Likewise from the Asia-Pacific region - all the best to you and your
families.
This is some scary shit.
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart
by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb ,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning-
Nostradamus 654"
Crispin
> > Ah, no. I think we cheered when they surrendered. And also, the
bombing
> of
> > Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a ton of lives on both sides if we had to
> > invade Japan. Don't forget, the US showed Japan on a remote island the
> Nuke
> > before this happened, and they would not surrender.
> That's news to me. As far as I know, we only detonated a test bomb in New
> Mexico. I was unaware that the Japanese ever had any kind of first hand
> demonstration, before Hiroshima. Of course after Hiroshima they didn't
> surrender. After Nagasaki, there was an attempted palace coup by those
who
> did not want to surrender. So I don't agree with your details, but it's
> clear the Japanese didn't want to surrender.
> > This is a whole different thing, apples and oranges.
> It's about as unprovoked an attack as you're going to get when a
superpower
> regularly interferes in the affairs of other nations. In world affairs we
> don't sit around peacefully harvesting flowers, but we also don't inflict
> (likely) 10,000 civilian deaths in an urban center. I don't remember even
> the Kosovo bombings, which I was opposed to, having anywhere near that
kind
> of body count.
> --
> Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
> Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
> People who make personal attacks are useless.
> I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.
>> > Innoents were slaughtered. That's all that this attack really meant.
>***
>> > nationalism.
>> Some of the victims are probably survivors of the original Trade Center
>> bombing, too.
>No anger. No fear. No bickering among ourselves. No hatred. No witch
>hunts. No paranoia.
>This is what they want.
>Find them. Try them, fairly. Punish them, justly.
>Let the heavens stand, though justice be done.
--------------------
Sinjin
www.SinjinSolves.com
Your Guide to Success
> > > Innoents were slaughtered. That's all that this attack really meant.
> ***
> > > nationalism.
> > Some of the victims are probably survivors of the original Trade Center
> > bombing, too.
> No anger. No fear. No bickering among ourselves. No hatred. No witch
> hunts. No paranoia.
> This is what they want.
> Find them. Try them, fairly. Punish them, justly.
> Let the heavens stand, though justice be done.
> --
> Jason Shankel
> Maxis/EA
> s h a n k e l "at" p o b o x . c o m
> Play rich, creamery OpenTrek at www.pobox.com/~shankel/opentrek.html
> "This is very dangerous -- look how large those *** ***es are."
> Chief Yim Symany, Phnom Pehn Police Dept.
> > I just woke up a few hours ago and heard the news. I was in shock.
> > The saddest part is the people on the airplanes and in the buildings,
> > especially the hijacking, which was truely cowardly. So many people in
> > other countries hate the US for its policies, especially in the
> middle-east
> > towards Israel. Well, alot of Americans can't influence policy at the
> drop
> > of a hat, and not all Americans are anti-Palestinian, I certainly bet
most
> > of the innocent people who died in this cowardly act bore no ill-will.
> Why
> > can't people just get along, put the hate, nationalist jingo aside...
Some
> > of the greatest evil in the world comes from the mouth of religion, and
> > patriotism is often the virtue of a coward.
> > Time to stop state support of Israel has to end, time to stop
bleeding
> > for a cause most Americans don't give a shit about. If they want to
kill
> > each other, fine, but American shouldn't be involved. Oh, I don't think
> > much of the Palesltinian leadership either... we are talking about folks
> > that think its ok to teach kids to become human bombs.
> > I hope there is some kind of retaliation. I don't think we should
"wipe
> > them all out", but some kind of military response is called for.
> Personally, from the P.O.V of an outsider looking in, you've really gotta
> look at one of the constant themes behind these disgusting acts.
> 'religion'
> Whether is be in the 'name of Allah' or the 'name of God' - how many
> atrocities have been committed in 'his' name over the years?
> Perhaps eliminating the basis of such fervent fanaticism would be a good
> place to start....
> Crispin
> > My deepest condolences for the cowardly acts that have been committed
> > against your country and your citizens.
> > - a concerned Canadian
> Likewise from the Asia-Pacific region - all the best to you and your
> families.
> This is some scary shit.
> "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart
> by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb ,
> The third big war will begin when the big city is burning-
> Nostradamus 654"
> Crispin
> > > Ah, no. I think we cheered when they surrendered. And also, the
> bombing
> > of
> > > Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a ton of lives on both sides if we had to
> > > invade Japan. Don't forget, the US showed Japan on a remote island
the
> > Nuke
> > > before this happened, and they would not surrender.
> > That's news to me. As far as I know, we only detonated a test bomb in
New
> > Mexico. I was unaware that the Japanese ever had any kind of first hand
> > demonstration, before Hiroshima. Of course after Hiroshima they didn't
> > surrender. After Nagasaki, there was an attempted palace coup by those
> who
> > did not want to surrender. So I don't agree with your details, but it's
> > clear the Japanese didn't want to surrender.
> > > This is a whole different thing, apples and oranges.
> > It's about as unprovoked an attack as you're going to get when a
> superpower
> > regularly interferes in the affairs of other nations. In world affairs
we
> > don't sit around peacefully harvesting flowers, but we also don't
inflict
> > (likely) 10,000 civilian deaths in an urban center. I don't remember
even
> > the Kosovo bombings, which I was opposed to, having anywhere near that
> kind
> > of body count.
> > --
> > Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
> > Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
> > People who make personal attacks are useless.
> > I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.
> >> > And crowds in Palestein cheered.
> >> Do you have a credible news source for that?
> >NBC showed footage of them parading through the streets flashing victory
> >signs. Sick.
