They have the top
> > experts in the world in charge of the safety of it's drivers. NASCAR is
a
> > joke and the modern equivalent of the galdiator races.
> > If you support NASCAR, then you support the INEVITABLE death of it's
> > drivers. How the hell are you then sad when one dies? Turns my stomach
> when
> > I read or see the melodramatic tributes to a fan favorite. I LOVE F1,
but
> if
> > the drivers were dying I'd say close it down right now. I have said on
> this
> > newsgroup before that I didn't think the F1 drivers of the '60's as
> modeled
> > in GPL were brave, heroic or "real" drivers because they raced knowing
> death
> > was a real possibility. I think they were simply foolish people who
didn't
> > value their lives very much.
> > There is NO reason why drivers have to die in NASCAR. It's simply a
POORLY
> > run, bush league type of auto racing with fans that apparently don't
TRULY
> > care about the safety of it's drivers. It's an embarrassment. Drivers
> still
> > have the choice of wearing open-faced helmets? Drivers have the choice
to
> > wear a neck brace that obviously could have saved the lives of previous
> dead
> > drivers?
> > If F1 can have such a tremendous safety record, then there is NO excuse
> for
> > NASCAR's terrible one. It's THAT simple.
> > Shut it down or just count the races until the next dead driver is
pulled
> > from his car. Then the people who are in charge of NASCAR, and it's fans
> can
> > once again pay tribute to them.
> > Pathetic.
> > David G Fisher
To me it seems that F1 just had incredible luck during the last years.
That luck can run out any moment - F1 will never be safe, just as
every kind of motorsport I can think of. In fact, simply living isn't
such a safe occupation either not to mention driving any kind of car.
NASCAR is probably much safer than the german Autobahn cause in NASCAR
those guys know what they're doing.
Actually, there were two deaths in 1994 in Winston Cup....Rodney Orr and
Neil Bonnett...
Dave
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Even worse...wine...higher *** percentage...
dave
Luck, schmluck. Since the 70's, never mind earlier, F1 is several
order of magnitudes safer. Almost all of the fatal accidents in the
70's would have been non-fatal with today's safety standards. Just see
the '99 Spa start carnage. If that happened in say 1972 half the field
would have either gotten crushed or burnt to crisps. Or both.
I think we can say, backed up with statistics for the last 20 years,
that NASCAR/CART/Indy/IRL doesn't compare that favourably with F1 with
regards to safety. I personally think it is because of the nature of
oval racing to a large degree.
Logical fallacy, or very odd reasoning. Just because the risk != 0, it
doesn't matter to what degree? Smoke a cigarette and playing russian
roulette, same thing? Thank god the airline industry doesn't go by the
same reasoning.
/Magnus
GPLRank hcp: -41.66
| > (here's a hint- sometimes, people who enjoy F1 also enjoy beer, too. no,
| > really!)
|
|
| Even worse...wine...higher *** percentage...
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| dave
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1986 actually. Remember Elio?
MS
Bart "I'm not worthy" Brown
MS
> | Hey... that's not so bad. If the beer were any good, that is. <g>
> |
> | Jan.
> | =---
> | Don Chapman wrote...
> | > <snip>
> | > Yep, stupid American general public, we have nothing to watch
> | > but Nascar and nothing to drink but beer.
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
Dale killed Dale by not racing and trying to block the field.
> You fail to note how many more miles NASCAR drivers run--in Winston Cup
> alone, let alone the other series. There are many, many more opportunities
> for crashes and injuries.
> Four dead in NASCAR in the past season + one race this year.
> NASCAR is a badly run auto racing series. F1 is light years ahead of it.
> David G Fisher
> > > If F1 can have such a tremendous safety record, then there is NO
excuse
> > for
> > > NASCAR's terrible one. It's THAT simple.
> > Uh LOL sure David everybody is entitled to his opinion, whatever
rationale
> > it is.. ;)
> > Did you scream that babbling in 1994 when Senna and Ratzenberger both
died
> > the same weekend, when Wendlinger got a severe crash at Monaco, when
> > Barrichello had a death-defying crash from the lack of safety in Imola's
> > track configuration, etc..?
> > Racing is dangerous. People have, are and will continue to be killed or
> > severely injured. Deal with it, or stop watching it.
> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise
how
> > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.