rec.autos.simulators

Milhouse

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Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

The last game I bought for XBox was Sega GT 2002, along with the Mad Catz
MC2 wheel setup (nice wheel, btw).  From the time I got home with the
goods to the time I was playing the game with the wheel working perfectly
was just about 10 minutes flat.  You can't do that sort of thing on a
PC at all.  If you put a wheel on a PC then you get to install the drivers,
play 20 questions with "Install Shield", and then you get to do the same
thing with the new game.  Moreover, there's no guarantee that the game will
even work with that peripheral after you've spent the better part of an
hour jumping through hoops.

I quit PC *** long ago.  The last PC game I ever bought was Duke Nukem3D,
and after fighting with that game for days trying to tweak every setting
just right, something snapped.  I bit my lip, tasted *** and promptly
smashed my keyboard (I hated that keyboard anyway).  I will not ever fight
to make my entertainment work again.  I want entertainment that works for
ME, not the other way around.

Every other form of entertainment gives immediate gratification.

Would anyone put up with a music CD that ran Install Shield?  HECK NO!
Would anyone put up with a movie DVD that installed drivers?  HECK NO!
Most folks don't even like renting videotapes that haven't been rewound.
Console games are part of the same line of reasoning.  Put them in and
they work just like they're supposed to, no muss, no fuss, no grief.

It's PC gamers who are the nutcases paying for recreation and bringing
home aggravation.  I don't call that any bargain at all.  You save your
$20, PC gamers.  You'll be needing that money for therapy.

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Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

  So what you are saying is that console gamers are lazy and/or retarded?

  I can't remember the last time I had any big problems with my computer
getting games to run.  It must have been over a year ago.  All that stuff
you are brining up is old, tired arguements.

<snip history of problems running PC games>

Nukem3D,

LOL well no wonder all you can recount are horror stories of playing PC
games, ROFL! You might want to consider waking up to the 21st century and
trying out the 8 or 9 versions of Windows that have come out since then.
Life is pretty good on the PC *** side now. Sheesh. (rolls eyes)

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Bob Perez

"Men do not quit playing because they grow old; they grow old because they
quit playing."
- Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

Hmm, I've gotten about 98% of the games I buy(and I buy a LOT) to work with no
problem.  The other 2% don't give me enough trouble to want to give upon the
whole platform.  Oh well - your choice.

Eldred
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No, I don't want to fill out a survey.
No, I don't want to register online.
No, I don't want to install Adobe Acrobat reader.
No, I don't want to receive e-mail offers.
No, I don't want to get a trial subscription to a sucky magazine.

I WANT TO PLAY THE DAMNED GAME!  Is that too much to ask?  I want to
take the disc, put it in the drive, and PLAY.  It's such a simple
request.  Consoles have been doing that for over a decade now, but
can PC's do that?  NO!  They insist on pissing me off.

That's total B.S.
I just bought a new monitor (plug and pray, hehehe) for my new PC.  The
MONITOR (Viewsonic) came with an install disc.  This is SEVEN YEARS after
Windows 95 promised Plug-and-Play, and EASY things like VGA monitors still
come with driver discs.  Even worse, the "autorun" didn't even work.
Apparently Windows XP is such an upgrade that silly things like autobooting
discs are a thing of the past.  I had to look at the autorun file to see
which program the damned install wanted to run, run it, and then I had to
know that Windows XP is basically a sequel to Windows 2000 which is basically
a sequel to Windows NT.  Otherwise I wouldn't have known to grab the drivers
for NT.  THAT SUCKS.  Plus it had to restart the machine.  That's PATHETIC.

I'm not technologically illiterate.  Far from it, I'm a telecommunications
field technician and I'm used to fighting with broken machines all the time
(and winning), but I get PAID to do that because it's work.  I don't want to
do that when I'm trying to PLAY.

If a console game worked like that the console wouldn't sell worth beans.
It's unbelievable.  I can put a game into my Sega Saturn running a Hitachi
SH2 at 28 Mhz and be playing in less than a minute.  I can't get this
stupid AthlonXP2000+ (supposedly better than a Pentium 4 2Ghz) to do
anything new that quickly, and it's SUPPOSED to be 70 times faster?  I sure
don't see it.  PC's are junkpiles next to consoles, because they're so
bogged down by all their crapola that they don't get the *** to the road.
It's like driving a Ferrari on metal rims.  It doesn't matter what's under
the hood if the power ain't getting to the user.

