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OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

Joe M

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Joe M » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:47:24

I'm posting to my two favorite sim groups after seeing that Serious Sam (a
PC shooter) is $49.99 US for the Xbox.  I think this explains why so many
game publishers and developers are clamoring to capture a share of the
console market and abandoning (temporarily) niche PC markets.

Serious Sam is an 18 months old PC game that sold for $19.99 from DAY ONE on
the PC (it currently sells for $6.99).  Yes, $19.99 was it's HIGHEST price
ever.  The sequel, Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, was released a few
months ago and sold for $19.99.  Serious Sam represented a simple, fun, good
looking shooter.  It may lack the depth and length of $40-50 PC shooters,
but at $20 it was a well priced value.

I choked on my morning coffee when I stumbled upon the $49.99 pre-order
price for an old PC port than never sold for more than 20 bucks and could be
bought today on the PC for about the cost of a Star Bucks Venti Caramel
Macchiato and 2 Krispy Kreme donuts.  This partly explains why Papyrus is
going console, the West Bros. couldn't get WSC published (Total Immersion
Racing is a $50 Xbox title that WSC "coulda' been"), Falcon 5 will never see
the light of day, etc.

I'm not claiming this is the death of our hobby (flight/racing).  It is
another frustrating obstacle that will reduce the frequency and quantity of
PC simulations.

PS-I'm also warning Xbox owners to save $43 and buy SS for the PC.  It will
run on a fairly old system so don't worry about hardware requirements.

--
Joe Marques

Larr

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Larr » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:00:28

If what you propose is correct, then the PC is in serious trouble.

It's no secret that the high-end side of the PC industry is totally game
driven.  If the desire for PC *** whithers, then one has to wonder what
will become of the PC itself...

-Larry


Krofu

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Krofu » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:59:15

In my expereince, I have found that pre-orders are just stamped at $49.99.
Once the product was released, then the price was dropped. I've pre-ordered
a couple of games this way and that has been the case. The games I ordered
dropped to $34.99 when released, different than the pre-order price given.

Not sure if this is the way it works or not, just an observation.


Scott

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Scott » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:27:20


 Actually, Serious Sam for the Xbox is both versions of the game.

Scott B. Huste

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Scott B. Huste » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:22:51

I also think the development costs for a game for a console(s) is cheaper
because you only have 2 or 3 configurations maximum to worry about.

With PC games, I would think, you have all the worries about drivers and
compatibility issues.

That being said, I haven't owned a console since the original Sega Genesis.

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MadDAW

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by MadDAW » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:55:31

N64 here.

The girlfriend liked Zelda.

MadDAWG

MiGMa

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by MiGMa » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:13:15

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Simon Robbin

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Simon Robbin » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:54:39


Placed into a square case with Microsoft stamped on the outside...

Si

callsignvipe

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by callsignvipe » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:58:55




> > I'm posting to my two favorite sim groups after seeing that Serious Sam
(a
> > PC shooter) is $49.99 US for the Xbox.  I think this explains why so
many
> > game publishers and developers are clamoring to capture a share of the
> > console market and abandoning (temporarily) niche PC markets.

> > Serious Sam is an 18 months old PC game that sold for $19.99 from DAY
ONE on
> > the PC (it currently sells for $6.99).  Yes, $19.99 was it's HIGHEST
price
> > ever.  The sequel, Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, was released a few
> > months ago and sold for $19.99.  Serious Sam represented a simple, fun,
good
> > looking shooter.  It may lack the depth and length of $40-50 PC
shooters,
> > but at $20 it was a well priced value.

>  Actually, Serious Sam for the Xbox is both versions of the game.

(snip)

From Babbage's website: Serious Sam Gold (XBox) = $49.99 with ETA 12
November 2002.

From Babbage's website: Serious Sam Gold (PC) = $29.99 with ETA 21 January
2003.

From Babbage's website: Serious Sam (Original(PC)) = $6.99 available now.

Why would I pay $30 OR $50 when I can buy BOTH games (PC version) for under
$22 ($6.99 (SS1) + $14.99 (SS2))? Actually I think I bought both versions
when they were on sale for $9.99 each (several months apart, of course) so
it was slightly less than $20.

Makes me wonder about the mentality of the average console game buyer. Have
they no concept of bargain hunting and/or simply refusing to pay exorbitant
prices for products?

--
callsignviper

The truth is out there. You just have to look in the right places and ask
the right questions.

Dave Coo

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Dave Coo » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:00:17




> > If the desire for PC *** whithers, then one has to wonder what
> > will become of the PC itself...

> Placed into a square case with Microsoft stamped on the outside...

> Si

Yeah, it's called the XBox.  Didn't Uwe say someone is running Unix on one
already?

- Dave

Dave Coo

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Dave Coo » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:04:47


Heh.  The only concept is how they can get mom or dad to whip out the credit
card.

- Dave

Dusty Rhode

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Dusty Rhode » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:10:05

LMAO, Well I look at the prices I paid for the sims I had to pay for and I
agree.  UNTIL........I look at the thousands of dollars I have spent to
upgrade my computer and peripherals in the name of flight simming.  Now who
is the intelligent one?  LOL

Dusty Rhodes

magnulu

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by magnulu » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:18:30





> Makes me wonder about the mentality of the average console game buyer.
Have
> they no concept of bargain hunting and/or simply refusing to pay
exorbitant
> prices for products?

  Some console gamers don't have a PC capable of playing those kinds of
games.

  I have a PS2, but I pretty much keep it around just to play Japanese games
(Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo 3) and occasionally a fighting or lightgun
game.  For any game that's available on the PC, I get the PC version because
it's usually cheaper and will look better on a monitor.

Positive

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Positive » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:48:36

Consoles are not "Killing Sims" IMO and please enough of the "us versus
them" mentality.

The average console gamer is reported to be 27, so asking for money from mom
at that age would be quite sad.   Not sure where that stat came from, but
I've seen it several times.

I would imagine that the 'smart' console gamer would A) First rent the game,
then B) make a purchasing decision based on that.  Depending on the console
they'll probably go right to Z) Burn it!

If they decide to buy, they tend to pay more (well at least for Xbox games)
for new releases.   1 year old Xbox games are around 1/3rd to cost of new
(example PGR and Azurik, etc).

Now keep in mind that the console games "system" probably cost 1/5th to
1/10th that of the PC gamers.

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: > Makes me wonder about the mentality of the average console game buyer.
Have
: > they no concept of bargain hunting and/or simply refusing to pay
exorbitant
: > prices for products?
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: Heh.  The only concept is how they can get mom or dad to whip out the
credit
: card.
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: - Dave
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Goy Larse

OT: Why Consoles are Killing Sims (for now)

by Goy Larse » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:24:51


> Yeah, it's called the XBox.  Didn't Uwe say someone is running Unix on one
> already?

There is some sort of competition going on about installing Linux on it,
can't remember the particulars though, was some restrictions as to how
much you could modify it

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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