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by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:46:39

> I did not want you to apologize for criticizing Nascar. It deserves to be
> scrutinized right now. What I was hoping you would apologize for is the
> crass, rude, insensitive, prejudiced and ultimately sick way you went about
> it. In your post you demeaned Nascar fans, you demeaned Nascar drivers
> living and fallen, and you even managed to demean the early pioneers of all
> forms of motorsport. In my opinion, you demeaned motorsports fans in
> general.

Indeed, I found his words regarding the early pioneers very upsetting
and disrespectful. So for that reason I *sadly* have to place him in my
kill file, he's the only one in it btw.

Does anyone else feel that he went way too far?

Cheers

Gerry

Ps, there's one name missing from the R.A.S Silent Tribute, any guesses
who's?

by **Scott B. Huste** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:16:55

Awesome article!

http://ojr.usc.edu/content/story.cfm?request=540

--
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PA-Scott
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:18:28

>Sorry, for some reason I thought Marcello was 1992. Brayton was 1996.

I stand corrected.

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:18:28

>Everyone in this country thinks the same thing about all motorsport. If you
>believe otherwise, you're an idiot. I had a friend once tell me that I should
>watch F1, because, and I quote, "The crashes are better."

You actually have a friend who thinks that? That's sad(the friend)...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:18:28

>I used to race a motocross bike. 100mph on unfamiliar terrain, with trees 10
>feet to either side of me. No rollcage. I guess my skin was my rollcage.
>Launched myself high in the air, etc. People used to tell me how brave I was
>to do that. I told them there was no bravery involved at all. I was simply
>having foolish fun. Bravery is forcing yourself to do something for the
>greater good, even when you're afraid to do so. I wanted to ride the cycle.
>Race car drivers want to race. They aren't forced to. I realized what I was
>doing was foolish because IMO, all a person is doing when they die while
>"playing" is avoiding a lifetime of responsibilities, and giving up the
>opportunity to counter all the bad there is in this world with their own
>good.

Shit, if everyone avoided things that are dangerous, then we may as well just
sit in front of the TV all day. After all, why take a chance?

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:18:29

>> A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, and probably others raced Indycars well into
>their
>> 50's. Do you have the same feelings about them?

>Paul Newman was in this year's Daytona 24hours and he's into his 70's, my
>dad says you need less sleep as you get older.

Yeah, I didn't think about Newman until later. There's also another driver
near or at 70, but I can't remember which series - IMSA(or whatever replaced
it)?

Eldred
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by **Uncle Feste** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:25:19

> Shit, if everyone avoided things that are dangerous, then we may as well just
> sit in front of the TV all day. After all, why take a chance?

You kidding? That tube could blow & put your eyes out!! <g>

--

Fester

Restrictor plate racing killed Dale Earnhardt.

by **David G Fishe** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:22:12

According to my newsreader, you posted a reply to me in my thread at 2:15
a.m., and then waited a whopping hour and a half until 3:45 a.m. to start
this new thread. Most people do tend to sleep in the middle of the night,
although I am probably an elitist for thinking this way, and my facts are
all wrong.

BTW, I didn't create any mess. When I read something that I honestly feel is
ridiculous (as you and some others claimed my post was), I don't waste my
time responding. Why do you?

David G Fisher

by **Scott B. Huste** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:04:33

Yeah, his concern for NASCAR to start looking at safety. The one item that
was lost in all your other total BS of a post.

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"PA-Scott"
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by **David Ewin** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:49:26

> Straight from Atlas F1(www.atlasf1.com), here is the list of drivers killed
> in Formula One since 1950:

> "Among drivers who participated seriously in Formula One since the modern
> championship began in 1950, the list of those killed in racing cars looks
> something like this: Luigi Fagioli was killed in 1952. Felice Bonetto in
> 1953. Onofre Marimon in 1954. Alberto Ascari in 1955. Louis Rosier in 1956.
> Eugenio Castellotti and Alfonso de Portago in 1957. Peter Collins, Luigi
> Musso and Stewart Lewis-Evans in 1958. Jean Behra in 1959. Harry Schell in
> 1960. Wolfgang von Trips in 1961. Ricardo Rodriguez in 1962. Carel De
> Beaufort in 1964. Lorenzo Bandini in 1967. Jimmy Clark and Mike Spence in
> 1968. Lucien Bianchi and Gerhard Mitter in 1969. Jochen Rindt, Bruce McLaren
> and Piers Courage in 1970. Jo Siffert and Pedro Rodriguez in 1971. Jo
> Bonnier in 1972. Francois Cevert in 1973. Peter Revson and Silvio Moser in
> 1974. Mark Donahue in 1975. Tom Pryce in 1977. Ronnie Peterson in 1978.
> Patrick Depailler in 1980. Gilles Villeneuve and Ricardo Paletti in 1982.
> Elio de Angelis in 1986. Aryton Senna in 1994. Roland Ratzenberger in 1994.
> Nicki Lauda was maimed in a fiery crash, Clay Regazzoni was crippled for
> life, Moss suffered an accident that ended his career and nearly his life."