--
Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

This is 2002.  Windows 95 was supposed to fix all of that.  Yeah, there
has been 8 or 9 versions of Windows since then, and I've used most of
'em.  There's not supposed to BE any installation anymore.  So why does
everything still come with installation discs?  It's pathetic.

I can honestly say that I've never had a console game ask me if I wanted
a full or a custom install.  They tend to say "Press Start".
I've never had a console say "new hardware detected, would you like to
install drivers for it?".  That is bar none the stupidest damned question
ever.  It's not there for the LOOKS, you dumb freaking box!  For a console
to match that stupidity, it would have to say "new game detected, would
you like to play it?".

PLAY IT!  JUST GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT!  There's nothing that pushes my
buttons like stupidity.  If it's THERE, it's because I put it THERE,
so I want it THERE.  Is that logic too hard to follow?  Why can't a
PC get that?  Consoles do.  My Xbox doesn't ask about new hardware when
I plug in the joystick for a few rounds of DOA3.  It just does it.

I hate PC's.  Inefficient pieces of ***get beat all to hell by
consoles with less than a quarter of their power.

--
Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

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Lange,
666th Black Brigade
http://www.666th.com
ICQ: 15439346

But that's the glory of PC's. It's designed that way, to get more
progress, but at a bigger cost.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

...

I have both, and they both have their place. PC's for a kind of games
(like racing) and consoles for other types of games (jump & run).
The consoles are great since they're less fuss, and they play on my TV
while I sit on my couch.
The PC is nicer when it comes to more cutting edge stuff; it's more
flexible, but also it gives more headaches when trying to get a game
to run as you want.

It's the same as having an oven and a microwave. Or is that a bad
example? ;-)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

 > Does your console run Office programs?

Silly me, I run those at the office.  That's why they're Office programs.

 > Does your console run drawing programs?

If it weren't for taking screenshots of error messages at work, I could
honestly say that I've never run Paint in the last five years.

 > Does your console run music programs?

Silly me, I have a stereo system to play music the old-fashioned way.
I even play 8-tracks on it.  Music programs can't do that.

 > Does your console run wordprocessers?

I see that your spell check is running fabulously.  I don't WANT a
word processor for a toy.

 > Does your console run database programs?

Actually, yeah, they do.  That's how they manage game saves.

 > Does your console run mail programs?

No, there's a mailbox on my porch which handles my mail needs.
There's a whole bunch of nice people in the Post Office to do
that.  The PC is just a source of spam.

 > Does your console run video editing programs?

Oh, there's something I do every day <sarcasm>.  Who in the
heck runs video editing programs for home use?  Other than
kiddie *** there's no real purpose for it.

Which is exactly what I want.  The RIGHT tool for the RIGHT
job.  That's what consoles are.

If it was just hooking them up, I wouldn't be bothered.  It's the
seemingly endless patches, registrations, and configurations that
rip the fun right out of anything associated with a PC.

I don't deny that this is a PC.  I'm about to shoot the damned thing
with my classic 1962 J.C. Higgins Model 20 12-Gauge shotgun if it comes
up with one more error message or another stupid question trying to***
ME OFF.  This is NOT a "little effort".  I had my Xbox playing games
inside of 10 minutes of opening the console's package.  You can't get a
PC to do that on a bet to save your life.

That's because you have to ask "if".  There's no "if" in console
***.  It's going to run, no "if" about it.  I don't like "if".
Like Yoda said, "There is no Try.  There is only Do, or Do Not".
To Hell with "if".  I don't play with "if".  My world is black
and white, and I don't accept maybe's or if's or try's.  It works
or it doesn't.  "IF" is the same as "doesn't" in my house.

Simpler is the bailiwick of the console.  There's no good reason to
game on a PC.  It's like racing garbage trucks.  They're great at
getting garbage, but they suck for most anything else.

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Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

Eldred
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