> We cheered when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> -Tim
--
smr
My small book on Nostradamus must be incomplete, 'cuz I don't see any
numbers that range in the hundreds for his quatrains -- if the "Century"
categories mark the hundreds, I suppose that could be #54 in the sixth
century -- which is not listed (this book omits much). And in the index
under the entry for WW3, there's no reference to this quatrain. But there
is another quatrain that looks possibly relavent -- Century 8 Quatrain 77:
The Antichrist quickly annihilates three
Twenty-seven years of *** will last his war
The heretics dead, captive or exiled
***y corpses, water red, covering the earth
I hope that's not what we're headed for, but the first line seems to hit it
dead on. The attack came very quickly. There were four planes, but only 3
hit targets.
... not to imply that I've accepted prophesy as scientific -- just a
relavent note in response to this. In fact this particular interpretation
I'm reading suggests that the number 3 refers to countries or hostages
> > Nostradamus 654"
> My small book on Nostradamus must be incomplete, 'cuz I don't see any
> numbers that range in the hundreds for his quatrains -- if the "Century"
> categories mark the hundreds, I suppose that could be #54 in the sixth
> century -- which is not listed (this book omits much). And in the index
> under the entry for WW3, there's no reference to this quatrain. But there
> is another quatrain that looks possibly relavent -- Century 8 Quatrain 77:
> The Antichrist quickly annihilates three
> Twenty-seven years of *** will last his war
> The heretics dead, captive or exiled
> ***y corpses, water red, covering the earth
> I hope that's not what we're headed for, but the first line seems to hit
it
> dead on. The attack came very quickly. There were four planes, but only
3
> hit targets.
> ... not to imply that I've accepted prophesy as scientific -- just a
> relavent note in response to this. In fact this particular interpretation
> I'm reading suggests that the number 3 refers to countries or hostages
Some extracts from an interview with Leo Szilard, one of the developers of
the A-Bomb.
From: http://www.peak.org/~danneng/decision/usnews.html
Q Would a demonstration have been feasible?
A It is easy to see, at least in retrospect, how an effective demonstration
could have been staged. We could have communicated with Japan through
regular diplomatic channels - say, through Switzerland - and explained to
the Japanese that we didn't want to kill anybody, and therefore proposed
that one city - say, Hiroshima - be evacuated. Then one single bomber would
come and drop one single bomb.
-- Dr. Leo Szilard, 62, is a Hungarian-born physicist who helped persuade
President Roosevelt to launch the A-bomb project and who had a major share
in it. In 1945, however, he was a key figure among the scientists opposing
use of the bomb. Later he turned to biophysics, and this year was awarded
the Einstein medal for "outstanding achievement in natural sciences." --
----
The Truman Speech, August 9, 1945
From: http://www.dannen.com/decision/hst-ag09.html
In a radio speech to the nation on August 9, 1945, President Truman called
Hiroshima "a military base." It seems likely, considering his July 25 diary
entry, that he was not aware that Hiroshima was a city. Otherwise, he was
being untruthful about the nature of the target.
"The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a
military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid,
insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a
warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to
be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian
lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities
immediately, and save themselves from destruction."
Truman delivered his speech from the White House at 10 P.M. Washington time
on August 9, 1945. By this time, a second atomic bomb already had destroyed
the city of Nagasaki. Because of the great length of the speech, most of
which dealt with Germany, only the relevant paragraph is quoted here.
----
I found the above and some other interesting information here:
http://www.dannen.com/decision/
- Robert
> > > Ah, no. I think we cheered when they surrendered. And also, the
> bombing
> > of
> > > Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a ton of lives on both sides if we had to
> > > invade Japan. Don't forget, the US showed Japan on a remote island
the
> > Nuke
> > > before this happened, and they would not surrender.
> > That's news to me. As far as I know, we only detonated a test bomb in
New
> > Mexico. I was unaware that the Japanese ever had any kind of first hand
> > demonstration, before Hiroshima. Of course after Hiroshima they didn't
> > surrender. After Nagasaki, there was an attempted palace coup by those
> who
> > did not want to surrender. So I don't agree with your details, but it's
> > clear the Japanese didn't want to surrender.
> > > This is a whole different thing, apples and oranges.
> > It's about as unprovoked an attack as you're going to get when a
> superpower
> > regularly interferes in the affairs of other nations. In world affairs
we
> > don't sit around peacefully harvesting flowers, but we also don't
inflict
> > (likely) 10,000 civilian deaths in an urban center. I don't remember
even
> > the Kosovo bombings, which I was opposed to, having anywhere near that
> kind
> > of body count.
> > --
> > Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
> > Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
> > People who make personal attacks are useless.
> > I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.
- Robert
NB: While your comparing metaphoric similarities: "the fortress endures";
the Pentagon was hit, but "endures"......
> > > My deepest condolences for the cowardly acts that have been committed
> > > against your country and your citizens.
> > > - a concerned Canadian
> > Likewise from the Asia-Pacific region - all the best to you and your
> > families.
> > This is some scary shit.
> > "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
apart
> > by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb ,
> > The third big war will begin when the big city is burning-
> > Nostradamus 654"
> > Crispin
I wouldn't want revenge, I'd want destruction of the regime responsible. A
definite tangible military objective.
--
Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
People who make personal attacks are useless.
I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.
this.
I dunno about that. The responsible party would have to have a defense
treaty with someone, and there are places, such as Iraq, that are so
irresponsible that their neighbors mignt not mind seeing them overrun by the
West. Iraq would be good because we know we can do something about it.
Afghanistan would be awful, the USSR went bankrupt fighting over there.
--
Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
People who make personal attacks are useless.
I killfile them no matter who they are insulting.