Don, while I agree with almost everything you have said in your very eloquent
posts throughout this thread, you should re-read the first part of the first
sentence you quote. This is a list of drivers who participated in Formula One
who died "racing cars", not necessarily Formula One cars. For example, Jim
Clark died racing a Formula Two car at Hockenheim, Bruce McLaren died testing
his Can-Am car at Goodwood, Mike Spence died in a sports car race (if
I remember correctly), etc.

Just trying to set the record straight.

Dave Ewing

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David A. Ewing

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by **Barton Brow** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:09:55

> Give the man a Cigar.....

> Hey Bart, nice to hear from you again :-)

Likewise, mon ami mate! And make that cigar a Montecristo, please...

BB

by **David G Fishe** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:12:31

Yeah, and his other point was the total bullshit way of thinking that dying
while racing is ok because he was doing what he likes to do, and that's it's
just part of the sport.

Waltrip said this, "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because
he was doing what he likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a
guy riding down the road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You
don't say) `Well, he was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no
rationale."

I said this, "I keep hearing the phrase, "Death is a part of auto racing,
and these
drivers understand that but want to do it anyway." Bullshit. It isn't a part
of all types of auto racing."

That very prevalent line of thinking among NASCAR fans and the people who
run NASCAR is EXACTLY why I'm so critical of it. Your bullshit replies
showed you have no ability to comprehend.

Understand now, kids?

David G Fisher

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:13:43

You have repeatedly stated you could care less for Nascar, so why do you
even give a flying flip?
I could care less about F1, and couldn't even begin to quote any statistics
for it, including deaths - cause I don't watch it or know the drivers. I
would be saddened to hear of anyone dying in it, but I sure as hell ain't
going to try and start telling F1 fans how their sport is dangerous and
ill-run.
You have no interest in Nascar - give it up, go watch the pansies :)

--
Don Burnette

> Barton always has a lot to say to everybody (I don't mean that he needs
to
> learn how to edit, although that would help too), but I learned long ago
to
> ignore him.

> NASCAR fans can continue to make up statistics to try to defend the sorry
> state of their motor sport, but the facts are that F1 has a much more
> advanced way of handling driver safety than NASCAR. F1 is cutting edge. F1
> has a more advanced way of handling almost everything involved in their
> series compared to NASCAR. They seek out the world's experts on car and
> track safety. They spend millions researching safety. F1 has a 100+ member
> emergency medical crew that travels to each race. F1 has a board of safety
> that deals (surprise) solely with safety issues. F1 inspects each track
> itself, instead of leaving it up to the track owners as in NASCAR.
Extremely
> high high standards must be met or there is no race.

> The above is just general information. Anyone who wants to do some serious
> research into NASCAR and F1 safety is free to do so. They will be amazed
to
> see how much of a difference there is between the two series. They will
> also find out the real reasons why four have died in NASCAR recently, and
> none in F1 in seven years. They will find out that F1 will not tolerate
the
> sh*t that's happened in NASCAR this past year. They will find out that
fans
> of F1 wouldn't tolerate the sh*t that's happening in NASCAR. They will
> understand why, "Death is a part of racing" is such a bullsh*t line, and
> they'll realize what a bush league sport NASCAR is.

> David G Fisher

> > Barton: What do you think the chances are that he'll respond? :)

> > -thinks its one of the best posts he's ever read-
> > Alan

> > >Geeze, David God, the next thing you know you'll be asking the FIA,
ACO,
> > >SCCA, and every <snip all great material>

> > Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
> > "The Last American Hero"
> > R.I.P.

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:16:04

Lol, those pansies would pee their pants if they had to race like that.

--
Don Burnette

> Let me know the next time F1 is at Talladega going through the banked
turns
> at 180mps side by side, nose to tail. Oh that's right.. with the traction
> control and all the other 'drivers aids' (In NASCAR - Driver's aid is
> definined as POWER STEERING <VBG>) and collision detection and speed
control
> systems, that can't happen =P

> Watch the next race that is not at a super speedway and you wont see it ;)

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> PA-Scott
> The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com)

> > >Let me know the next time you see 3 or more F1 cars going "door to
door"
> for
> > >lap after lap.
> > And let me know the next time you see a Winston Cup Car going through
> > Eau Rouge at 180mph...

> > >Hell, let me know the next time the race finishes where the
> > >second place driver can actually see the winner as he takes the
checkered
> > >flag.
> > Hell, let me know the next time a race finishes without the pack being
> > artificially closed up every few laps :-)

> > --
> > Cheers!
> > Graeme Nash

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