rec.autos.simulators

To my American friends

Brandon J. Van Ever

To my American friends

by Brandon J. Van Ever » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:39:28


Lots of patterns can match to lots of things.  Life comes in fragments, we
must not be so quick to judge.

--
Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

People who make personal attacks are useless.
I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

skye

To my American friends

by skye » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:40:59

Even if we didnt do that(we did though), they still had a devasted Hiroshima
to look at to know how serious we were. And we did that to the Japanese for
killing "only" 2100 of our people. Imagine what we'll do to someone that
took out more than 10,000? Could get interesting.

Skye


> I am almost positive I remember that we detonated a much smaller device on
> some island and somehow tried to tell the Japanese that we would do this.
I
> will have to read up on that....




> > > Ah, no.  I think we cheered when they surrendered.  And also, the
> bombing
> > of
> > > Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a ton of lives on both sides if we had to
> > > invade Japan.  Don't forget, the US showed Japan on a remote island
the
> > Nuke
> > > before this happened, and they would not surrender.

> > That's news to me. As far as I know, we only detonated a test bomb in
New
> > Mexico.  I was unaware that the Japanese ever had any kind of first hand
> > demonstration, before Hiroshima.  Of course after Hiroshima they didn't
> > surrender.  After Nagasaki, there was an attempted palace coup by those
> who
> > did not want to surrender.  So I don't agree with your details, but it's
> > clear the Japanese didn't want to surrender.

> > > This is a whole different thing, apples and oranges.

> > It's about as unprovoked an attack as you're going to get when a
> superpower
> > regularly interferes in the affairs of other nations.  In world affairs
we
> > don't sit around peacefully harvesting flowers, but we also don't
inflict
> > (likely) 10,000 civilian deaths in an urban center.  I don't remember
even
> > the Kosovo bombings, which I was opposed to, having anywhere near that
> kind
> > of body count.

> > --
> > Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
> > Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

> > People who make personal attacks are useless.
> > I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

skye

To my American friends

by skye » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:42:51

Oy, you can apply it to almost anything. That's the point of his inane
"predictions". No different than that fat black rasta *** in all those
commercials.

Skye


> i have heard this... not only from nostradomus, but in some scripture
> somewhere too... probably something in the book of mormon used by the
> mormons... hmm... a scary thought. two brothers... TWIN towers... all i
can
> say is holy F***ing S***......





> > > My deepest condolences for the cowardly acts that have been committed
> > > against your country and your citizens.

> > > - a concerned Canadian

> > Likewise from the Asia-Pacific region - all the best to you and your
> > families.

> > This is some scary shit.

> > "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
apart
> > by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb ,
> > The third big war will begin when the big city is burning-

> > Nostradamus  654"

> > Crispin

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

To my American friends

by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:05:34


> > Find them.  Try them, fairly.  Punish them, justly.

> > Let the heavens stand, though justice be done.

> In the midst of anger, confusion and utter disbelief, I am reminded of
> Isaiah 34:8

> "For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold
> Zion's cause."

> Those responsible will be punished, if not by man then absolutely by God.

Yup, more righteous vengeance backed by religous beliefs is what the
world needs.
--
  -asbjxrn
Brandon J. Van Ever

To my American friends

by Brandon J. Van Ever » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:11:28


Which 2100 were those?

--
Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

People who make personal attacks are useless.
I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

Dave Henri

To my American friends

by Dave Henri » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:17:20

  He's referring to the Pearl Harbor casulties in 1941
dave henrie




> > Even if we didnt do that(we did though), they still had a devasted
> Hiroshima
> > to look at to know how serious we were. And we did that to the Japanese
> for
> > killing "only" 2100 of our people. Imagine what we'll do to someone that
> > took out more than 10,000? Could get interesting.

> Which 2100 were those?

> --
> Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
> Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

> People who make personal attacks are useless.
> I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

Brandon J. Van Ever

To my American friends

by Brandon J. Van Ever » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:18:37


Righteous emotionalism aside, what are our options, really?  I don't think
as a nation that we feel sitting back and taking it is one of them.  We do
have to respond, the question is how.  I don't think we should just bomb
something.  We've bombed things before, and it doesn't really do anything.
In Powell Doctrine terms there's no military objective to bombing things,
it's just political speech.

--
Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

People who make personal attacks are useless.
I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

Brandon J. Van Ever

To my American friends

by Brandon J. Van Ever » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:24:46


I don't think it's comparable because a lot more killing happened before
Hiroshima, on both sides.  I can't see Hiroshima as "retalliation" for Pearl
Harbor.  What I can see, is that bombing WTC/Pentagon is a modern Pearl
Harbor.  But who's the enemy?

--
Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

People who make personal attacks are useless.
I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

Fenia

To my American friends

by Fenia » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:35:06

It is not religion that is the cause of these problems, its the people who
thinks they know what God wants and use him as an excuse to do whatever they
want.

I seriously feel that religious leaders should make a stand of what is right
or wrong. then again, the spiritual leaders are usually the leaders of
terrorists cells :(

Dave Henri

To my American friends

by Dave Henri » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:34:55

"Brandon J. Van Every"
(snips)
  Any person or country that supports Terrorism.  Bin Laden should be under
arrest already...Arafat for failing to control the *** in the West Bank
should be held as a conspirator.  Countries such as Afganistan and Pakistan
for supporting Bin Laden should be militarily crippled.  Syria for letting
the Bekaa valley be a haven for terroism.  Iraq for funneling funds to
terrorsists.  The list could go on and on....Cut off Terrorism at the head,
at the feet and everywhere in between.
dave henrie

Arkla

To my American friends

by Arkla » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:37:39

fully agreed. don't just bomb something, take out all those resonseible...
course, we gotta find em first... hmmm...





> > Assuming you FIND and TRY and CONVICT the one (or even the group)
> responsible
> > there is no way this will satisfy the American's craving for "revenge".
> There
> > will have to be vengeance on a city-wide scale to even remotely satisfy
> the
> > ***lust in America right now.  Anyone within a 20mile radius of the
guy
> > responsible (aka ground zero) should start backing away very quickly...

> I wouldn't want revenge, I'd want destruction of the regime responsible.
A
> definite tangible military objective.

> --
> Cheers,                         www.3DProgrammer.com
> Brandon Van Every               Seattle, WA

> People who make personal attacks are useless.
> I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.

Dave Henri

To my American friends

by Dave Henri » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:36:51

  At least I haven't seen a Muslim appologist get on the TV and claim the
religion of Muhamed is one of peace.  That usually happens when a Muslim act
of Terror occurs.  I never beleived it in the past...and I certainly don't
now.
dave henrie


Arkla

To my American friends

by Arkla » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:44:18

i fully agree with you here. releigion can be great, but when wacked out
people think it means more then it does and such, well... we get problems.


Arkla

To my American friends

by Arkla » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:46:22

i was thinking that could be newyokr city itself, or the country.... but the
pentagon... good one.


> I'm not sure about all the crystal-ball stuff (intersting though it is),
but
> there is now a definite, very real threat of WW3. No good can come of
this.

> - Robert

> NB: While your comparing metaphoric similarities: "the fortress endures";
> the Pentagon was hit, but "endures"......



> > i have heard this... not only from nostradomus, but in some scripture
> > somewhere too... probably something in the book of mormon used by the
> > mormons... hmm... a scary thought. two brothers... TWIN towers... all i
> can
> > say is holy F***ing S***......





> > > > My deepest condolences for the cowardly acts that have been
committed
> > > > against your country and your citizens.

> > > > - a concerned Canadian

> > > Likewise from the Asia-Pacific region - all the best to you and your
> > > families.

> > > This is some scary shit.

> > > "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
> apart
> > > by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb ,
> > > The third big war will begin when the big city is burning-

> > > Nostradamus  654"

> > > Crispin

Arkla

To my American friends

by Arkla » Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:47:47

only thing is nostradomus has a cool wiritng style. i like him. that other
chic, shes just odd.


> Oy, you can apply it to almost anything. That's the point of his inane
> "predictions". No different than that fat black rasta *** in all those
> commercials.

> Skye



> > i have heard this... not only from nostradomus, but in some scripture
> > somewhere too... probably something in the book of mormon used by the
> > mormons... hmm... a scary thought. two brothers... TWIN towers... all i
> can
> > say is holy F***ing S***......





> > > > My deepest condolences for the cowardly acts that have been
committed
> > > > against your country and your citizens.

> > > > - a concerned Canadian

> > > Likewise from the Asia-Pacific region - all the best to you and your
> > > families.

> > > This is some scary shit.

> > > "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
> apart
> > > by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb ,
> > > The third big war will begin when the big city is burning-

> > > Nostradamus  654"

> > > Crispin


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